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Atomine Elektrine
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:09:00 -
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Well, with all that nerfing and LACK of solo now - i must just ask, why?
let's say ur aimed to kill npc hunters
ok, target is cruise raven - vagabond can't kill it, so is any HAC, battleships is too slow (nanonerf) to get kill something before it safespotted or get backup fast (THX TO HP BOOST, and lack of hp on HACS)
why 1 man can kill all npc with noob skills/in cheap ship? and u can't kill it with 300-400 mil ships (+rigs + equip) why theres so injustice ppl?
update: now with bubbles BOOST - all u need is to anchor a large mobile and kill all that is incoming - just bring more ppl - bring bloob
u wan't to kill something? bring bloob
u wan't to be succesful as alliance? bring blob
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XerZex
Puppets on Steroids
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:17:00 -
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uhm, id try and solo a raven in my vaga :) HAC lvl 5 ftw :)
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Dorque
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:19:00 -
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If your complaining about them nerfing nano ships your one of the people who abused it.
Im glad you can no longer fly this ship.
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Akane Miyamoto
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:19:00 -
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Uh.. It's not like you could kill cautious ratters with nanoBS anyway.. Least no one managed to get me tackled with one And uh.. It's been like this before the nanofad and still ratters died nicely.. Yeah sure, now it takes a bit longer to kill them, but boohoo?
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Dethis
Caldari Obliteration Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:20:00 -
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People Soloed just fine before nano ships were around deal with it.
-------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
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Akane Miyamoto
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dethis People Soloed just fine before nano ships were around deal with it.
Maybe someone should start a nanoaddict-reabilitation clinic? "This is how you fly a real ship"
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Atomine Elektrine
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: XerZex uhm, id try and solo a raven in my vaga :) HAC lvl 5 ftw :)
u can't kill a t2 cruise precision raven with vaga at HAC 5 lvl
Originally by: Dethis People Soloed just fine before nano ships were around deal with it.
before nanoships there was no HP boost which killed hacs as solo-killers
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Dethis
Caldari Obliteration Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dethis on 21/03/2007 09:24:06
Originally by: Atomine Elektrine
Originally by: XerZex uhm, id try and solo a raven in my vaga :) HAC lvl 5 ftw :)
u can't kill a t2 cruise precision raven with vaga at HAC 5 lvl
Originally by: Dethis People Soloed just fine before nano ships were around deal with it.
before nanoships there was no HP boost which killed hacs as solo-killers
Then don't solo battleships in hacs. i don't see the problem.
And why shouldn't a t2 fitted raven have a good chance of killing you? -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
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Akane Miyamoto
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dethis And why shouldn't a t2 fitted raven have a good chance of killing you?
Maybe (s)he thinks HACs should overpower BS' strength
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:29:00 -
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Nano ships had nothing to do with enabling solo combat.
What you are saying is that If a noob is ratting and gets attacked, he will win. PVP BS will always beat a NPCer/mission runner BS, unless the pvper is utter noob.
I can think of a ton of ships that are great for solo PVP. amoung them being Dominix, megathron, Eos, Astarte, IShtar, Typhoon, Vagabond, hurricane, myrmidon, brutix, Cyclone.... Ok enough... and that's only to name a few. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
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Atomine Elektrine
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dethis Edited by: Dethis on 21/03/2007 09:24:06
Originally by: Atomine Elektrine
Originally by: XerZex uhm, id try and solo a raven in my vaga :) HAC lvl 5 ftw :)
u can't kill a t2 cruise precision raven with vaga at HAC 5 lvl
Originally by: Dethis People Soloed just fine before nano ships were around deal with it.
before nanoships there was no HP boost which killed hacs as solo-killers
Then don't solo battleships in hacs. i don't see the problem.
And why shouldn't a t2 fitted raven have a good chance of killing you?
cause raven is aimed to hunt rats, me is aimed to hunt raven - why raven should kill me if i catch him?
don't solo? cool, il just bring bloob
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Atomine Elektrine
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Orsen Nano ships had nothing to do with enabling solo combat.
What you are saying is that If a noob is ratting and gets attacked, he will win. PVP BS will always beat a NPCer/mission runner BS, unless the pvper is utter noob.
