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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
47
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Posted - 2016.09.29 16:31:26 -
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Seraphim Risen wrote:I live in Tartoken, sweetheart. The Federation is always welcoming of new citizens!
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2016.09.29 17:07:15 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:I live in Tartoken, sweetheart. The Federation is always welcoming of new citizens! Even criminals and terrorists?
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
47
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Posted - 2016.09.29 17:41:27 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:I live in Tartoken, sweetheart. The Federation is always welcoming of new citizens! Even criminals and terrorists? And to some they are freedom fighters.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2398
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:01:17 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:A few years ago, I tried to arrange an assassination of one of the Tribal chiefs. I think that MiniLuv tried to hit the Starkmanir one, but I'd have to go look. Not only did Goonswarm make the attempt, they exposed that CONCORD was illegally letting the Minmatar use their shielding technology, which is why the assassination attempt failed. (Sorry, Arrendis.)
Don't apologize. A target's a target, and it would've been splashy as hell. Would I have been pissed off if you'd succeeded? Probably. I might even have headed home to start working on some sort of retribution strike. But you didn't, and just trying it is Goony as feck. Difference is, nobody in CONDI is out there owing fealty to the Republic, or to the Tribal Chiefs. The Matari in the swarm? We're not part of the power structure. A holder is, however minorly. Just the attempt places her in a position where she cannot be loyal to both sides of the conflict. The Republic likely would've branded us all criminals if you'd succeeded. But they forgive that sort of thing with a bit of work.
The Empire doesn't seem the sorts to be forgiving of associating with those who attempt regicide.
Jaret Victorian wrote:Idealistic idiot? Funny to read that from you, Alizabeth. I heard you had some sort of breakdown, perhaps a prayer and a calm evening in church will help with that?
She's not the one who had the breakdown.
She's also not the one who has to worry about HoleSquad's leash being slipped in a bunch of very specific C2 systems. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
537
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:23:59 -
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Look at you, having a finger in every pie, as if some sort of an ultimate spymaster.
The "supervillain" bravado is getting old, Arrendis. I almost imagined you in a chair, striking a feline, staring at a screen.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
901
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:25:40 -
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Careful now, Mr. Victorian. ARC and I parted ways on more or less amicable terms. I would hate for you to change that. I did say you could have been a naif. If the shoe fits, you must wear it.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
537
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:27:05 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Careful now, Mr. Victorian. ARC and I parted ways on more or less amicable terms. I would hate for you to change that. I did say you could have been a naif. If the shoe fits, you must wear it. I see when people try to manipulate me. Please don't.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
321
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:00:10 -
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I don't know, it seems Mr Booly should give more open and definitive answer. After 4th or 5th time who would have any doubt that he personally don't care, just saying. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:09:02 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:I live in Tartoken, sweetheart. The Federation is always welcoming of new citizens! Even criminals and terrorists? And to some they are freedom fighters. And? That doesn't make them even iota better.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2398
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:11:02 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Look at you, having a finger in every pie, as if some sort of an ultimate spymaster.
The "supervillain" bravado is getting old, Arrendis. I almost imagined you in a chair, striking a feline, staring at a screen.
Not a finger in every pie, Victorian. Not even close. Just a keen appreciation of how much fun some of my compatriots would get out of blowing up those Basilisks. Do you think for one moment that they wouldn't? Do you think they'd have any problems doing it? It's one thing when you've got one of our along to keep you safe. It's quite another once you start taking cheap shots at her in public. |
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8700
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:46:07 -
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This discussion has veered rather far from its topic. Shall we return to it?
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Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
125
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Posted - 2016.09.29 20:04:05 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:I don't know, it seems Mr Booly should give more open and definitive answer. After 4th or 5th time who would have any doubt that he personally don't care, just saying.
Open and definitive answer to what?
Never not badpost.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2016.09.29 20:04:54 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:This discussion has veered rather far from its topic. Shall we return to it?
Gladly. |
Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
47
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:05:15 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote: And? That doesn't make them even iota better.
My point is, what you think of as "Terrorists" (IE Minmatar rebelling), others see as freedom fighters, including me. So yes, it does make them better than your description.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:17:49 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote: And? That doesn't make them even iota better.
