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organism	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:29:00 - [1] <RANT> Last night, myself and 3 friends had a nasty experience. We crossed into 0.0 for some ratting, but were followed in by around 15 people from an alliance, in vastly superior ships. They then set upon us like street criminals, killed one of our ships, but fortunately the rest of us got away. You might say, OK, that is to be expected when going into 0.0, but I have some thoughts to share: 1. We weren't any sort of threat to them or their control of the system, and I know for a fact that killing 1 npc battleship in that area would give them more loot than killing all 4 of us. It was pointless, and it pretty much ruined the evening for us - surely that is not good for EVE as a game? In every sport, equal plays against relative equal - in Karate and boxing, for example, people of similar weights fight people of similar weights in order to make for a fair fight. There are many good reasons for doing this - and this spirit should be mandatory in EVE - otherwise we are legitimizing cyberbullying, something which can be equally as nasty as schoolyard or workplace bullying. 2. The people in question spoke the language of a county notorious for mob violence. I won't be more specific. I have been there several times, and know many people from that country. These people essentially transferred their real life street violence into EVE, and I am sure these people would have no problem kicking a real human being to death, I know because it happens in their country everyday. There is a difference between piracy and bullying / mob violence culture. EVE needs to declare which it allows. I don't mind piracy, but bullying / mob violence is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. </RANT>
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:33:00 - [2] Eve isnt fair. The sooner you learn that the better.
Demarcus Project Gemini	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:35:00 - [3] Edited by: Demarcus on 21/03/2007 10:31:20 Quote: It was pointless, and it pretty much ruined the evening for us - surely that is not good for EVE as a game? That is the point. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:36:00 - [4] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/03/2007 10:40:45 You trespassed onto territory they claimed without even notifying them first or contacting their diplomats. Now you're accusing them of mob violence, and making real-life references because to this. I hope they kill you again next time you go out there. This is no better than people making Stalin references to the Russian alliances, or constantly referring to Adolf and the German alliances, and so forth This is 0.0. Of course you're going to get killed, except in the couple NRDS areas. Why do you need to bring RL references into something that is independent of nationality? --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Claudius Tiberius	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:36:00 - [5] Life isnt but you can still make a stand. Send this character (my alt) an eve-mail if interested. We had our share of cyberbullying and we have and are taking a stance.
Comrade Boris	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:44:00 - [6] ô1. We weren't any sort of threat to them or their control of the system, and I know for a fact that killing 1 npc battleship in that area would give them more loot than killing all 4 of us.ö Meaning you where in there space? I donÆt know about other alliances, but any IÆve ever been in will shoot players intruding there space no matter how un-fair. These alliances work for there space and donÆt take kindly to people just using it and leaving when they are bored. ôIn every sport, equal plays against relative equal - in Karate and boxing, for example, people of similar weights fight people of similar weights in order to make for a fair fight.ö This is trueà but what you did is the equivalent of you jumping into their ring and then complaining when they knock you out. The fight may have been unfair but if you donÆt enjoy this kind of anarchy you should remain in higher sec. The main thing you need to learn is like Major Stormer said Eve isnÆt fair.
organism	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:44:00 - [7] Quote: This is no better than people making Stalin references to the Russian alliances, or constantly referring to Adolf and the German alliances, and so forth If the hat fits, wear it - but note I have specifically NOT said which country - a number of countries could fall under the description I used. Quote: I hope they kill you again next time you go out there. Perhaps you enjoy mob violence too?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:46:00 - [8] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/03/2007 10:43:39 Originally by: organism Quote: This is no better than people making Stalin references to the Russian alliances, or constantly referring to Adolf and the German alliances, and so forth If the hat fits, wear it - but note I have specifically NOT said which country - a number of countries could fall under the description I used. Quote: I hope they kill you again next time you go out there. Perhaps you enjoy mob violence too? So all NBSI 0.0 alliances "enjoy mob violence"? Ever thought that that's just how they work? There's 50,000 people, and they all have the same policy, regardless of their alliance. There are only a few non-NBSI 0.0 alliances, and even those often have small restricted areas in which an NRDS policy applies instead. If you want to trespass on their space, you have to contact them first, not barge in and expect to be welcomed. This is how EVE has worked for three years. Its not going to change to make you happy. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:48:00 - [9] Edited by: Noluck Ned on 21/03/2007 10:45:51 Originally by: Claudius Tiberius Life isnt but you can still make a stand. Send this character (my alt) an eve-mail if interested. We had our share of cyberbullying and we have and are taking a stance. Can you take it near us? Please? Oh and post with your main if you are so staunchly anti-pvp. Seriously though in response to the op: You must never enter 0.0 in a ship you expect to keep, sooner or later every ship pops. I can only assume that your relative inexperience in the lawless zones led to your shiploss, next time use a scout in a fast ship who stays a jump or two ahead of your gang to keep an eye out. There are several tricks of the trade you can use to avoid being killed however most involve you running as fast as possible. Alternatively fit a cloak to hide in plain sight. Join a corp that is willing to teach you the ropes in 0.0 life and learn from every setback in order not to repeat your mistakes. Have a nice day! OH and no more comparing RL to EVE, not now, not ever mmmkay? F4T4L - Recruitment
organism	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:49:00 - [10] Edited by: organism on 21/03/2007 10:47:34 Quote: This is trueà but what you did is the equivalent of you jumping into their ring and then complaining when they knock you out. Let's imagine a similar situation - I am a boxer in a ring, and suddenly a six year old child jumps into the ring with me. Do I knock him out and then criticize him for getting into the ring? We r not six year olds - but as moral human beings, we know the reason human beings place such importance on fair fights. As for asking their permission, last time I checked, I paid the same fees as everyone else. Anyway, I just wanted to rant a little. We have learned from the experience. (And it wasn'y mu ship that popped. My alt scout in a shuttle came out untouched.)

