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ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
146
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:13:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:ACE McFACE wrote: 1. CCP isn't an American company
1. Atlanta's still part of the USA, right? They haven't gone and seceded again? Those crazy Georgians... The Atlanta office of CCP isn't a seperate company, and if it is just in case im wrong its still owned by CCP Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
184
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:23:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:RubyPorto wrote:ACE McFACE wrote: 1. CCP isn't an American company
1. Atlanta's still part of the USA, right? They haven't gone and seceded again? Those crazy Georgians... The Atlanta office of CCP isn't a seperate company, and if it is just in case im wrong its still owned by CCP
According to US law, if your business does business or has Employees in the United States, your company has to either incorporate a subsidiary corporation in the state you wish to do business in, or you have to register as a Foreign corporation. Either way, your company becomes subject to US Federal and State law.
So, since CCP North America is incorporated in Georgia, it's an American company.
Now as far as I know there's no law requiring you to use local time in an e-mail giving away free stuff, so the guy you replied to is wrong as well. |
Radelix Cisko
The Forge of Willpower
3
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:45:00 -
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American here
Really someone is raging because they couldn't be bothered to figure out the date that London is in. Since internet spaceships is serious business I have been known to get up earlier to make sure I get various things set(skill queue, gifts, updates, etc) and I get up at 6AM -8 GMT normally.
GMT isnt really that hard to figure out and you could use the time zone box to figure your offset.
-looks at clock -clicks on clock -switches to time zone tab
Ohh lookie US/Los Angeles -8 GMT. London is in the future atm.
I only play games from the future |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
184
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:47:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:American here
Really someone is raging because they couldn't be bothered to figure out the date that London is in. Since internet spaceships is serious business I have been known to get up earlier to make sure I get various things set(skill queue, gifts, updates, etc) and I get up at 6AM -8 GMT normally.
GMT isnt really that hard to figure out and you could use the time zone box to figure your offset.
-looks at clock -clicks on clock -switches to time zone tab
Ohh lookie US/Los Angeles -8 GMT. London is in the future atm.
I only play games from the future
Man, it's hard to converse with people who live in the past. GMT -7(Arizona) here. I'd be happy to talk to you come summertime. |
Philip the Second
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.23 01:22:00 -
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To all of you people claiming US law is king. Try reading the EULA.
Section 16.
The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland. The EULA shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods.
The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland, (H+¬ra+¦sd+¦mur Reykjav+¡kur). You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland.
So no, your local laws simply do not apply in this, or any other EVE related matter. Timezone is UT, get over it. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.12.23 01:24:00 -
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Someone reports the happy news that they were able to get their gift thanks to CCP GM's being nice about it and you've got the usual chest thumpers on here gloating and disparaging others who don't watch the forum like a hawk.
That is why this community gets such a bad reputation. CCP does something nice for those who weren't as fortunate and you bring up BS darwin references and other crap. This makes you look even worse because if you claimed it this has NOTHING to do with your gameplay or account. Yet you forum warriors feel the need to rage about CCP being nice to the op anyway.
Unbelievable!.... |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
184
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Posted - 2011.12.23 01:25:00 -
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Philip the Second wrote:To all of you people claiming US law is king. Try reading the EULA.
Hahaha EULA's trying to pull jurisdiction. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
184
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Posted - 2011.12.23 01:27:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Someone reports the happy news that they were able to get their gift thanks to CCP GM's being nice about it and you've got the usual chest thumpers on here gloating and disparaging others who don't watch the forum like a hawk.
That is why this community gets such a bad reputation. CCP does something nice for those who weren't as fortunate and you bring up BS darwin references and other crap. This makes you look even worse because if you claimed it this has NOTHING to do with your gameplay or account. Yet you forum warriors feel the need to rage about CCP being nice to the op anyway.
Unbelievable!....
Once apon a time there was a man that lived by the river. He heard a radio report that the river was going to rush up and flood the town. The report said that the whole town should evacuate immediately. But the man said, "I'm religious, I pray. God loves me. God will save me." But the waters began to rise. A man in a rowing boat came along and he shouted. 'Hey! Hey you! You up there. The town is flooding. I can take you to safety.' But the man shouted back: "I'm religious, I pray. God loves me. God will save me." A helicopter came hovering overhead. A guy with a megaphone shouted. 'Hey! You there! The town is fully flooded. Let me drop down a ladder and I will help you to safety.' But the men shouted back that he was religious, that he prayed, that God loved him and that God would take him to safety. The man then drownned. When he got to the pearly gates of St Peter, he demanded an audience with God. 'Lord,' he said, 'I'm a religious man, I pray. I thought you loved me. Why did this happen?' God said, 'I sent you a radio report, a helicopter, and a guy in a rowing boat. What on earth are you doing here?'
CCP Sent you an E-Mail, a Login Page ad, a Dev Blog, and a Forum sticky. What on earth are you doing here? |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
206
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Posted - 2011.12.23 01:30:00 -
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Did the email from CCP specify a time zone or not?
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.12.23 01:31:00 -
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Ruby, What are you doing here? What does this have ANYTHING to do with you?
