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Kip Winger
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.04 01:14:50 -
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So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today, it shows a continued need for this feature. Then a day before that, I witnessed bumped and held an Orca in Uedama for over an hour. This type of bumping is harassment. Before all the gankers jump up in arms, I am not, and have ever thought about taking ganking or even bumping away, but the ability to bump someone for hours in highsec is not right. CCP must agree with this, since they have come up with the 3 minute warp timer solution. We just don't know when it is coming. Soon please!!
The 3 minute warp timer this is an important roll against the endless bumping if it is done right. There was a mention of sucide scramming a freighter to continue to reset the 3 minute timer. If that is the way it is done, it really won't fix the problem of bumping. So I suggest the following:
The 3 minute timer should start the timer from the moment the warp button is pushed... If a scram is put on The freighter (or any ship potentially) and the person applying the scram becomes criminal, the warp timer should continue as normal. If the person applying the scram does not turn criminal ( due to a war dec ) then the warp timer is stopped, and the freighter is stuck
This would only be applied in high sec, null and low will not have this dynamic.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
3115
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Posted - 2016.10.04 03:02:04 -
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Kip Winger wrote:So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today, it shows a continued need for this feature. Then a day before that, I witnessed bumped and held an Orca in Uedama for over an hour. This type of bumping is harassment. Before all the gankers jump up in arms, I am not, and have ever thought about taking ganking or even bumping away, but the ability to bump someone for hours in highsec is not right. CCP must agree with this, since they have come up with the 3 minute warp timer solution. We just don't know when it is coming. Soon please!!
The 3 minute warp timer this is an important roll against the endless bumping if it is done right. There was a mention of sucide scramming a freighter to continue to reset the 3 minute timer. If that is the way it is done, it really won't fix the problem of bumping. So I suggest the following:
The 3 minute timer should start the timer from the moment the warp button is pushed... If a scram is put on The freighter (or any ship potentially) and the person applying the scram becomes criminal, the warp timer should continue as normal. If the person applying the scram does not turn criminal ( due to a war dec ) then the warp timer is stopped, and the freighter is stuck
This would only be applied in high sec, null and low will not have this dynamic.
Thanks! Wrong forum. You came to the place where we like to abuse this mechanic
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
422
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Posted - 2016.10.04 03:11:49 -
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If they bump you for that long without a ransom demand, it's ticket-worthy. They're keeping you from playing the game.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
3115
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Posted - 2016.10.04 03:25:43 -
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Good luck with that
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Morgan Agrivar
Divine Bovine Security Services
571
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Posted - 2016.10.04 04:16:20 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:If they bump you for that long without a ransom demand, it's ticket-worthy. They're keeping you from playing the game. Nothing is keeping you from playing the game. Conflict is part of it.
And realize that what they can do to you, you can do right back to them. It isn't an exploit because you have access to it too. Bumping isn't only a one-way street. It is possible to bump the bumpers off of their target so the 'victim' can warp off.
People just choose not to...
Nothing wrong here, please move on.
This would cure me of the fear...
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Tora Bushido
eve corporation 987654321-pop The Marmite Collective
3472
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Posted - 2016.10.04 08:02:44 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Wrong forum. You came to the place where we like to abuse this mechanic Not everyone, because I agree with him. Not sure if it should be 3, 5 or 10 minutes, but there should be a max. If you cant gank someone within that time, you're a bad ganker and your bumping is pointless. If you can, Awesome...... gank them all !
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1127
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Posted - 2016.10.04 09:46:04 -
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Kip Winger wrote:So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today, 3-6 hours?
Really. Was it closer to 3, or 6?
I know either is pretty long and beyond what many would consider reasonable, however such an imprecise figure suggests bullshit (exaggeration) at play here.
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3520
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Posted - 2016.10.04 09:48:32 -
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why dont you just get good instead of crying
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
3117
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Posted - 2016.10.04 10:25:19 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Kip Winger wrote:So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today, 3-6 hours? Really. Was it closer to 3, or 6? I know either is pretty long and beyond what many would consider reasonable, however such an imprecise figure suggests bullshit (exaggeration) at play here. It was between 30 seconds and 3 days ok
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StonerPhReaK
AFK Inc.