Demarcus Project Gemini	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:53:00 - [11] Edited by: Demarcus on 21/03/2007 10:52:12 You trespassed into their home and they killed you on sight with all the force they had available at the time. How is that different than rl or any other game. Making any reference to their rl race creed color, any of that it just wrong. I'm American, so does that mean all the wars I start with my corp in EVE are for oil? ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Demarcus Project Gemini	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:55:00 - [12] Quote: Let's imagine a similar situation - I am a boxer in a ring, and suddenly a six year old child jumps into the ring with me. Do I knock him out and then criticize him for getting into the ring? We r not six year olds - but as moral human beings, we know the reason human beings place such importance on fair fights. You apparently never saw Tyson fight when he was young. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
organism	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Demarcus How is that different that rl... I don't know what sort of rl you experience, but I can go anywhere I want and never have any problem whatsoever.
organism	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Demarcus You apparently never saw Tyson fight when he was young. Well, the only time I ever watched boxing was when Tyson got hungry during the fight.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Hannobaal on 21/03/2007 10:59:58 Edited by: Hannobaal on 21/03/2007 10:59:18 It's their territory. They've claimed it with military strength, and they keep people they don't want there out, with military strength. Unless you manage to get a deal with them where they allow you to be there, or you are able to beat them through strength and force your way in there, or you're able to stealthily dodge them and get in there anyway... ...stay out and stop whining!!! ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Demarcus Project Gemini	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:04:00 - [16] Originally by: organism Originally by: Demarcus How is that different that rl... I don't know what sort of rl you experience, but I can go anywhere I want and never have any problem whatsoever. But you probably never walk around combat zones in your day to day. 0.0 in it's entirety is a combat zone. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:07:00 - [17] Originally by: organism Originally by: Demarcus How is that different that rl... I don't know what sort of rl you experience, but I can go anywhere I want and never have any problem whatsoever. Thanks to your contry's police forces. Without them you would risk being robbed and killed the minute you left your house. In Eve, that's empire high-sec. There, you're protected. 0.0 is lawless. No one is protected. That's the way Eve is. If you don't like 0.0, stay in high-sec. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Deimos Regal Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:08:00 - [18] Originally by: organism Edited by: organism on 21/03/2007 10:47:34 Quote: Let's imagine a similar situation - I am a boxer in a ring, and suddenly a six year old child jumps into the ring with me. Do I knock him out and then criticize him for getting into the ring? Yes you criticize him, because before he got into the ring a little box popped up that told him people would try to knock him out if he stepped into said ring. It isn't the boxer's fault the 6-year old didn't pay attention to the warning. Quote: ....but as moral human beings, we know the reason human beings place such importance on fair fights. Clearly you have never been in a real fight, you "always" use any advantage you can to win. If you play fair, you loose. Always play to win.
