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Gears InMotion
Twisted Monkey Boosters
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Posted - 2016.10.11 20:13:13 -
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Title says it all.
This really seems like an exploit. A non covert-ops ship should not be able to cloak and warp to avoid being pointed.
Just my opinion.
Please discuss.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1211
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Posted - 2016.10.11 20:21:29 -
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Lock faster, bubble better, or have a smart being BS ready at the other gate to pop them as they land. |
Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions The Amish Mafia
107
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Posted - 2016.10.11 20:22:35 -
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Well, off the top of my head I think there needs to be a counter for instalocking gate camps.
This trick (mwd/ cloak) has saved my ass, and not executing it properly has cooked my ass.
No everyone can do it , or do it well, or do it perfectly every time so "working as intended?"
Dan
Honey Never Sleeps. - John Russell
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore
1203
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Posted - 2016.10.11 20:25:24 -
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Its called a bubble.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.10.11 20:26:54 -
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Lol, the tears would be glorious, it would also considerably hinder travel not to mention be a small buff to hauler ganking, so while you're not wrong, it's still a no.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45134
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Posted - 2016.10.11 20:55:38 -
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It's just a good use of mechanics.
CCP even recognise it as nothing needing fixing:
https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits?flash_digest=6b1fe933009517f448183ec367b366bf58f754a6
See the bit towards the bottom about common misconceptions about exploits.
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Daemun Khanid
Calculated Miscalculation
643
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Posted - 2016.10.11 20:57:37 -
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Repeatedly stated by ccp as working as intended. Much the same way as concord response and ganking tactics. Funny how both sides have tactics that work in their favor and both sides complain about the other sides "tricks."
There should always be methods and means by which to force combat through sufficient effort on the part of the well prepared aggressor but there should also always be ways to avoid combat for the well prepared traveler. As someone else already mentioned, you can catch mwd/cloak users you just need to get better/luckier at it if you've been unable to so far.
Daemun of Khanid
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2016.10.11 21:12:13 -
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Aiwha wrote:Its called a bubble.
Bubbles only work in Nullsec herp a derp. Using a single area of the game as a reason for balance is stupid.
But the trick is semi difficult to pull of properly, and even being slightly off pulls you into insta lock territory, It's also possible to get close enough to the cloaked ship and decloak it before it warp.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6452
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Posted - 2016.10.11 21:13:38 -
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A fix would require the removal of the velocity penalty on cloaks.
That would mean all ships with a cloak bonus would also have to be rebalanced.
Don't imagine that will happen. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2437
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Posted - 2016.10.11 21:13:53 -
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Gears InMotion wrote:Title says it all.
This really seems like an exploit.
No, it doesn't.
Quote: A non covert-ops ship should not be able to cloak and warp to avoid being pointed.
You're correct, they shouldn't. Fortunately, they already can't cloak and warp.
What they can do is cloak and ALIGN. They then must drop the cloak to initiate warp.
Working as intended, get good.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
841
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Posted - 2016.10.11 21:19:44 -
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It was probably unintended at first, but since it's still quite possible to decloak one before it aligns I'm in the 'no' camp. Call it a 'surprise mechanic' and go on with your life. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
500
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Posted - 2016.10.11 21:20:04 -
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I've been working hard to become better at the mwd cloaky thing, it's still hit and miss, sometimes I get stuck with the mwd that doesn't shut down thus wrecking my time into warp, it's not the easiest thing to pull off consistently, mess up and your toast. |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
684
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Posted - 2016.10.11 21:25:51 -
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I don't get your point: Covert-ops ships can warp cloaked, non covert-ops ship can not. What some non covert-ops ships can do with the right MWD and good timing is drop cloak and warp after 1-2 seconds. If you see what they were alinged to you can try to warp there faster and wait for them at the other end of the warp tunnel. |
PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
139
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Posted - 2016.10.11 22:31:34 -
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Nah.
It's a completely fair counter to gate camps that requires to camper to employ countermeasures, and puts both parties at odds in a test of mechanics knowledge and piloting skill. |
Cristl
501
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Posted - 2016.10.12 07:26:41 -
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Piugattuk wrote:I've been working hard to become better at the mwd cloaky thing, it's still hit and miss, sometimes I get stuck with the mwd that doesn't shut down thus wrecking my time into warp, it's not the easiest thing to pull off consistently, mess up and your toast. If your MWD won't switch off then that's a bug to be reported.
You're not waiting till near the end of its cycle are you? You only pulse it once. |
Commander Spurty
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Posted - 2016.10.12 10:53:37 -
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Bring a bubbler and a competent decloaker.
Do you live in noob-sec? No one cares about your attempts to pvp here, if that's the case.
There are good ships,
And wood ships,
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Spurty
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Posted - 2016.10.12 10:53:37 -
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Bring a bubbler and a competent decloaker.
Do you live in noob-sec? No one cares about your attempts to pvp here, if that's the case.
There are good ships,
And wood ships,
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3562
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Posted - 2016.10.12 11:41:49 -
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working as intended, get better at gatecamping
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
49
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:15:40 -
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Weren't the T1 haulers rebalanced around whether they could cloak MWD or not? I remember reading that the smaller t1 ships could do it while the larger ones could not was an intended change. |
Alhira Katserna
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
2303
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:01:41 -
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Tears InMotion? |
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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.13 12:55:48 -
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It is not as overpowered as the cloak + MJD trick. After 5 seconds the cloak disables with this trick but you could make a command dessy unkillable this way. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.10.13 13:11:14 -
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CCP endorsed mechanics.
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Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.10.13 13:11:17 -
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Gears InMotion wrote:Title says it all.
This really seems like an exploit. A non covert-ops ship should not be able to cloak and warp to avoid being pointed.
Just my opinion.
Please discuss.
Well what about an instapop Module. It insta pops every ship you locked...... ****: you can't lock fast enough, too bad, it was such a nice wet gate camper dream...
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Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
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Posted - 2016.10.14 04:56:48 -
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A good intie pilot can catch a large percentage of them but that would require said intie to be good, be prepared and have practised. As we all know, knowledge and preparation is for boring people and most people are just too cool for that. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.14 05:19:21 -
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Done it right and lived, done it wrong and died.
From the other side, killed some lost others.
Working as intended. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.14 05:47:22 -
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Aiwha wrote:Its called a bubble.
Instant-lock Inties flown by competent pilots or instant-lock infini-point HICs also work, but takes some effort. There's only what? A 1 or 2 seconds window?
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
61
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Posted - 2016.10.14 06:23:14 -
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I don't even bother with that trick. OP is a whiner.
I just use warp stabs, the bane of every ganker ever. Lots and lots of warp stabs. |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
704
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Posted - 2016.10.14 08:07:35 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:I don't even bother with that trick. OP is a whiner.
I just use warp stabs, the bane of every ganker ever. Lots and lots of warp stabs.
Guess the OP thinks tripple stabed ventures need a fix too :)
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3567
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Posted - 2016.10.14 09:55:14 -
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if you stopped this happening then it would only hurt smaller entities trying to move around lowsec, dst's using this in lowsec is pretty important for some people who dont fly jump freighters.
-10 for me
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc Yulai Federation
68
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Posted - 2016.10.15 10:08:09 -
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They would just change to blockade runners, it wouldn't net you any kills. |
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