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Nero Jove
United Wolfs Nations
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Posted - 2016.10.10 03:41:28 -
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Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1151
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Posted - 2016.10.10 03:43:44 -
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By CCPs outline, you would need to make an attempt to move away from the area, not just to other belts in the same system, nor just a system or two away.
If you move away and he/she follows, then that might be considered harassment.
Unless it's an issue that falls under rookie griefing:
https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1047
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Posted - 2016.10.10 03:54:01 -
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It doesn't really sound like he's done anything that crosses the line where Eve is generally concerned. You could send a support ticket and try that, but I doubt anything will come of it. As you stated, your call but the best action would be to either leave, ignore, or retaliate in game within regs if you fancy. Setup a suicide gank to hit some of his alts or something. You could try to bait him into a fight he's not prepared for. Who knows, you might actually be able to turn it into something fun for both of you.
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Nero Jove
United Wolfs Nations
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Posted - 2016.10.10 03:56:19 -
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Ugh the worst of all suggestions is always the one that feels like the worst. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18517
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:01:05 -
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Nero Jove wrote: The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. and complaining on the forums about griefing is what , being proactive?
have you tried ... you know ... doing something about it, like shooting him in the mouth?
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
497
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:07:17 -
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Nero Jove wrote:Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.
In general its better to leave to a more quite system with a lower population, you are going to get more scorn here then help, most people will tell you if you won't fight for it you don't deserve it.
EVE is pretty big place and there no need to worry about one system, eventually someone will take care of him, I personally have a fleet of duplicate ships spread out over many systems, if there's a disruption in one system I can move to any of a number of other systems and continue the mission, check his info, what was his past Corp, this gives you a clue about what your dealing with (birds of a feather). |
Nero Jove
United Wolfs Nations
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:11:34 -
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All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18517
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:14:34 -
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Nero Jove wrote:All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited. errm, guns work pretty well. whats he fly? how does he fit (you know you can scan his fit right)
do you know who his main is? if you do id definitly shoot that
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
497
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:18:09 -
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Nero Jove wrote:All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.
If you avoid being near trade hubs, trade routes, and go to a system far, far from large population systems, if you jump in and there's more then 10 people then its better to move till you find one that stays in the single digits, stay away from mission hubs, this attracts other cockroaches. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1047
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:22:28 -
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Nero Jove wrote:All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.
Don't know how helpful it would be, but I'll tell you what I've done to keep the whole "pack up and move" option from being s huge pain: jump clones. I've set up shop in multiple systems across High Sec rather than what I used to do when I first started, which was to merely turtle in one or two systems. When things get a little dicey, I can simply JC out to a quieter area, then back again when things settle down.
And, if you really stop to think about it, your options are hardly limited when faced with someone in an NPC corp, you just have to play by a different set of rules. You just have to think about how to use that as an advantage or against him rather than simply assume it will always be in his best interests and think nothing more of it. Just because he's found that works for him doesn't mean you can't turn it around on him and make it work for you.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5904
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:29:16 -
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Scan the ships, post the fits. Someone will be able to help you find and use the available tools like pyfa, in order to estimate the target's EHP. Then you build some ganking ships and start ganking the most valuable ships in the newcomer's fleet.
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Regan Rotineque
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:48:38 -
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Nero Jove wrote:Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.
Move....if you move and he follows you and continually harasses you that is different. You have a 'choice' to stay there or simply move on. But staying in one system and claiming they are not letting you play does not compute....you can move...go to a different system. There are literally thousands of them to visit and explore.
That or hire someone to grief him back, 10 toon ice mining fleet, sounds like CODE should investigate.... |
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
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Posted - 2016.10.10 05:13:42 -
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It's not griefing, the fact that he's brought in his own ice miners clearly indicates that he is competing for resources so stop playing the victim.