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:19:00 - [19] Unless you know them in real life, how can you know that they will beat people to death etc? I steal everything i can get close to ingame (not scams or emptying of corp hangars, but any wreck I can find even in the middle of a battle), if it wasnt for the security standing loss I would prob also kill anyone I saw as easy pickings in low sec space... This would make me what? A stealing bully in real life? Oh yes, I also store drugs in my hangars.. Im an addict now maybe? Let me tell you the truth... I never ever stole even a piece of candy in a store, nor did I ever try even one cigarete, and I have never been anyway near drugs.. Ingame actions have not and will never reflect what kind of person you are in real life... Get over it and stay out of claimed territories. Originally by: organism <RANT> Last night, myself and 3 friends had a nasty experience. We crossed into 0.0 for some ratting, but were followed in by around 15 people from an alliance, in vastly superior ships. They then set upon us like street criminals, killed one of our ships, but fortunately the rest of us got away. You might say, OK, that is to be expected when going into 0.0, but I have some thoughts to share: 1. We weren't any sort of threat to them or their control of the system, and I know for a fact that killing 1 npc battleship in that area would give them more loot than killing all 4 of us. It was pointless, and it pretty much ruined the evening for us - surely that is not good for EVE as a game? In every sport, equal plays against relative equal - in Karate and boxing, for example, people of similar weights fight people of similar weights in order to make for a fair fight. There are many good reasons for doing this - and this spirit should be mandatory in EVE - otherwise we are legitimizing cyberbullying, something which can be equally as nasty as schoolyard or workplace bullying. 2. The people in question spoke the language of a county notorious for mob violence. I won't be more specific. I have been there several times, and know many people from that country. These people essentially transferred their real life street violence into EVE, and I am sure these people would have no problem kicking a real human being to death, I know because it happens in their country everyday. There is a difference between piracy and bullying / mob violence culture. EVE needs to declare which it allows. I don't mind piracy, but bullying / mob violence is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. </RANT>
yaaarrrr	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:29:00 - [20] Originally by: organism Edited by: organism on 21/03/2007 10:47:34 Quote: This is trueà but what you did is the equivalent of you jumping into their ring and then complaining when they knock you out. Let's imagine a similar situation - I am a boxer in a ring, and suddenly a six year old child jumps into the ring with me. Do I knock him out and then criticize him for getting into the ring? We r not six year olds - but as moral human beings, we know the reason human beings place such importance on fair fights. As for asking their permission, last time I checked, I paid the same fees as everyone else. Anyway, I just wanted to rant a little. We have learned from the experience. (And it wasn'y mu ship that popped. My alt scout in a shuttle came out untouched.) 1. your comparing yourself to a 6 year old ? Mmmmk 2. You enter uninvited into another corp/alliances area and expect NOT to be blown up ? This in 00 ? LMFAO Your ether a compleat noob to the game or you surly do not read or listen to what people have said about being in 00 before. (I learned within the first 8 hours of playing about 00 by watching what people said both in chat and on these forums) 3. You only have yourself to blame. And a hint. NBSI = "Not blue shoot it" Wich i am pretty sure 99.999999% of all 00 corps/aliances follow. 4. Eve is not real life.. Real life isn't Fair. I have NEVER in my entire life seen anything that was "FAIR" that word is a fairy tail setup by people who will not or can not see reality that the world is. Eve like life is not and never will be fair. You have to fight for it mate Get a clue and learn from your mistake and stop waisting peoples time here. None really cares if you got your ship blown up in 00 hundreds of ships are blown up every day.. Deal with it Btw.. omg your alt scout in a shuttle got away!! woohoo the most ussless ship in the game (aside from scouting and traveling) was saved!! call the presses.. Bahh

organism	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:40:00 - [21] Originally by: yaaarrrr 1. your comparing yourself to a 6 year old ? Mmmmk
Popellus Maximus	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:42:00 - [22] It is obviously not the correct game for you. Try a different one, World of Warcraft for example. And: As a german player I am naturally Adolf ******
Powdder Happy hOur Mining and industry	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:54:00 - [23] damn brotha, what do you want, cargo cans @ 20k every time someone wants to kill you?? this isn't the royal court. this is nasty, mean brutal street fighting!! and thats why we love it Pow
Nyck Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:01:00 - [24] Edited by: Nyck on 21/03/2007 11:59:27 Edited by: Nyck on 21/03/2007 11:58:04 I'm going to humor you for a moment, and play with the notion that your ethnic slur is correct. With that information, we must ask ourselves, what country are you from? Before entering their space, did you offer financial support in return for a military presence? Or, did you just enter their territory, with armed ships, and assume that you had a right to be there? You, my friend, invaded their territory with an armed force, and they used all of their military might to defend themselves. You are the bad guy here, and you lost. edit-spelling
cory suaki Caldari Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:05:00 - [25] NBSI enough said
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:21:00 - [26] "As for asking their permission, last time I checked, I paid the same fees as everyone else." Correct. So you have exactly the same right to claim & defend systems as they do.