463
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Posted - 2016.10.04 11:08:20 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Kip Winger wrote:So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today, 3-6 hours? Really. Was it closer to 3, or 6? I know either is pretty long and beyond what many would consider reasonable, however such an imprecise figure suggests bullshit (exaggeration) at play here. It was between 30 seconds and 3 days ok
In Eve time that roughly translates to 12 minutes. Unless he went to the bathroom during a bump. Then that makes it twelve minutes 47 seconds.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
3119
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Posted - 2016.10.04 11:29:51 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Wrong forum. You came to the place where we like to abuse this mechanic Not everyone, because I agree with him. Not sure if it should be 3, 5 or 10 minutes, but there should be a max. If you cant gank someone within that time, you're a bad ganker and your bumping is pointless. If you can, Awesome...... gank them all ! I remember bumping a certain orca that was going to be a wt in an hours time for the full length of that hour
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Tora Bushido
eve corporation 987654321-pop The Marmite Collective
3477
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Posted - 2016.10.04 12:33:52 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I remember bumping a certain orca that was going to be a wt in an hours time for the full length of that hour Lucky it wasn't me doing that. That sounds boring as hell.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
3120
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Posted - 2016.10.04 12:49:49 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I remember bumping a certain orca that was going to be a wt in an hours time for the full length of that hour Lucky it wasn't me doing that. That sounds boring as hell. It was for about 10 minutes until his corp started to desperately try and save it. all manner of things was tried including logging off, webbing, threats, pleads about poorness. Was a good day all in all
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1878
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Posted - 2016.10.04 13:02:00 -
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Meh. He coulda got on the batphone and had his corpies gank the bumper(s).
.......
wat?
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Kip Winger
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2016.10.04 16:25:01 -
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Exactly... Gank it or move along.
Tora Bushido wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Wrong forum. You came to the place where we like to abuse this mechanic Not everyone, because I agree with him. Not sure if it should be 3, 5 or 10 minutes, but there should be a max. If you cant gank someone within that time, you're a bad ganker and your bumping is pointless. If you can, Awesome...... gank them all !
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Kip Winger
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2016.10.04 16:29:40 -
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First... by your comparison... 30 second bump.. ok.. 3 days... Now your just trolling.
Look back at my statement... Even at the lowest statement... 3 hours. Its too long. If witness are reliable (or CCP has more accurate data... which they have said they do in the past) 6 hours is WAY WAY too long.
So thank you for your input how ever trolley it might be. :)
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Kip Winger wrote:So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today, 3-6 hours? Really. Was it closer to 3, or 6? I know either is pretty long and beyond what many would consider reasonable, however such an imprecise figure suggests bullshit (exaggeration) at play here. It was between 30 seconds and 3 days ok |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2794
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Posted - 2016.10.04 16:44:24 -
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Kip Winger wrote:The 3 minute warp timer this is an important roll against the endless bumping if it is done right. There was a mention of sucide scramming a freighter to continue to reset the 3 minute timer. If that is the way it is done, it really won't fix the problem of bumping. Of course it will fix the problem of bumping. Bumping will no longer be able to hold a ship for more than three minutes. If you want to hold it longer, you will have to commit a criminal act and disrupt the freighter's warp drive. CONCORD will then destroy the tackler, just like it destroys any aggressor, and justice is served and you can then go about trying to initiate warp again.
Unless you have overloaded your cargo to an amazing degree, no one is going to suicide tackle you every three minutes for 3-6 hours. And if they do, well you probably deserve it for annoying/tempting someone that much to go through such a hassle.
In any case, we haven't heard hide nor hair of this change since it was announced almost 6 months ago. We don't know exactly what form it will take so when (if?) it appears on Sisi, then you can begin your agitation for yet more free safety for yourself.
We are almost there guys. Just this one more nerf, and it will all be perfectly balanced!
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Kip Winger
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:12:59 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Kip Winger wrote:The 3 minute warp timer this is an important roll against the endless bumping if it is done right. There was a mention of sucide scramming a freighter to continue to reset the 3 minute timer. If that is the way it is done, it really won't fix the problem of bumping. Of course it will fix the problem of bumping. Bumping will no longer be able to hold a ship for more than three minutes. If you want to hold it longer, you will have to commit a criminal act and disrupt the freighter's warp drive. CONCORD will then destroy the tackler, just like it destroys any aggressor, and justice is served and you can then go about trying to initiate warp again. Unless you have overloaded your cargo to an amazing degree, no one is going to suicide tackle you every three minutes for 3-6 hours. And if they do, well you probably deserve it for annoying/tempting someone that much to go through such a hassle. In any case, we haven't heard hide nor hair of this change since it was announced almost 6 months ago. We don't know exactly what form it will take so when (if?) it appears on Sisi, so wait until then before you begin your agitation for yet more free safety. We are almost there guys. Just this one more nerf, and it will all be perfectly balanced!
You are right, we have not heard about it for a while. So I would love CCP to let us know when it will come into play.