If you got your gifts then you arent affected. Instead you are just venting and otherwise wasting everyone's time.
CCP overruled you. CCP seems to not think your darwin references are relevant. Umad? |
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
184
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Posted - 2011.12.23 01:40:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ruby, What are you doing here? What does this have ANYTHING to do with you?
If you got your gifts then you arent affected. Instead you are just venting and otherwise wasting everyone's time.
CCP overruled you. CCP seems to not think your darwin references are relevant. Umad?
It's a pain to find my post, press Edit, and uncheck Receive notifications. It's easier to keep wasting your time with ontopic, rambling replies.
Just because CCP has decided to cave to whiny people too lazy to read the E-Mail, Login Adverts (I remember seeing them several times), Forum Posts and Sticky, Dev Blogs within a week and a half of them doesn't mean i'm mad.
(And if I had picked a marketable gift, the more gifts awarded, the less each is worth. So it would affect me.)
Finally, who's to say "wasting other people's time" (I call it "Contributing to a Discussion") doesn't provide me with sufficient pleasure to justify tearing my eyes away from the adverts on the TV? |
ISquishWorms
32
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Posted - 2011.12.23 02:41:00 -
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I just wanted to say thanks to CCP for my Christmas gift.
Happy Christmas CCP I hope you all have a good one. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:08:00 -
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You said if you had. That implies you did what many did and picked neural remap. Also the amounts that missed this are very low (I suspect far less than 100 will actually petition over it) combined that many of them will also pick remaps (Including my two) then it doesn't affect you. And even if it did the amounts added to the market would affect it by what? Isk pennies? Seriously?
Trust me if all I would miss out on was ammo or fuel blocks I would say "oh well" and move on. It is only because I will badly need the neural remap in the 2nd half of 2012 that I have requested CCPs help. |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:08:00 -
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More annoying is how CCP considers a month exactly 30 days.
Edit: don't mind the GMT thing. Carry on. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
604
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:46:00 -
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Philip the Second wrote:To all of you people claiming US law is king. Try reading the EULA.
Section 16.
The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland. The EULA shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods.
The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland, (H+¬ra+¦sd+¦mur Reykjav+¡kur). You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland.
So no, your local laws simply do not apply in this, or any other EVE related matter. Timezone is UT, get over it.
yeah... see that all looks nice on paper up in Iceland, but the reality is most of CCP's funding comes to their local bank account via American corporations (visa, MC Amex) who are known to fold like a cheap suit when the fed decides they want to exercise their muscles.
case in point, wikileaks.
just sayin, you can enter the global marketplace and tell yourself you are not subject to the rules of that marketplace, but it just doesn't work like that in reality.
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Hecatonis
Ascension Manufacturing
32
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:58:00 -
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Morganta wrote:hmmm, lets review
company sends American customer an email specifying a date of December 21st. American customer assumes this means local date time American can assume this because ITS THE GODDAMN LAW according the the United States federal trade commission. (and before you say anything you might reference your own wacky local trade laws over there in the eurozone, as some of them are dumber then ours)
now quit trolling, CCP is wrong just like they are 75% of the time
oh, BTW I got my gift in plenty of time, I just think this method of gifting is rotten
i think i did well. i got this far before i had to comment because you people are really just being ridiculous.
1) the world doesn't revolve around the US, or their time zones, do some math and problems are solved 2) they didn't send out an email to their American customers, they sent a communication to their entire customer base. this group of people span every time zone in the world, do some math and problems are solved. 3) Your "GODDAMN LAW" and ego can deal with it, coming in with my " wacky local trade laws" from canada, which are almost carbon copy of your since NAFTA, they dont need to do anything extra because it wasn't a communication sent only to you. the simple act of doing some math would solve some problems 4) CCP is not wrong, you dont understand how your own laws work. you know what would have solved this problem? some math. 5) An American customer might assume that this was local date and time, but that would be a bad call since they should have done a little math and solved that particularly easy problem. 5) why are you leaving it until the last minute? you could have done it 9 hours before the deadline and still be safe. that is a very bad habit to be in, also i have seen two title screen slash ads saying it was UT. 6) you hurt my head |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
104
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:59:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I think CCP forgets that eve time is not everyone's time
when its the 23rd in eve, its still the 22nd in America I think it would be wise for CCP to consider that not everyone in the world runs on UTC
Yeah this is just one minor thing that CCP really messed up on. They need to get someone with their head on straight in charge of this captain obvious stuff they keep messing up.
They hurt their rep every time.
And now force people to go to the petitioner system increasing their own workload that according them is already backlogged to hell and back. |
Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
2
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Posted - 2011.12.23 06:07:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Philip the Second wrote:To all of you people claiming US law is king. Try reading the EULA.
Section 16.
The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland. The EULA shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods.
The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland, (H+¬ra+¦sd+¦mur Reykjav+¡kur). You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland.
