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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
290
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Posted - 2016.10.15 14:52:39 -
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That's funny Chopper. ;) Mephiz said he's seen gambling destroy people's lives IRL, no comments on that. I'm basicaly saying the same thing, yes I have seen it too. Suddenly I'm a drama queen. Lol.
"When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them,
and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance
338
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Posted - 2016.10.15 16:42:25 -
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Toobo wrote:In addition, I'm pretty confident that you will feel the impact of such quantity of ISK removal from IWI ban in the economy. It will get mixed up with market changes due to November patches and changes, but it will contribute to movements in the market. Even for those who did not have their ISK confiscated, there will be plenty of multi trillionaires who look to use the ISK in game now that they can't gamble with them for lulz. Betwen my wallet and IWI wallet, the accumulated transaction value is around 200t since May. Of course, I do not have 200t in cash to pour into market, but for sure my ISK will rotate in EVE market now instead of rotating in a gambling site. I'm just a tiny little fish compared to EVE's old rich, and accumulated transaction value is not the same thing as ISK ready in wallet, but you get enough number of fish like me spinning that ISK on market instead of on slots, and consider the amount removed from the game, it will have impact.
I have to disagree, I don't think it will impact as large as you claim it will.
The thing is, people didn't gamble on IWI just for the sake of gambling. People took their winnings and spent it. They redeemed ships. They spent the isk winnings on ships and modules. We even had a guy say how he started to get into station trading thanks to the start-up isk gained from IWI.
All the ISK that flows into IWI, also flowed out. So the Trillionaires who were pushing all that isk into IWI, just had it come out the other end where people spent it on other things.
It doesn't matter if one person with a trillion isk spends it in the market, or a hundred people with 10 billion isk spends it in the market. The net amount is going to stay reasonably the same. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.15 16:57:11 -
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Interesting point Solunius, although I did not make any claim on how 'large' impact it will have, I only said it will have impact. The extent of its impact will be impossible to judge, as this incident is coinciding with other major game changes, so however the market turns out to be people will cite different reasons for it (as opposed to if we did not have any changes coming for a few months but notice difference in economy after the ISK removal).
"When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them,
and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2489
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Posted - 2016.10.15 17:11:11 -
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IWI getting banned was coming. It's almost as if CCP would rather not expose themselves to the RL problems in-game gambling is causing for the game industry or something...
Personally, I see getting rid of IWI et al to be a good thing for EvE. Sorry, OP.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1619
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Posted - 2016.10.15 17:34:50 -
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Toobo wrote:That's funny Chopper. ;) Mephiz said he's seen gambling destroy people's lives IRL, no comments on that. I'm basicaly saying the same thing, yes I have seen it too. Suddenly I'm a drama queen. Lol.
Yes, because of this Toobo wrote: Living in a community that was mostly on the wrong side of the law bloody irrelevant nonsense.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
291
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Posted - 2016.10.15 17:37:29 -
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Chopper, how's that different from this? I'm genuinely curious
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
I spent 12 years as a Barman in venues where there were poker machines and betting available on horses. I have seen families destroyed more than once. This has been followed by some 22 years, and counting, in commercial media where I have covered numerous stories of how problem gambling has devastated families, destroyed businesses and in some cases, dragged down entire communities.
"When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them,
and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
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Igor Kozar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.15 18:04:12 -
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After reading thru some of the comments here, I think it's best Toobo to lay this topic to rest. What was done is done, and there is no point in continuing to ramble on with it.
I stand with CCP in their decision to remove the blight from their IP, and as such I'm glad they did.
Your saying that this is a regression in general, I do not believe that for once. All of your statements and comments points toward a person such as you who thinks you have to have life handed to you on a silver platter lined with gold and that your claims are as such unfounded.
As far as I know, after the next expansion goes live in November, I see a New Eden that will be far more than you'll ever know in every aspect of the game. I'm not going to be sorry for you since you won't look past your own selfishness. If all you want to do is gamble, then I have no sympathy for you in this regard.
I have yet to seen anyone such as you that trolled as much as you have over a change that was needed to be made in order to keep from falling afoul of the law.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
291
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Posted - 2016.10.15 18:12:45 -
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Aye, Toobo signing out. Bowing out to majority feedbacks among GD population. I feel I got good feedback on how people think here, and I honestly didn't intend to troll, only saying what I genuinely think. I learned how some people think, and that is valuable so I thank you all for feedback.
"When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them,
and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1619
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Posted - 2016.10.15 18:17:12 -
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Toobo wrote:Chopper, how's that different from this? I'm genuinely curious Mephiztopheleze wrote:
I spent 12 years as a Barman in venues where there were poker machines and betting available on horses. I have seen families destroyed more than once. This has been followed by some 22 years, and counting, in commercial media where I have covered numerous stories of how problem gambling has devastated families, destroyed businesses and in some cases, dragged down entire communities.
Just realised somehow I remember you to be British, maybe you said so somewhere in some posts I read. In that case I think I'm pretty much set up as someone you will really hate IRL :p i learned my trade at the School that was headed by the brain behind Blair's Labour party, aka Anthony Giddens, and was taught by a person who got his PhD under supervision from Giddens. :p I fully accept that the School I went puked out generations of pompous failures that plagues UK in many agencies and corporations now. So I guess I will just leave it at that with you.