My point is, what you think of as "Terrorists" (IE Minmatar rebelling), others see as freedom fighters, including me. So yes, it does make them better than your description. I can call them terrorists, I can call them freedom fighters. It changes nothing and sounds almost the same. Just terrorist is shorter to say: one word instead of two. Both of definitions are right, but neither of these definitions will make them sound as good people.
Both 'terrorist' and 'freedom fighter' mean that they are sinners, mass-murderers and warmongers, who don't value people lives.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:43:29 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:I can call them terrorists, I can call them freedom fighters. It changes nothing and sounds almost the same. Just terrorist is shorter to say: one word instead of two. Both of definitions are right, but neither of these definitions will make them sound as good people.
Both 'terrorist' and 'freedom fighter' mean that they are sinners, mass-murderers and warmongers, who don't value people lives.
It would seem you fail to understand how the two terms play in the rest of the cluster. Or, really, what the two terms even actually mean.
A 'terrorist' is someone who engages in violence in order to cause fear and public panic, so that pressure is applied to meet their political demands. They commonly attack non-combatants and civilian populations whose only connection to, or ability to respond to those demands, is the political pressure they can exert. An example would be if a bunch of Gallente started detonating explosives in the middle of civilian populations on Amarr stations of in Amarr cities, with a stated goal of forcing the Empire to abandon its alliance with the State.
A 'freedom fighter', by contrast, is one who engages in violence in order to promote the self-determination of a population or segments of a population, normally his own, who do not have self-determination under the current order. This is generally seen as a beneficial goal, even among the majority of the State's political class, who understand that the words 'freedom' and 'chaos' are not, in fact, synonyms, and recognize that the Caldari State's war against the Federation began as a war for self-determination.
While many 'freedom fighters' resort to terrorism in their struggle, it's also entirely possible for 'freedom fighters' to limit their activities to legitimate military targetsGÇöwhich includes heads of State, especially when on a military vessel surrounded by their military honor guard. In fact, as most 'freedom fighters' oppose a significantly more militarily powerful force, if they do conduct legitimate asymmetric warfare without engaging in terrorist activities, the reason for those tactics is that they specifically do put a high value on individual lives, and take great pains to avoid civilian casualtiesGÇömilitary casualties, of course, even in an asymmetric war, are not 'murders'. Moreover, in these situations, they will often have exhausted the political options they believe are reasonable, and generally have a very public, accessible, and highly subjective piece of documentation that lays out the steps taken to resolve the situation peacefully, and makes the case for why the status quo is an oppressive system. This documentation, which will be as easily available as they can make it, will also explain why the (subjectively, at least) oppressive system is tantamount to a declaration of war on the part of those in power.
'Sinner', of course, is an entirely subjective determination, made by those in a position of authority over your religionGÇöat least until such time as it can be proven to be a direct determination made by God. That, however, would first require God himself be proven to exist. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
667
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:48:13 -
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I have a different question. It seems to me that Lady Seraphim Risen has gone from "someone mildly pro-Amarr" to "someone who attempts to assassinate the Amarr Empress" all at once with no particularly satisfying explanation given for this change. Might we request such an explanation? I mean, it is not as if the Amarr Empire is much less opposed the the ideals of Rote Kapelle this week as it was last week, no? |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:00:45 -
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I was just going to assume she's lost her mind and any explanation is not worth the effort of figuring out. Such as with you.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
183
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:01:27 -
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Capsuleer Dementia? |
Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
125
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:04:33 -
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Perhaps its because few have ever actually talked to me about my beliefs over the last six to nine months? I'll keep that to myself, though. Am I mad? Probably. Am I unstable? Most likely.
Never not badpost.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:11:10 -
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Probably because your beliefs are not valid if they lead you to something like this. Someone might have listened before this betrayal, but not now.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
667
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:18:45 -
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Seraphim Risen wrote:Perhaps its because few have ever actually talked to me about my beliefs over the last six to nine months? I'll keep that to myself, though. Am I mad? Probably. Am I unstable? Most likely.
