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Dex Cordell
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:44:00 -
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so if I read this correctly, me playing Hold'em with and for ISK is going to be shut down as well? I'm somehow failing to catch the drift here. Why would RMT require this kind of harsh measures against everyone in general, instead of applying the rules already in place to those caught breaking them, as it was till now? That's just gross... |
Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
145
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:44:19 -
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Question: Does this only affect gambling sites? or does it also affect any third party sites that use the API key of players, such as fanpages like eveger.de or the KOS checker for providence? because there you just enter your api key to verify your account and you gain full access to their services. What is actually the reason for prohibiting gambling sites?
And to the part with multiboxing: At the moment it is possibile to multibox trial accounts if you have multiple computers, is it then against the EULA to multibox multiple alpha alts with multiple computers(one per PC)? And what happens when someone else in my household logs an alpha clone on a different computer in while I play on my omega clone?
i'm REALY miss the old stuff.-á
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Cristl
501
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:46:10 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:I'm positively surprised and pleased to see, that CCP is able to execute some bold changes for the better of the game.
Though I agree with the sentiment above, that purely ingame raffles or bets should be allowed. How can you ever be sure though? The banned RMT-sites were accepting real money for automatic wins in raffles etc. How could CCP ever police and check that?
To be honest we're lucky that the rat ratted, even if many of us couldn't believe otherwise long ago. That idiot that whined his butt off on Reddit that he was unfairly banned, then posted screenshots of himself winning like ten 'lotteries' on the trot for however many hundred billion. No way buddy. Get screwed. |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
354
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:46:43 -
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Using red for both removed and added text is annoying. Could you change the colour of one so that it's easier to tell them apart ?
Keep the strikethrough on the removed text to make it clear that it's the text being removed.
Chan'aar wrote:Did you just make use of 3rd party gambling sites against the EULA ?
OMG first ! After Valve were told to stop skin gambling or face punishment, I'm not surprised that CCP decided to do the same before attention was turned their way.
Tipa Riot wrote:Though I agree with the sentiment above, that purely ingame raffles or bets should be allowed. If the authorities enforcing gambling laws think that ISK has an out of game value, then CCP could be in trouble if any minors take part in the gambling. |
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group
57
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:48:13 -
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Dex Cordell wrote:so if I read this correctly, me playing Hold'em with and for ISK is going to be shut down as well? I'm somehow failing to catch the drift here. Why would RMT require this kind of harsh measures against everyone in general, instead of applying the rules already in place to those caught breaking them, as it was till now? That's just gross...
I think the major bit of this is that it's cost CCP a ton of money and manhours to investigate RMT in the cases named, and others. Time and again isk gambling sites seem to slip into RMT along the way - and CCP have had to investigate. Not to mention accusations true or false on these sites having to be investigated. So why not save time and just cut them out entirely. |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:48:31 -
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Cristl wrote:I assume the 'we may purge accounts after 90 days of inactivity' clause is unlikely to ever be enacted, right?
This has been clarified in the OP
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Aknan
Engineering Evolutions Limited Badfellas Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:50:40 -
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07, i will not enter in a discutions about if it's a good or a bad thing to do.
but there is some gambler out there loving gambling, doses ccp think about to introduce this mechanic in game so they can have theyr drugs^^? (like a fully working woking station with some casino !)
The other things it's that some streamer will need to make money by there own now for pvp, and some how this was promoting the game.
that's the little things i saw that could be bad for eve |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
752
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:52:30 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Cristl wrote:I assume the 'we may purge accounts after 90 days of inactivity' clause is unlikely to ever be enacted, right? This has been clarified in the OP Much appreciated! I think a lot of us figured that it would be that way, but there's no shame in having a twinge of curiosity or even concern.
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Dr Minx
J A V A
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:56:40 -
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you cant blame CCP. If the gambling sites didn't RMT, they would not have been shut down, its their own fault |
Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:00:21 -
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Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
354
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:01:07 -
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Double post. Please delete |
Lady Aesir
Ghost Recon Inc
23
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:01:53 -
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Finally CCP puts the game back into the hands of players and CCP where it belongs. Please do not ruin it and change your decision when you sit down with the CSM They are only looking out for their masters not the normal playerbase. |
Keretech
Physics Says No Brotherhood of Spacers
0
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:02:25 -
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I agree with all this to get rid of these real money-isk laundering schemes....
BUT!