Meph is talking about his view of gambling as backed by experience in hospitality and media. You mention living in a community "mostly on the wrong side of the law" which is just silly. No i'm not British, you seem unable to see beyond yourself.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1036
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Posted - 2016.10.15 18:20:02 -
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Toobo wrote:I'm hlad that the discussion is shifting to more about eve and game mechanic rather than on me as a formet IWI player.
Highlighted the parts of why Toobo is posting. This entire thread is about THEM and only THEM. Its not about IWI or about game mechanics.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
292
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Posted - 2016.10.16 01:04:23 -
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Tl/dr for the whole thing before mods closes the thread as it has run its course
1. I defined 'regression' as going back to previous mode of social framework, as a technical definition, not in terms of 'worse'
2. People argues it's not a 'regression' as the game has gotten 'better', which is a value laden term, not a technical term
3. But it is a regression as one option of 'transcending' game mechanic has been removed for good, hence there is one less option than before, and CCP stamped their authority in a way that players cannot challenge or overcome. It permanently closed down one potential means of transcendence from modern frame work of the game world and mechanics
4. That's all there to it. When the definition is that "Now minus X Is regression", it does not matter what X is or how one feels about it.
5. Nevertheless, I appreciate the chance I had to learn people's feelings about X, although that was never the topic of the OP.
CCP can now rest in peace that although they committed a regression in their game design, people seem to be happy with removal of X, and hopefully this will benefit CCP in commercial ways.
Good job CCP for making a popular change.
Ta da.
"When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them,
and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1014
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Posted - 2016.10.16 05:11:54 -
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Toobo wrote:Chopper, how's that different from this? I'm genuinely curious Mephiztopheleze wrote:
I spent 12 years as a Barman in venues where there were poker machines and betting available on horses. I have seen families destroyed more than once. This has been followed by some 22 years, and counting, in commercial media where I have covered numerous stories of how problem gambling has devastated families, destroyed businesses and in some cases, dragged down entire communities.
Just realised somehow I remember you to be British.....
if you're referring to me, your memory is faulty.
I'm Australian. Although I did live and work in the UK during the Blair years.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18308
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Posted - 2016.10.16 07:37:59 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Toobo wrote:Chopper, how's that different from this? I'm genuinely curious Mephiztopheleze wrote:
I spent 12 years as a Barman in venues where there were poker machines and betting available on horses. I have seen families destroyed more than once. This has been followed by some 22 years, and counting, in commercial media where I have covered numerous stories of how problem gambling has devastated families, destroyed businesses and in some cases, dragged down entire communities.
Just realised somehow I remember you to be British..... if you're referring to me, your memory is faulty. I'm Australian. Although I did live and work in the UK during the Blair years.
Should have been clear when you said you were a barman |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.16 07:51:49 -
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No for some reason I thought Chopper was, not you Mephiz. Either way it was a faulty memory yes heh.
"When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them,
and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1014
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Posted - 2016.10.16 08:06:51 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Toobo wrote:Chopper, how's that different from this? I'm genuinely curious Mephiztopheleze wrote:
I spent 12 years as a Barman in venues where there were poker machines and betting available on horses. I have seen families destroyed more than once. This has been followed by some 22 years, and counting, in commercial media where I have covered numerous stories of how problem gambling has devastated families, destroyed businesses and in some cases, dragged down entire communities.
Just realised somehow I remember you to be British..... if you're referring to me, your memory is faulty. I'm Australian. Although I did live and work in the UK during the Blair years. Should have been clear when you said you were a barman
oddly enough, i never worked as a barman in the UK. worked on Fleet Street.
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
383
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Posted - 2016.10.16 13:52:43 -
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TL:DR of the OP by Darius Johnson: "Counter-Strike people won." |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
166
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Posted - 2016.10.16 21:49:50 -
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They killed your ISK faucet...
umadbro? |
Djsaeu
Mineral Void LLC Voice of the Void
24
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Posted - 2016.10.16 22:02:34 -
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Hmmm, After about 20 seconds I got a bit bored and fell asleep. Thanks for that by the way, |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
1533
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Posted - 2016.10.16 23:39:28 -
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TL:DR; summary:
"Betting on real world sports with isk so that third parties can pay their mortgage is the social evolution of eve, banning this forces us to actually play the game, and that's bad."
Uhhhh, yea, no. I'm going to have to side with CCP on this one and say that people should be playing EVE to play a game, not to make real life money, and not to benefit in eve when their favourite race horse wins. |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1015
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Posted - 2016.10.17 00:19:00 -
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This excellent article on Crossing Zebras should explain it all: http://crossingzebras.com/its-just-business/
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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
449
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Posted - 2016.10.17 03:37:01 -
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Posting in stealth Hillary Clinton social engineering thread to Make Eve Great Again.
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1017
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Posted - 2016.10.17 09:05:48 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:Posting in stealth Hillary Clinton social engineering thread to Make Eve Great Again.
kindly take your real world political bullshite elsewhere.
EVE has enough politics of it's own, tyvm.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Jesse Edwin Davis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2016.10.17 11:59:08 -
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So much jealousy in this thread, huh.
"Ban 'em, because they got so many billions of ISK!!! Gambling is baaaad, it ruin families!! EVE is DYEING!!!11"
People, you are hilarious. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.10.17 12:31:57 -
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Forum Rules of Conduct wrote:17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked..As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. #
As there is an offical thread on the upcoming EULA changes, I will lock this thread.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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