I can think of a ton of ships that are great for solo PVP. amoung them being Dominix, megathron, Eos, Astarte, IShtar, Typhoon, Vagabond, hurricane, myrmidon, brutix, Cyclone.... Ok enough... and that's only to name a few.
all this ships, sir, are pretty useless to solo in 0.0 with all their lazynes, they are tardness
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Dethis
Caldari Obliteration Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Atomine Elektrine
Originally by: Dethis Edited by: Dethis on 21/03/2007 09:24:06
Originally by: Atomine Elektrine
Originally by: XerZex uhm, id try and solo a raven in my vaga :) HAC lvl 5 ftw :)
u can't kill a t2 cruise precision raven with vaga at HAC 5 lvl
Originally by: Dethis People Soloed just fine before nano ships were around deal with it.
before nanoships there was no HP boost which killed hacs as solo-killers
Then don't solo battleships in hacs. i don't see the problem.
And why shouldn't a t2 fitted raven have a good chance of killing you?
cause raven is aimed to hunt rats, me is aimed to hunt raven - why raven should kill me if i catch him?
don't solo? cool, il just bring bloob
Clearly bringing one friend in a ceptor to tackle and flying around in a domi/phoon/tempest/mega is a blob.
Most raven pvp setups are close to the same as a Npcing setup btw.
Ill be sure to notify the FC next time we are fighting a fleet that we can beat them with 2 ships. -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
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Atomine Elektrine
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:36:00 -
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Clearly bringing one friend in a ceptor to tackle and flying around in a domi/phoon/tempest/mega is a blob.
Most raven pvp setups are close to the same as a Npcing setup btw.
Ill be sure to notify the FC next time we are fighting a fleet that we can beat them with 2 ships.
hi, im talking about solo, not about battleships + ceptor or battleship + recon or battleship + covert ops, so don't squish things around here
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Mathias Orsen on 21/03/2007 09:51:32
Originally by: Atomine Elektrine
Originally by: Mathias Orsen Nano ships had nothing to do with enabling solo combat.
What you are saying is that If a noob is ratting and gets attacked, he will win. PVP BS will always beat a NPCer/mission runner BS, unless the pvper is utter noob.
I can think of a ton of ships that are great for solo PVP. amoung them being Dominix, megathron, Eos, Astarte, IShtar, Typhoon, Vagabond, hurricane, myrmidon, brutix, Cyclone.... Ok enough... and that's only to name a few.
all this ships, sir, are pretty useless to solo in 0.0 with all their lazynes, they are tardness
that is a very compelling argument.. Guess your right... and those of us that solo in these ships are just frequently lucky. I apologise for my ignorance. Hope that I remain so lucky to continue PVPing with nothing less than a small blob being able to kill me.
I still won't disreguard the possability that a 1 month old player actually has no idea on the matter though. Opinions will very likely change when that player starts getting his/her first skillpoints. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
Gix Firebrand
Caldari Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:54:00 -
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We do have solo ships. Take a ship out of the station, go and solo with it.
Now will you succeed? Judging from your posts here, no. No matter what ship you pilot, you won't win :D
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:55:00 -
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Blasterthron > nublet in raven
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:58:00 -
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So strange how it takes a blob to kill a victim but a solo raven nooblet ratting in 0.0 can kill any ship that attacks it alone. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
Atomine Elektrine
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Orsen So strange how it takes a blob to kill a victim but a solo raven nooblet ratting in 0.0 can kill any ship that attacks it alone.
that's it but solo BS (like mega) will catch only an idiot he will have 1-2 mins
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Ryysa
North Face Force Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:04:00 -
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Ever considered you're not supposed to solo win eve?
Sure nanophoons etc were fun.
Vagabond can't kill raven btw. 2 Nos on raven takes care of vaga's MWD very fast. Or even 1 Nos.
However, 2 vagabonds can kill most ravens :P
Imo, take a look at pilgrim, especially if the raven is aggroed by npc's... and you use damps + ecm burst.
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Atomine Elektrine
Originally by: Mathias Orsen So strange how it takes a blob to kill a victim but a solo raven nooblet ratting in 0.0 can kill any ship that attacks it alone.
that's it but solo BS (like mega) will catch only an idiot he will have 1-2 mins
1-2 minutes to what.. die?... even if that "idiot" called for help and the whole alliance came to help him... he would be dead and looted long before they got thier.