I am in game from 2004, now under this - if I want to take a break for let's say 6 months because of RL and come back - well - cannot come back because account deleted? All that work and and subscription for years gone ???? Really? |
Mester Dominux
Stain Security Forces X13 Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:03:07 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Cristl wrote:I assume the 'we may purge accounts after 90 days of inactivity' clause is unlikely to ever be enacted, right? This has been clarified in the OP
What about the question about lotteries? |
Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:03:51 -
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Momiji Sakora wrote:Dex Cordell wrote:so if I read this correctly, me playing Hold'em with and for ISK is going to be shut down as well? I'm somehow failing to catch the drift here. Why would RMT require this kind of harsh measures against everyone in general, instead of applying the rules already in place to those caught breaking them, as it was till now? That's just gross... I think the major bit of this is that it's cost CCP a ton of money and manhours to investigate RMT in the cases named, and others. Time and again isk gambling sites seem to slip into RMT along the way - and CCP have had to investigate. Not to mention accusations true or false on these sites having to be investigated. So why not save time and just cut them out entirely. Beyond that, it's a form of income that is completely immune to in-game interdiction of any kind. They have no stations to destroy, no logistics to disrupt, no ratters to gank. They were more untouchable by capsuleers than teh HK Fortizar. |
Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:05:50 -
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Lady Aesir wrote:Finally CCP puts the game back into the hands of players and CCP where it belongs. Please do not ruin it and change your decision when you sit down with the CSM They are only looking out for their masters not the normal playerbase. There is no way the Goon CSM members will lobby for the return of sketchy space casinos. Put your trust in us, fair pubbies. |
Katrina Bekers
Into The Fray. FREE GATES COALITION
263
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:08:03 -
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There are many questions to answer, but overall, a good step in the right direction. Bold move, and I'd fully expect an harsh backlash, tho.
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iam Evingod
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:11:10 -
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So do the changes made to the "Your Account" section no longer allow multiboxing if you are paying for them with PLEX?
"You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account, at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
THIS needs clarification. Legally speaking, this means no more 10+ accounts. If that is the case me and my alts are done. |
Jew Jew Binks
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:11:32 -
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"CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days"
this should only apply to accounts that had under 90 days of subscription. it would be awufull to delete characters with 15M SP or more. |
Dierdra Vaal
Interstellar Stargate Syndicate
355
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:17:49 -
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Quote: Ascension, players will be prohibited from using in game assets and currency, as well as the EVE IP, to take part in or promote gambling services or other games of chance that are operated by third parties.
To what extent are lotteries and such allowed in Eve?
I host Evesterdam, are we allowed to give away ISK prizes? Are corporations or alliances allowed to host lotteries, either interal facing or external? What about microlotteries?
I feel like "3rd party gambling services" is an unreasonably broad category, and is currently very badly defined.
Veto #205
Director Emeritus at EVE University
CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
Evesterdam organiser and CSM Vote Match founder
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Alan Mathison
Star Tide Industries Lin Kuei Kokuryukai.
66
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:19:16 -
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iam Evingod wrote:So do the changes made to the "Your Account" section no longer allow multiboxing if you are paying for them with PLEX?
"You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account, at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
THIS needs clarification. Legally speaking, this means no more 10+ accounts. If that is the case me and my alts are done.
This needs no clarification. It's simple. You may have 10+ Omega accounts online at the same time, but only ONE Alpha account. This prevents the horde of Alpha gankers we're all worried about.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1740
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:19:20 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:Can you elaborate on "You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for the Software"?
How does this relate to alpha and omega's? It is pretty clear that CCP will write some code to prevent another Eve client from being launched whenver an alpha account is running. How does this relate to VMs and containers?
If I run the second Eve account in a container or VM to circumvent the restriction, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC with a different public IP than the first account, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a pet, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a sleeping baby, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a spouse who really isn't playing EVE, is that a EULA violation?
I don't mean to be annoying, but people are going to push this ability to multibox alpha's as far as they can just like they did with multi-input.
You're NOT allowed to run multiple free clients, no matter how you would go about doing it.. Period. Stop trying to find loopholes.
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
325
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:26:34 -
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How will these new EULA changes affect Twitch streamers who occasionally raffle prizes off to their stream viewers? |
iam Evingod
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:29:48 -
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Alan Mathison wrote:iam Evingod wrote:So do the changes made to the "Your Account" section no longer allow multiboxing if you are paying for them with PLEX?
"You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account, at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
THIS needs clarification. Legally speaking, this means no more 10+ accounts. If that is the case me and my alts are done. This needs no clarification. It's simple. You may have 10+ Omega accounts online at the same time, but only ONE Alpha account. This prevents the horde of Alpha gankers we're all worried about.
It does need clarification. It specifically states you must pay for each account over the number one. That is the legal definition of what was posted.
Legally, in the United States, where I am based, that means that I must "pay a subscription fee" for each account that I wish to play on if I want to use them "at the same time". There is a very large difference in a "subscription fee" and using an in game item to keep an account in it's "Omega" state.