You have 2 choices:
1) accept his dominance 2) do something about it
#1 would result in you moving away #2 would involve learning about pvp/combat and/or making friends with people who know pvp/combat (your current corp/alliance doesn't) |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2877
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Posted - 2016.10.10 06:50:10 -
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Nero Jove wrote:All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited. Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
17741
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Posted - 2016.10.10 06:57:30 -
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Equip higgs anchors and outmine him.
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Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2878
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Posted - 2016.10.10 06:59:33 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:That or hire someone to grief him back, 10 toon ice mining fleet, sounds like CODE should investigate.... We are not your personal police. Also the OP has no mining permit. Maybe he should look for another Highsec elite-PvP content creator if there is even one left.
Otherwise he probably has to move or abandon ice mining. Or mine ice in lowsec where you can actually shoot your competition with a reasonable amount of fire power without losing more assets than the gankee.
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Escore
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.10.10 07:51:46 -
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So if like me you have spent your entire life in EVE just doing the industry thing... where is the best place to go to get PVP'd up so to speak, Or do I would I just gank fit a load of frigates up and go see what happen. Lets be honest frigates and there fittings are mostly free for me as I can make and fit them myself.. but when it comes to actually fighting other players with them I would be a complete virgin. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1607
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Posted - 2016.10.10 08:01:10 -
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Nero Jove wrote:... Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.
IT'S TIME TO GET OUT OF HISEC.
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Nahkep Narmelion
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.10 08:23:07 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:By CCPs outline, you would need to make an attempt to move away from the area, not just to other belts in the same system, nor just a system or two away. If you move away and he/she follows, then that might be considered harassment. Sounds from your explanation that it's a guy competing with you for resources. I doubt, based on what CCP has previously said, that it would be considered harassment, but a petition would be the only way to know. Unless it's an issue that falls under rookie griefing: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing As for how to deal, get together with others and bump his fleet out of mining range. Wardec him. Gank his fleet. Hire mercs. Do unto others as they have done unto you, but x10. It's the Eve way.
This.
If you have made a good faith effort to avoid this player and they are following YOU around and harassing YOU, then you have a case. Baring that, you have very little to stand on. |
Nahkep Narmelion
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.10 08:24:42 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nero Jove wrote: The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. and complaining on the forums about griefing is what , being proactive? have you tried ... you know ... doing something about it, like shooting him in the mouth?
This too...
How about you get in a gank destroyer and push in his poop? |
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Nahkep Narmelion
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2016.10.10 08:26:27 -
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Nero Jove wrote:All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.
Tell that to CCP which has been removing your options over time....your problem is not with this player but with CCP, IMO.
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Goati
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.10 09:35:45 -
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Nero Jove wrote:Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.
Why can't you just bump him back? Surely you can bump his orca or freighter back in return. You can even bump the miners. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.10 09:43:40 -
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Nero Jove wrote:Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated. Go to http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map pick a region and check the systems for Jumps in a 24 hour period, ship kills in a 24 hour period and NPC kills. Find your self a nice home, plenty come with free tumble weeds these days and set up camp.
You might lose a day moving but it is better than logging on to put up with some asshat. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1924
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Posted - 2016.10.10 10:05:54 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Nero Jove wrote:All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited. Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets. I'm not sure suicide ganking was intended to be profitable at any point of time. And if you make ISK other way then you have no 'practically ungankable' stuff.
It is even more possible in this case when people competing for resources. Then expence for ganking can be looked at as investment.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1026
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Posted - 2016.10.10 10:34:23 -
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Escore wrote:So if like me you have spent your entire life in EVE just doing the industry thing... where is the best place to go to get PVP'd up so to speak, Or do I would I just gank fit a load of frigates up and go see what happen. Lets be honest frigates and there fittings are mostly free for me as I can make and fit them myself.. but when it comes to actually fighting other players with them I would be a complete virgin. For ganking there is nothing better than reading up on CODE and what they do, as sad as I must admit this. They have great resources and intel about ganking and fits.