I'm sorry that I wasn't around to ask you about your beliefs, madam. You sound lonely. I hope you get your sanity and stability back. |
Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
38
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:18:54 -
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Arrendis wrote:This is generally seen as a beneficial goal, even among the majority of the State's political class, who understand that the words 'freedom' and 'chaos' are not, in fact, synonyms, and recognize that the Caldari State's war against the Federation began as a war for self-determination. Excuse me for intervening into your discussion with Ms. Hanaya, but on other hand it doesn't matter much since you yourself built your whole reply on a Caldari State - a topic that I have been researching for several years, trying to get their citizenship, and a topic which I assume has nothing to do with Ms. Hanaya's reply.
And as someone who actually did some background study about the State, I simply can't stand obvious disinformation you include in your reply. Namely - your sentence that I have quoted. I have given you already a thorough reply how freedom and chaos in official Napanii language are polyseme (no, not a synonym) here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6655065#post6655065 And I am utterly disappointed you still failed to understand it. Synonyms are multiple words with a single meaning, while a polyseme is a single word with multiple meanings. I bet you reference them as 'synonyms' after Diana's speeches (who unfortunately loves speaking about freedom because of her political inclination, causing a lot of unnecessary confusion and misunderstanding) , but that only shows that you have failed to understand that trivial linguistic phenomenon. And it makes it twice worse that you failed to understand it even after the explanation.
There are a lot of other languages in the State, and while most of them are derivatives of ancient Caldari, modern speakers of Caldari dialects from different regions won't even understand each other. But these dialects are considered 'street' languages, which you don't speak in high society. Thus, we could make assumption that actually State's political class speaks on Napanii to show their affiliation with elites and educated class, and therefore we can expect that speakers from State's political class won't distinguish words 'chaos' and 'freedom' as well.
On the other hand, they could speak 'street'-level language, but then it won't be State's political class, but rather State's marginal class that loves to banter about political events. Unfortunately, I haven't studied them that deep and know words for 'chaos' and 'freedom' only from the official Napanii language - 'vaajpa'. But since you have been claiming otherwise, maybe you will actually show that you have something behind your reply rather than trivial attempt at trolling and show us that unlike me you know some dialects of native Caldari languages.
Please tell us, what are words for 'freedom' and 'chaos' in the dialect of Caldari language that you were referencing?
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Seraphim Risen
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
125
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:27:34 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Probably because your beliefs are not valid if they lead you to something like this. Someone might have listened before this betrayal, but not now.
Mine wasn't the first betrayal.
Nauplius wrote:Seraphim Risen wrote:Perhaps its because few have ever actually talked to me about my beliefs over the last six to nine months? I'll keep that to myself, though. Am I mad? Probably. Am I unstable? Most likely. I'm sorry that I wasn't around to ask you about your beliefs, madam. You sound lonely. I hope you get your sanity and stability back.
I'm far from lonely! I have voices! In my head! Not really, but its an old joke.
Never not badpost.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1378
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:31:26 -
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Beliefs not being valid due to them causing violence......... Pretty sure my ancestors would have something to say on that regard. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:40:31 -
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I never said her beliefs were not valid due to them causing violence.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:42:08 -
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Mika Firestorm wrote:I have given you already a thorough reply how freedom and chaos in official Napanii language are polyseme (no, not a synonym) here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6655065#post6655065 And I am utterly disappointed you still failed to understand it. [. . .] Please tell us, what are words for 'freedom' and 'chaos' in the dialect of Caldari language that you were referencing?
I understand it just fine. I also understand a minor detail you seem to overlook: We're not using Napanii right now, are we? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:44:18 -
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Seraphim Risen wrote: Mine wasn't the first betrayal.
Well, as someone who's certainly not an Amarr loyalist and has enjoyed drinking with you in the past, I'll bite: what was? |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1380
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:51:32 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Probably because your beliefs are not valid if they lead you to something like this. Someone might have listened before this betrayal, but not now.
Pretty sure detonating 2 paladin's next to a head of state is an act of violence, then again it's a different kind of violence (one I can't honestly say I fully agree with due to possible collateral damage and the risks)
Ya I'm not going to argue this one, I misread intention. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 23:08:55 -
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Of course it's an act of violence. That is not what I find disagreeable.
It was an act of violence against the newly crowned head of the Amarr Empire, my home and the state upon which almost everyone I hold dear depends upon for their security and prosperity.
It's not just violence, it's personal.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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