This needs clarification. |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
325
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:32:21 -
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Jew Jew Binks wrote:"CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days"
this should only apply to accounts that had under 90 days of subscription. it would be awufull to delete characters with 15M SP or more. Yeah, I am a bit concerned about this as well. I have 2 125m SP toons, and if CCP deleted my accounts while I was taking a break (which is inevitable for any game after 9 years of playing), I would be really upset. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14812
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:34:17 -
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iam Evingod wrote:Alan Mathison wrote:iam Evingod wrote:So do the changes made to the "Your Account" section no longer allow multiboxing if you are paying for them with PLEX?
"You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account, at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
THIS needs clarification. Legally speaking, this means no more 10+ accounts. If that is the case me and my alts are done. This needs no clarification. It's simple. You may have 10+ Omega accounts online at the same time, but only ONE Alpha account. This prevents the horde of Alpha gankers we're all worried about. It does need clarification. It specifically states you must pay for each account over the number one. That is the legal definition of what was posted. Legally, in the United States, where I am based, that means that I must "pay a subscription fee" for each account that I wish to play on if I want to use them "at the same time". There is a very large difference in a "subscription fee" and using an in game item to keep an account in it's "Omega" state. This needs clarification.
Not this again. There was a long thread about this in general discussion. PLEX'd accounts are 'subscribed' accounts. For purposes of the EULA, there is no difference between paying money for a sub and using PLEX for a sub.
It's a settled issue and pretty straight forward. |
Dex Cordell
EVE University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:35:10 -
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Brusanan wrote:How will these new EULA changes affect Twitch streamers who occasionally raffle prizes off to their stream viewers?
I presume the whole hassle about gambling being officially prohibited from now on (RMT and protecting minors, meh, as if the laws established to do that and to ensure that we raise our children properly did a great job ensuring it in the first place, but that's just offhand off topic and for a different discussion entirely) does not affect free giveaways of items as rewards for a given action, e.g. the rewards for people supporting streamers are not exactly a gamble or "game of chance". Same goes for ingame lotteries for items run by corporations, you're paying ISK for tickets to win ships, not actual real world cash. If you use PLEX to sell for ISK and participate, that's allowed, the RMT goes to CCP itself...:) |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1740
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:40:48 -
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Dex Cordell wrote:Brusanan wrote:How will these new EULA changes affect Twitch streamers who occasionally raffle prizes off to their stream viewers? I presume the whole hassle about gambling being officially prohibited from now on (RMT and protecting minors, meh, as if the laws established to do that and to ensure that we raise our children properly did a great job ensuring it in the first place, but that's just offhand off topic and for a different discussion entirely) does not affect free giveaways of items as rewards for a given action, e.g. the rewards for people supporting streamers are not exactly a gamble or "game of chance". Same goes for ingame lotteries for items run by corporations, you're paying ISK for tickets to win ships, not actual real world cash. If you use PLEX to sell for ISK and participate, that's allowed, the RMT goes to CCP itself...:)
Spreading a lot of misinformation here. In-game lotteries are no different that third party casinos. Lottery = game of chance. None of this was ever about players paying real money to play in those casinos. It's about the casino's selling the ISK people wager for real money.
Either way, ALL games of chance are banned. Until CCP says otherwise, that includes lotteries no matter how small.
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iam Evingod
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:41:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:iam Evingod wrote:Alan Mathison wrote:iam Evingod wrote:So do the changes made to the "Your Account" section no longer allow multiboxing if you are paying for them with PLEX?
"You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account, at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
THIS needs clarification. Legally speaking, this means no more 10+ accounts. If that is the case me and my alts are done. This needs no clarification. It's simple. You may have 10+ Omega accounts online at the same time, but only ONE Alpha account. This prevents the horde of Alpha gankers we're all worried about. It does need clarification. It specifically states you must pay for each account over the number one. That is the legal definition of what was posted. Legally, in the United States, where I am based, that means that I must "pay a subscription fee" for each account that I wish to play on if I want to use them "at the same time". There is a very large difference in a "subscription fee" and using an in game item to keep an account in it's "Omega" state. This needs clarification. Not this again. There was a long thread about this in general discussion. PLEX'd accounts are 'subscribed' accounts. For purposes of the EULA, there is no difference between paying money for a sub and using PLEX for a sub. It's a settled issue and pretty straight forward.
No, it doesn't. A forum post in a general discussion thread does not have any sort of button that states "I Agree to these terms". They are changing the terms, then we ALL will have to agree. When it comes down to it, I have to accept the EULA. IF it is not clear enough, and I knowingly (yes, I have a legal background) breach the EULA under these new terms, I can face punishment of some sort. The legal writing of the EULA is what is in question, not what people discussed on the forums. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
609
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:43:55 -
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Never a dull moment
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