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Rosal Milag
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.10.14 18:34:50 -
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After looking at the changes coming down the pipe, I have rolled a new character that is exclusively for mining/boosting miners. My eventual goal is to move into a Rorqual to support my other mining character out in null. Until the skills are high enough, it doesn't make much sense to have the account out in null when it could be getting more income elsewhere.
With boosts going on-grid: a.) Do you think that miners will pay for a non-corp Porpoise/Orca to chill with them in a belt and any idea on how much?
b.) Has there been much study on the tank potential of the new boosters with regard to suicide gankers? I know that untanked retrievers are profitable for one catalyst. Given that afk Orcas used to be targeted and that the cost of the Porpoise/Orca is going to be higher when fitted, has there been a breakdown of what the minimum number of gankers you need to be worried about, passive or active tanking under the new stats?
c.) Is there going to be much demand for someone to sit in a boosting ship? Or will all mining groups be willing to sacrifice someone to boost with T1 links?
I'm going to either be mining or boost in highsec for the next few months as I train up before heading out into the black, mainly since a trial account can't be played alongside a subscription. Any advice would be helpful.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
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Posted - 2016.10.14 21:25:45 -
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There is a huge thread discussing this in another forum.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=494897&find=unread
Somewhere in there people are discussing the tanking ability of the new Orca and the number of gankers it will take to destroy a properly tanked one. However, if you are coming to Highsec to mine you should make sure you consider the political aspects of the decision along with the technical ones.
Ganking isn't the weakness of the new Orcas.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Rosal Milag
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2016.10.14 21:34:32 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: There is a huge thread discussing this in another forum. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=494897&find=unread Somewhere in there people are discussing the tanking ability of the new Orca and the number of gankers it will take to destroy a properly tanked one. However, if you are coming to Highsec to mine you should make sure you consider the political aspects of the decision along with the technical ones. Ganking isn't the weakness of the new Orcas.
Can you explain what you mean by political aspect and weakness of the new Orca?
I'll be reading through the thread linked later tonight.
My first guess at boosting in high sec is for CODE but if there is something else brewing in High Sec, I've not heard of it yet. |
Alicia Dnari
Dnari Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2016.10.14 22:11:51 -
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Rosal Milag wrote:a trial account can't be played alongside a subscription I'm not at all sure what you mean by this. |
Rosal Milag
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2016.10.14 23:13:45 -
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Alicia Dnari wrote:Rosal Milag wrote:a trial account can't be played alongside a subscription I'm not at all sure what you mean by this.
You literally can't launch a subscription with a trial running. So until I can dual box effectively I'm not going to head out to null with a newbie account and be dinner for rats.
"While we appreciate your enthusiasm to try EVE, we would also appreciate if you could limit yourself to using a single trial or subscription accounts only." |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
559
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Posted - 2016.10.17 17:39:26 -
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Rosal Milag wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote: There is a huge thread discussing this in another forum. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=494897&find=unread Somewhere in there people are discussing the tanking ability of the new Orca and the number of gankers it will take to destroy a properly tanked one. However, if you are coming to Highsec to mine you should make sure you consider the political aspects of the decision along with the technical ones. Ganking isn't the weakness of the new Orcas. Can you explain what you mean by political aspect and weakness of the new Orca? I'll be reading through the thread linked later tonight. My first guess at boosting in high sec is for CODE but if there is something else brewing in High Sec, I've not heard of it yet.
Sure! Always ready to spread information among the mining community on good practices and wise economic decision making.
The political aspect is, by coming to highsec to mine, he is moving from outside the territory of James 315 and into an area where he will be required to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct. One of the most common observations of highsec miners is that they didn't know they were subject to the Code until their illegal mining equipment had been confiscated. The political aspect of highsec mining I referenced was exactly this. Highsec is New Order territory and everyone mining in it should act accordingly.
The new Orca specs will allow a miner to tank the beast up to some 600,000 EHP. This will take a fleet such as the ones that kill so many freighters in Uedama. Its unlikely that a particular Orca pilot will find himself in the path of such a fleet. However, as I read the thread referenced, it becomes clear that the Orca needs to be close to the mining fleet in order to boost and close to the ice/asteroid in order for its drones to operate. I'm no miner but I'm hearing 50km. The weakness is glaring, at least it is to those of us who come from the miner bumping community.
A single Code Agent in a bumping Invincible Stabber FI can shut down an Orca boosting and mining by bumping it out of range. Emergent gameplay at its finest!
Hope this helps. Feel free to ask me anything!
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
576
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Posted - 2016.10.19 02:45:44 -
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Some players have tried to earn isk by orca boosting under the current system and they never lasted long. Miners tend to be cheap and there were too many orcas willing to provide free boosts.
I used to engage in some competitor bumping in the ice fields when one of the 10 skiff locust hoards would show up. It didn't affect their boosts, but it would disrupt their ore collection and ship positioning. It came down to who would lose patience first -- usually me. I think orca bumping in the new mechanic will be about the same. People will come by and do it periodically for grins, but since it doesn't produce explosions, kill mails, or isk to the bumper I doubt it will end up being more than an annoyance.