For any other pvp its very much a toss up in who you meet along your travels. Like real life its often your contacts and opportunities because of those contacts that give you social mobility at the right time. But RvB used to be good for tossing away ships, FW should heat up greatly as well and Eve Uni is still alive and kicking.
Other than that your learning to swim on your own by getting into the water and trying it out. So if you arent a determinant SOB who keeps trying most often PvP will chew you up and spit you out.
Then theres even other issues like what kind of PvP do you enjoy? Solo/yolo? Small gang? Large Fleet? Ganking? Piracy? High sec? Low sec? Null sec? Wormholes? Though some mechanics are the same there are a lot of subtle nuances to each area to exploit it and learn things from a brand new newb perspective.
But in the end theres only one way your ever going to learn..... get out there and START.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1745
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Posted - 2016.10.10 12:16:09 -
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Is this guy in a NPC corp? If not, this is what wardecs are for. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
17745
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Posted - 2016.10.10 12:30:38 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Is this guy in a NPC corp? If not, this is what wardecs are for. That would be too easy, but then he could always disband the corp he is in.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14812
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Posted - 2016.10.10 12:40:12 -
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Escore wrote:So if like me you have spent your entire life in EVE just doing the industry thing... where is the best place to go to get PVP'd up so to speak, Or do I would I just gank fit a load of frigates up and go see what happen. Lets be honest frigates and there fittings are mostly free for me as I can make and fit them myself.. but when it comes to actually fighting other players with them I would be a complete virgin.
After spending a year running missions and such I joined Faction Warfare when it was first introduced. I think it's still a very good stepping stone into pvp. There are high sec mercenary groups but I don't know much about joining them. Then of course there are the new pvp'r friendly groups mostly in null. Pandemic Horde, Brave Newbies, my own Alliance (TEST) has several newbro friendly groups, so do Goons and others.
And hell, you don't even have to join anything, frigates and destroyers and cheap and low sec is free lol.
It's easier now to jump into pvp than it ever was, just have to do it.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2886
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Posted - 2016.10.10 14:10:49 -
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March rabbit wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Nero Jove wrote:All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited. Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets. I'm not sure suicide ganking was intended to be profitable at any point of time. And if you make ISK other way then you have no 'practically ungankable' stuff. It is even more possible in this case when people competing for resources. Then expence for ganking can be looked at as investment. I did not say anything about profitable. In fact it is extremely far from profitable if the other guy is fielding a fleet of tanked Skiffs, so far in fact that you would infest a lot more of ISK into the ganks than you would cause damage to the other guy. And that's not even taking insurances and problems with sec status into account if some miner company decides they want to do something about the multiboxer.
There are also no mercs in this business, since the logistics and costs for something like this would be so high, no miner corp would pay it.
So yes in theory you can gank them if you get 15-40 people together depending on system sec. In practice, not so much.
This is a problem the Highsec carebears created themselves by crying for more security.
OP, if you are really interested in staying and want them removed contact me via evemail. But this will be expensive. There is no one else who is able to help you, so we kinda dictate the price.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2886
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Posted - 2016.10.10 14:31:34 -
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Escore wrote:So if like me you have spent your entire life in EVE just doing the industry thing... where is the best place to go to get PVP'd up so to speak, Or do I would I just gank fit a load of frigates up and go see what happen. Lets be honest frigates and there fittings are mostly free for me as I can make and fit them myself.. but when it comes to actually fighting other players with them I would be a complete virgin. Ok, so here is an example of what you can do:
join faction warfare and get some frigate you like. Then check the killboards and ask in corp chat for some example fitting. Fit it the way you think it makes sense, insure it and go out there until it dies.
After it died you analyse what went wrong. You adjust the fitting, read up on stuff you did not understand and then you go out there again. Also very important, try to contact your killer, say gf and ask them what you did wrong. They will most likely help you improve a lot faster than you would on your own and even provide their favoured fits. Also this is a good way to find a nice corp, because people out there are looking for this kind of player and not for some crybabies who curses them for blowing up their pixle spaceships :-)
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