Lacihtenu	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:23:00 - [27] Edited by: Lacihtenu on 21/03/2007 12:22:15 Edited by: Lacihtenu on 21/03/2007 12:21:31 Edited by: Lacihtenu on 21/03/2007 12:20:40 Originally by: organism <RANT> Last night, myself and 3 friends had a nasty experience. We crossed into 0.0 for some ratting, but were followed in by around 15 people from an alliance, in vastly superior ships. They then set upon us like street criminals, killed one of our ships, but fortunately the rest of us got away. You might say, OK, that is to be expected when going into 0.0, but I have some thoughts to share: 1. We weren't any sort of threat to them or their control of the system, and I know for a fact that killing 1 npc battleship in that area would give them more loot than killing all 4 of us. It was pointless, and it pretty much ruined the evening for us - surely that is not good for EVE as a game? In every sport, equal plays against relative equal - in Karate and boxing, for example, people of similar weights fight people of similar weights in order to make for a fair fight. There are many good reasons for doing this - and this spirit should be mandatory in EVE - otherwise we are legitimizing cyberbullying, something which can be equally as nasty as schoolyard or workplace bullying. 2. The people in question spoke the language of a county notorious for mob violence. I won't be more specific. I have been there several times, and know many people from that country. These people essentially transferred their real life street violence into EVE, and I am sure these people would have no problem kicking a real human being to death, I know because it happens in their country everyday. There is a difference between piracy and bullying / mob violence culture. EVE needs to declare which it allows. I don't mind piracy, but bullying / mob violence is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. </RANT> You know, I feel what your saying. I just started playing again. I was interested in EVE a bit over a year ago and began playing it. After 3 months I was finally making a dent in my training, and beginning to fit a ship to try and break into the PvP arena. Well, I spent DAYS gathering equipment from many places (Wherever it was available). The last few pieces I was looking for were in a .4 system. It was the only place I could find that WASN'T over 20 jumps away that had them all in one station, so I sucked it up, hopped in a Frig, and jumped there. When I entered, no one was there, so I quickly jumped to the station, purchased the items, and jumped back to the gate from which I came.....and right inot 2 pirates. I tried to plead with them that I was new, I had crap T1 gear, and was tryign to prepare for PvP. I also offered to give them what ISK I had left to let me pass. They blew me up and podded me, and then laughed about it. I quit playin because it was irritating to spend 3 months to get to that point to just have to start over. I bet this happens ALOT to new players. Hence, why EVE doesn't grow a whole lot. Anyways, I personally don't think it's as much that these other players countries are violent in nature IRL that they are the way they are in EVE. Usually, it's a case of the cyberbullies are the people IRL that got picked on as a kid, or even now, and are outcast wusses who flex their E-peen because they can do it without any real physical or emotional harm coming to them. I can almost assure you that if you were sitting next to them at computers and playing, they would of left you alone.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:25:00 - [28] Originally by: organism <RANT> Last night, myself and 3 friends had a nasty experience. We crossed into 0.0 for some ratting, but were followed in by around 15 people from an alliance, in vastly superior ships. They then set upon us like street criminals, killed one of our ships, but fortunately the rest of us got away. You might say, OK, that is to be expected when going into 0.0, but I have some thoughts to share: 1. We weren't any sort of threat to them or their control of the system, and I know for a fact that killing 1 npc battleship in that area would give them more loot than killing all 4 of us. It was pointless, and it pretty much ruined the evening for us - surely that is not good for EVE as a game? In every sport, equal plays against relative equal - in Karate and boxing, for example, people of similar weights fight people of similar weights in order to make for a fair fight. There are many good reasons for doing this - and this spirit should be mandatory in EVE - otherwise we are legitimizing cyberbullying, something which can be equally as nasty as schoolyard or workplace bullying. 2. The people in question spoke the language of a county notorious for mob violence. I won't be more specific. I have been there several times, and know many people from that country. These people essentially transferred their real life street violence into EVE, and I am sure these people would have no problem kicking a real human being to death, I know because it happens in their country everyday. There is a difference between piracy and bullying / mob violence culture. EVE needs to declare which it allows. I don't mind piracy, but bullying / mob violence is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. </RANT> You and your friends trespassed in someone elses space, you paid the price. Welcome to Eve-Online. NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:50:00 - [29] "I can almost assure you that if you were sitting next to them at computers and playing, they would of left you alone." Almost as if... as if... EVE were a game and not real life?
Lucy Vladimir	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:55:00 - [30] go play super mario cart, it seems more fitting to you, you cry baby

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go play super mario cart, it seems more fitting to you, you cry baby