BS (like mega)? Ok lets take that ship for example.. In that 1-2 minutes, my mega could most likely kill 2-4 nooblet BSs that are out ratting in 0.0. I could say with some level of confidence that your raven would not last much more than 30 seconds against my Mega. I hate to speak about me and my ships like that but the thing is... Even I fear the beast. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:14:00 -
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Just because you cannot kill *one*single*ship* it does not mean you cannot solo pvp. Choose the right tools for the job. There exists no ship which hasn't targets it is weak against.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:14:00 -
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The Blasterthron is basically a solo ship (it does a poor job compared to longer ranged Battleships once you start to scale up the combat), and it does just fine in demolishing most things it comes across, be it BS's, BC's, HAC's e.t.c
Said Raven will most likely die within 40-45 seconds of engaging, which is usually enough time to do the job and get out before back-up arrives (i.e. true 'hit and run', not 'orbit at multiple km/sec while being untouchable'...)
I have to say I have no sympathy for nano-BS pilots who have had it virtually risk free until now, if you want to kill a Battleship solo in hostile territory, you should have the risks associated with sticking your neck that far out... ----------
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:18:00 -
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What type of battleship are you hunting? Must tank oriented BB have no problem holding a blasterthron for 30 seconds. Some like Rokh and MAesltrom can hold it until they run out of cap charges...
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Trefnis
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Orsen
Originally by: Atomine Elektrine
Originally by: Mathias Orsen So strange how it takes a blob to kill a victim but a solo raven nooblet ratting in 0.0 can kill any ship that attacks it alone.
that's it but solo BS (like mega) will catch only an idiot he will have 1-2 mins
1-2 minutes to what.. die?... even if that "idiot" called for help and the whole alliance came to help him... he would be dead and looted long before they got thier.
BS (like mega)? Ok lets take that ship for example.. In that 1-2 minutes, my mega could most likely kill 2-4 nooblet BSs that are out ratting in 0.0. I could say with some level of confidence that your raven would not last much more than 30 seconds against my Mega. I hate to speak about me and my ships like that but the thing is... Even I fear the beast.
I believe he ment that your target have 1-2 mins to get out of belt, ss and cloak before you scan him down on belt, warp there and get close to him.
ps. it was one of the best patches ever :)
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Mathias Orsen on 21/03/2007 10:30:57
Originally by: Kagura Nikon What type of battleship are you hunting? Must tank oriented BB have no problem holding a blasterthron for 30 seconds. Some like Rokh and MAesltrom can hold it until they run out of cap charges...
Best possible armor tank with all t2 and max mechanic skills and 3 rigs can tank around 750-800* sustainable DPS. Very few tanks, next to none in Ratters, will tank as much That in my great opinion is a sick tank... from a top damage Blasterthon, It's gonna be recieving 400-500 DPS that gets past it's tank. In 30 seconds, that's as much as 15000 Damage being done to what it can tank.
That does not mean a great mega is unbeatable in 1 vs 1 combat.. It just means that based on statistics and what most people have equipped, especially out in risky 0.0, the mega will make short work of the victim.
Although, Yes a tier 3 BS can possibly tank till it runs out of cap... but it's gonna require a very nice tank and rigs. For instance, My Domi can tank just as much with the rigs as my hyper could without rigs.
*-- numbers based on a balanced PVP tank. Ratting tank could tank more if only resisting two damage types. However, Cap usage would be to high on such a tank to make it worth using in Belt ratting. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
Druadan
Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:37:00 -
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i <3 bloobs __________________________________________________
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:41:00 -
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If u say u cant solo with ships like astarte, eos and a lot of other ships then i will have to say that it isnt the ships that suck, its U!!!!
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Dorque
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Druadan i <3 bloobs
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe If u say u cant solo with ships like astarte, eos and a lot of other ships then i will have to say that it isnt the ships that suck, its U!!!!
maybe It needs to be said.. Skills do not complent a ship, ships complement the skills. If that is somehow hard for anyone to understand, here goes an example. A max skilled pilot in a cruiser can both out-damage and out-tank a minimum skilled pilot in a BS. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
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