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
1535
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:16:56 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:Rosal Milag wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote: There is a huge thread discussing this in another forum. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=494897&find=unread Somewhere in there people are discussing the tanking ability of the new Orca and the number of gankers it will take to destroy a properly tanked one. However, if you are coming to Highsec to mine you should make sure you consider the political aspects of the decision along with the technical ones. Ganking isn't the weakness of the new Orcas. Can you explain what you mean by political aspect and weakness of the new Orca? I'll be reading through the thread linked later tonight. My first guess at boosting in high sec is for CODE but if there is something else brewing in High Sec, I've not heard of it yet. I'm no miner but I'm hearing 50km. The weakness is glaring, at least it is to those of us who come from the miner bumping community. A single Code Agent in a bumping Invincible Stabber FI can shut down an Orca boosting and mining by bumping it out of range.
It's actually about 43.5km with perfect skills, which includes fleet command 5. You're also forgetting one major detail: Members of CODE are just in it for the quick lols. Sure, you might get the occasional bump stabber like you do now, but they very quickly get bored when you ignore them and don't respond to any of their attempts to talk. Sure, they might disrupt you for 5-20 minutes, but then they leave. CODE pilots getting bored quickly is probably one of the most consistently reliable things in Eve, and one thing us miners don't do is get bored. So really, don't worry about them at all, a bump stabber provides no real threat to your fleet. |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
561
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Posted - 2016.10.20 19:03:14 -
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Arronicus wrote:
It's actually about 43.5km with perfect skills, which includes fleet command 5. You're also forgetting one major detail: Members of CODE are just in it for the quick lols. Sure, you might get the occasional bump stabber like you do now, but they very quickly get bored when you ignore them and don't respond to any of their attempts to talk. Sure, they might disrupt you for 5-20 minutes, but then they leave. CODE pilots getting bored quickly is probably one of the most consistently reliable things in Eve, and one thing us miners don't do is get bored. So really, don't worry about them at all, a bump stabber provides no real threat to your fleet.
The pilots in CODE. are mostly gankers so they do have a bit of an instant payoff attitude. I'm referring in my post to the original New Order Agents who made miner bumping a thing back in 2012/13. Many have moved to ganking and some have moved on but we didn't just bump for 5-20 minutes back then. If we had, there wouldn't have been threadnaughts like the one pinned at the top of Crime and Punishment. That thread was about miner BUMPING, not miner ganking. I've bumped miners for hours demanding they follow the Code and purchase a mining permit. It was and remains perfectly legal in game and I only moved on because of the explosion in Skiff usage. Which was a result of our ganking activities.
You underestimate why Agents do what they do. There are still many of us that are actually about saving highsec. This is a perfect opportunity for those of us who want to make sure the miners know their place in the highsec food chain, ie, the bottom. Time will tell of course which of us is correct. I predict the appearance of threads demanding CCP do something about Orca bumping.
At the very least, threads demanding that CCP do something about ME bumping Orcas.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5952
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Posted - 2016.10.20 20:37:27 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:At the very least, threads demanding that CCP do something about ME bumping Orcas.
CCP already have done something: they halved the mass of the Orca, and introduced a three minute bump timer on initiating warp. So bumping orcas will be easier, but only for three minutes.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
561
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Posted - 2016.10.20 22:19:23 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote:At the very least, threads demanding that CCP do something about ME bumping Orcas. CCP already have done something: they halved the mass of the Orca, and introduced a three minute bump timer on initiating warp. So bumping orcas will be easier, but only for three minutes.
If you think about it, that doesn't do me any harm. I'm fine with them LEAVING the ice field. Especially if they are easier to bump out again when they warp back. The Orcas I'm bumping aren't going to want to warp. They want to get back in amongst the little ones and stay there.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
656
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Posted - 2016.10.21 00:03:46 -
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Nobody pays for boosts..and nobody ever should.
But then again, there's always a sucker about.
Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..."
" They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."
Welcome to EVE.
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
1535
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Posted - 2016.10.22 06:41:14 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Nobody pays for boosts..and nobody ever should.
But then again, there's always a sucker about.
You should ALWAYS have boosts. If you just have 2 characters, and you don't have boosts, you'd be a fool not to pay part of the extra income you would make, if you could pay for boosts. Saying only a sucker would pay for boosts is the same as saying only a sucker would use t2 ammo for pve, or join a corp that has taxes. They're just parts of your cost factoring analysis.
You pay whatever will increase your income by much more than what you're paying, as long as it doesn't make the risk of doing your activity unreasonable, to state that you would not pay for anything in particular is just plain naive. |
Zetakya
Echelon Research Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.22 11:12:17 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Nobody pays for boosts..and nobody ever should.
But then again, there's always a sucker about.
Rorqual Boosts are not free. After the November Patch, none of the Boosts will be free.
Heavy Water and Boosting Charges cost money. Saying "Nobody should pay for Boosts" is to effectively say that the Booster should be forced to subsidise your Mining. |
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