So no, your local laws simply do not apply in this, or any other EVE related matter. Timezone is UT, get over it. yeah... see that all looks nice on paper up in Iceland, but the reality is most of CCP's funding comes to their local bank account via American corporations (visa, MC Amex) who are known to fold like a cheap suit when the fed decides they want to exercise their muscles. case in point, wikileaks. just sayin, you can enter the global marketplace and tell yourself you are not subject to the rules of that marketplace, but it just doesn't work like that in reality.
Last time I checked a global market place meant the entire sphere... Not the little bit that America resides in... And compared to the rest of us, Yanks reside in a very small slice of the pie...
I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow...
Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail |
Ioci
Space Mermaids
20
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Posted - 2011.12.23 06:29:00 -
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I was surprised to find Aurum tokens that I could pool. 8000 in a can. I also caught the hover description on em. "redeem game time" |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
1274
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Posted - 2011.12.23 08:02:00 -
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On the whole tz debate... one could also say that those who are -12h also receives their gifts (and patches) "before" others just as they claim the gift-handout stopped before the time stated.
Either way I'm glad OP got his gift - I kinda forgot I had a few accounts active myself so I didn't claim stuff either
/c
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NereSky
Sicarius. The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2011.12.23 08:09:00 -
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Merry Xmass CCP
Remember you can only please some of the people some of the time and not all of the people all of the time.
Wonder if Santa got the moans you guys get at Christmas :) |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
191
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Posted - 2011.12.23 16:02:00 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:
Last time I checked a global market place meant the entire sphere... Not the little bit that America resides in... And compared to the rest of us, Yanks reside in a very small slice of the pie...
The Eurozone has ~330million people and is politically and economically fractured with quite a few jurisdictions all of whose laws are very different from each other.
The USA has ~320 million people and is politically and economically united with very few differences between the laws of different states.
Eurozone's GDP is ~$12 trillion USD while the USA's GDP is ~$15 trillion USD. So with that homogeneity to make doing business easier comes a bigger market to play in.
So I'd say the USA is a pretty large slice of the Pie (especially in terms of the MMO market), even if only for the fact that it is one cohesive piece of pie to the Eurozone's chopped up mess. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
554
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:32:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Raiz Nhell wrote:
Last time I checked a global market place meant the entire sphere... Not the little bit that America resides in... And compared to the rest of us, Yanks reside in a very small slice of the pie...
The Eurozone has ~330million people and is politically and economically fractured with quite a few jurisdictions all of whose laws are very different from each other. The USA has ~320 million people and is politically and economically united with very few differences between the laws of different states. Eurozone's GDP is ~$12 trillion USD while the USA's GDP is ~$15 trillion USD. So with that homogeneity to make doing business easier comes a bigger market to play in. So I'd say the USA is a pretty large slice of the Pie (especially in terms of the MMO market), even if only for the fact that it is one cohesive piece of pie to the Eurozone's chopped up mess.
Just because you managed to weasel pro basketball players being allowed in the Olympics and managed to have all airlines speak English doesn't mean you can suddenly become the new international date line.
Not going to happen. Get over yourselves.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Avid Bumhumper
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:38:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I think CCP forgets that eve time is not everyone's time
when its the 23rd in eve, its still the 22nd in America I think it would be wise for CCP to consider that not everyone in the world runs on UTC
No, they think that people should have no life other that Eve. They've never heard of players going on vacation.....
I did get my gifts, but to institute a system where a number of your paying customers get left out, or have to beg to get something that was a "Present" seems to me to be more of the same attitude.
"We are generously giving you a present for the Holidays, however you'd better damn well log on, or we are taking it back....
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
194
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:42:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Just because you managed to weasel pro basketball players being allowed in the Olympics and managed to have all airlines speak English doesn't mean you can suddenly become the new international date line. Not going to happen. Get over yourselves. Mr Epeen
Never said I wanted to be. Those of us who live in the USA and can't subtract a number between 4 and 8 from another number between 1 and 24 in the base 10 mod 24 system should HTFU and shut up.
I don't want to be the new Zulu. The Brit's got that covered, and have a giant brass ball on top of it.
That doesn't change the fact that US players represent a very large proportion of this and other MMO's player-bases.
--- the English as an international aviation language is simply because we won the War in 1945. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
92
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:43:00 -
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Qarth wrote:baltec1 wrote:Am I alone in still calling it GMT? No. I refuse to call it by that other name. It's GMT and will always be GMT regardless of what the other butt hurt countries that weren't the world power at the time it was set say.
The main reason that they shifted from calling it GMT to UTC was actually to help the poor Brits who each spring fail to notice that GMT (nor UTC) has daylight savings, while BST has ;)
And I have to say that I fail to have sympathy for anyone either dump or mentally restricted to understand and cope with international timezones.
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Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos Skunk Works.
3
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:50:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: Maybe American players should come to terms with the fact that they are not the center of the universe.
Why would we do that???
I have a feeling you're being taken in by foreign facts. You should only trust American manufactured facts. Stop watching the BBC and turn on CNN or FoX. Our facts are better. They make you feel better. They have more truthiness. Our facts are so incredible they make Glen Beck cry tears of pure patriotism.
You're probably getting your facts from Canada or some ****. |
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