As for your last snarky comment, its never just one more nerf, as the game evolves, tweaks need to be made for all. Just like when the online notifications got removed unless it was a 2 way trust... or when the crazy amount of HP was added to the wrecks, so wreck popping became rare. It goes both ways my friend.
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Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite CODE.
25
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:58:29 -
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Because antiganking got bored of trying to protect a freighter that wouldn't pay a ransom they are now demanding ANOTHER nerf.
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Dom Arkaral
Axios
594
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:14:30 -
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Basically, you and the 35 other dudes following the freighter around didn't manage to counter-bump a single machariel?
Asking for a nerf when you had all the tools (lliterally) at your fingertips is just another proof that AG have no idea how to play lol I really enjoyed watching you guys not trying anything for whatever time the provi was bumped (especially his corpmates lol)
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Rawmeat Mary
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
167
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:30:19 -
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Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.
With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.
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Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:36:13 -
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Rawmeat Mary wrote:Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.
With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.
But that's forcing freighters to use their brains and put in effort when its easier to cry to CCP for changes XD XD |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
3126
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Posted - 2016.10.05 00:05:54 -
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Rawmeat Mary wrote:Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.
With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER. But what if i want to auto pilot????
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Dom Arkaral
Axios
597
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Posted - 2016.10.05 01:43:06 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Rawmeat Mary wrote:Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.
With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER. But what if i want to auto pilot???? set shortest route, enjoy your safe flight :D
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
3126
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Posted - 2016.10.05 02:42:03 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Rawmeat Mary wrote:Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.
With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER. But what if i want to auto pilot???? set shortest route, enjoy your safe flight :D I've actually set auto pilot on my freighter many times. It's been ganked once and it was more to do with it being mine than anything else
Edit: I was at keyboard when it got ganked. messed up the web
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow Archetype.
1778
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Posted - 2016.10.05 04:19:46 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Rawmeat Mary wrote:Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.
With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER. But what if i want to auto pilot???? set shortest route, enjoy your safe flight :D I've actually set auto pilot on my freighter many times. It's been ganked once and it was more to do with it being mine than anything else Edit: I was at keyboard when it got ganked. messed up the web I think I was there and watched it happen, and did nothing.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2016.10.05 06:41:35 -
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Kip Winger wrote:As for your last snarky comment, its never just one more nerf, as the game evolves, tweaks need to be made for all. Just like when the online notifications got removed unless it was a 2 way trust... or when the crazy amount of HP was added to the wrecks, so wreck popping became rare. It goes both ways my friend. Of course it does. But those changes you cite were designed to improve overall game play and touched multiple aspects of the game.
You however, are asking for direct nerfs to the ability to tackle capital ships in highsec at no additional cost or effort for yourself. This will increase the cost and difficulty of engaging in highsec piracy for no reason you state other than you seem to feel entitled to move unhindered through highsec in whatever ship you want. How does reducing the risk to highsec haulers and giving them more safety for no effort or cost make the game better? It just encourages players to get more complacent, load more stuff in their haulers, and haul them AFK more often, and increases their anger when they do finally lose something to another player because they couldn't be bothered to protect it.
If there is a real problem (which is dubious - this more likely the result of carebear whining from players like yourself that has filtered up throught the CSM), it is that a single player can bump a undefended capital ship for hours on end in highsec to extort a ransom. So CCP is planning to limit the ability to bump-tackle ships indefinitely. They are not, as your OP seems predicated on, trying to prevent players from tackling ships in highsec at all so they have unfettered access to move their stuff around while watching Netflix.
This not a single player game. You are not entitled to free movement or have some intrinsic right to never be delayed more than 3 minutes. Well see how CCP implements this (and can argue over this then, and in the correct forum), but it is likely to just be a simple reset which forces attackers to maintain a point as this is the simplest way to nerf bumping without negatively impacting the rest of the game.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
985
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Posted - 2016.10.05 06:55:23 -
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Kip Winger wrote:So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today.......
soooo, just safe log off?
if you have no capsuleer or NPC log out timers, you'll be gone in 30s.
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Tora Bushido
eve corporation 987654321-pop The Marmite Collective
3481
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Posted - 2016.10.05 07:56:24 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:It was for about 10 minutes until his corp started to desperately try and save it. all manner of things was tried including logging off, webbing, threats, pleads about poorness. Was a good day all in all Cant remember, but I'll take your word for it. At least we had the intention to kill it asap. I'm ok with that.
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3524
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Posted - 2016.10.05 10:10:43 -
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if only ccp allowed people to have alts where they can have a look on the other side of a gate for bumping ships and pirates, that would literally be a game changer
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