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Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2016.11.07 23:34:57 -
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I think everyone is over-complicating this.
Just allow player corps to opt-out of the war dec system. IGÇÖd suggest putting a 6-month or annual timer on before the corp can elect to change status again. Inactive corporations would lose their status when the timer runs out.
We all know the war dec system is used primarily for harassment and that players who donGÇÖt want to fight just drop to NPC corps while placing and alt in their corp.
The whole thing is stupid.
EVE's player base has been cut in half over the last 5 years. Its time to be more inviting to a wider player base; EVE is big enough for everyone, including those who don't like involuntary pvp and gang r**e. |
Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2016.11.08 00:12:07 -
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Poor choice of words on my part Scipio, IGÇÖll give you that.
My point is, that a large portion of the EVE player base always has and always will avoid involuntary PVP. And another large portion insists on harassing them or limiting their access to the game's content to the point where it just isn't fun.
It was that way in 2006 when I started and still is today. Just accept it; and move on. "carebear" or "hardcore" they all pay the same money - to each their own I say. |
Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2016.11.08 03:12:44 -
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If you assume that no one will fight if the option exists to opt out, then the game is already doomed. That means that no one enjoys it. But GÇô thatGÇÖs not true, plenty of people do.
The insistence on everyone participating in PVP or being restricted is ridiculous and greatly limits the player base.
I have 2 main characters, when I log into one I have time and intention to fight with you. When I log into the other I donGÇÖt and just want to be left alone. I appreciate all aspects. And yes I'm still going to keep them both in player corps mainly just so I can have accessible shared assets for all my alts and a few friends.
Some people do just one or the other and thatGÇÖs fine too.
IGÇÖm not in competition with you, I donGÇÖt have the time for it and I donGÇÖt care. ItGÇÖs a game, a game IGÇÖve played on and off for 10 years. I play for my enjoyment GÇô not yours.
The sooner CCP realizes that, the better off weGÇÖll all be.
That is assuming they reinvest the money in EVE and not some other venture... |
Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2016.11.08 16:46:03 -
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To your point Daichi and yours Scipio about this being a PVP game and anyone who doesnGÇÖt like that is asking for special treatment I completely disagree.
I mean your right GÇô that is how EVE works, IGÇÖm saying it shouldnGÇÖt work that way and would attract / retain a lot more people if it was altered.
Countless options exist for unregulated PVP, just one highly limited option for those who want to just be left alone.
ItGÇÖs a sandbox, and to use the kid analogy a lot of people simply donGÇÖt want to play in a sandbox with their friends only to have their sandcastle smashed by a gang of bullies that they don't like and don't want to play with.
And yes, you can always avoid the war by dropping to an NPC corp, and losing (or pulling) their assets in space, but thatGÇÖs just harassment, its griefing. Anyone who avoids war obviously doesnGÇÖt want to play; youGÇÖre forcing it on them. The proof is in your stats: 70-80% have no losses, these are the people who have neither the inclination and/or the numbers to defend themselves.
You say GÇ£well just stay in an NPC corpGÇ¥. Oh look at this cool new feature, you can have a Citadel now GÇô oh, but not you; you canGÇÖt have it. A POS, nope. Just want to organize or share your stuff? GÇô nope, you canGÇÖt have that either. Not unless you let me bully you.
It's not just high sec war either, it's the griefing in general that the game embraces .
IMO, ThatGÇÖs BS; they pay the same money you and I do and are equally important to the future success of EVE. |
Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2016.11.08 18:03:38 -
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I do fully support unrestricted access to all features of high sec with the additional protection of opting out of the war dec system. That is exactly what I propose.
If you want action, great, so do I sometimes, thatGÇÖs when I clone jump to low sec or warp to a WH. -the vast majority of the game still accommodates that.
BTW: your name and signature are hilarious.
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Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2016.11.08 18:54:21 -
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IGÇÖm not trying to **** on anyone man, thatGÇÖs my whole point. IGÇÖve been playing this game on and off for 10 years and IGÇÖm exactly the kind of player YOU want to **** on. Your right about one thing though, "that type" is subjected to constant greifing and harassment and restrictions which does result in them quitting faster in general.
What IGÇÖd like to see, and what I truly believe would help EVE grow beyond its current entrenched player base, is the concept of voluntary association in high sec. You would be free of unwanted aggression (except for the suicide gank, which I would nerf but not eliminate).
Perhaps, once in place, a system can be implemented to entice GÇô not force or restrict GÇô but entice people to voluntarily participate in high sec war GÇô which can be quite fun.
Example: A war dec would require the sign off of both parties involved.
You can entice them with restrictions such as number of combatants of each side, maximum fleet value, or prize money held in escrow, a bet of sorts. A beginning and end with established parameters of win and loss.
The only other change that may need to happen if war decs were voluntary is planetary customs offices. Since its just one per planetGÇô having them immune to war dec may be a problem, but IGÇÖm not sure exactly how that all works, IGÇÖve never run one. |
Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2016.11.08 19:54:49 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
CCP's approach has always been that the more you want you play in the sand, the more sandy you need to be prepared to get. Inside the rules of the game that's not griefing, it's the game and it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon.
Can't argue with you on that one man; you're probably right.
I think its a dumb move on their part and I'll keep making my point too as long as this world exists.
Until then its going to be a slowly dying sausage fest.
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Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2016.11.08 20:49:57 -
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WeGÇÖve been over this; lot of people here enjoy PVP, just not involuntary PVP.
Just look at the numbers Scipio posted: GÇ£70-80% of all wars end up with no loss at all That means that 70-80% of the corps who are war deced avoid the war one way or another.
Add to that all the people who are in NPC corps, and youGÇÖll realize that very few people want to play with you. Probably because your harassing them.
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