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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8743
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Posted - 2016.10.15 16:44:48 -
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Interesting news afoot.
While I suspect we were all aware that the Sisters have been developing some novel technologies lately, that they'd sidestep CONCORD and a Society response to provide it to the big four is... fascinating.
Clearly, the game is afoot.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
604
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Posted - 2016.10.15 16:48:51 -
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CONCORD is obsolete.
"What you give to this Empire, I shall give back unto you." - Empress Jamyl I
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Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1432
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Posted - 2016.10.15 16:51:22 -
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Interesting. While also a little disconcerting.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
556
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Posted - 2016.10.15 17:47:43 -
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Having certain suspicions of where this comes from I am more concerned with the fact that they mass distribute tech that didn't go through a proper (and preferably open) vetting process.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
605
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Posted - 2016.10.15 19:09:17 -
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What vetting process? The one where CONCORD sits and deliberates on what path humanity can take? Where they make sure that they are not threatened and mankind not harmed by our own advances?
CONCORD is a matron-slave, deciding what is good for the child and what is not. Deciding what the child can know and what its interests can be. And like a child coddled by their nurse, it makes us weak and stupid.
You are like an old dam Jaret, worrying if all this freedom is really good for the child's development.
"What you give to this Empire, I shall give back unto you." - Empress Jamyl I
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2475
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Posted - 2016.10.15 19:10:05 -
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Is there any information available on how this new cloning technology differs from the old? |
Matar Ronin
2179
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Posted - 2016.10.15 19:19:01 -
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While I am less suspicious about the motives of the SOE, Concord demonstrates again it's primary function is just as a police force to contain capsuleers.
The big four develop this with the assistance of the SOE without Concord being in on it?
I guess one could come to the conclusion that Concord was too busy chasing criminal capsuleers through space to punish them, after the fact, to follow monumental events happening on the ground on multiple planets that will/could reshape the entire New Eden Cluster.
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" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
556
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Posted - 2016.10.15 19:24:21 -
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Ayallah wrote:You are like an old dam Jaret, worrying if all this freedom is really good for the child's development. Oh I am quite liberal.
Freedom is only good when applied wisely. I like to think that I am at least not stupid, but that's thanks to my status that I am able to think for myself and make my own conclusions based on the information I take time to look through, filter and digest. Many don't have that opportunity.
In this case I simply don't trust the source of the technology.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8744
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Posted - 2016.10.15 19:31:30 -
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Mr. Ronin;
At present, my only worry is that this was very specifically an attempt to curry favor at the expense of the Society.
And let's be honest. While there are murmurings about the Society, the Sisters have obviously and very directly been involved in the last several years' happenings: Sisters-developed implants recovered from FTL research sites operated by non-CONCORD signatories, Sanctuary colonization of a hitherto-unreachable wormhole system, Sisters-administered analysis of Drifter and Jove tissue samples with Inferno-style, Drifter-developed boosters given as the reward, and even their continued silent presence in the Drifter Hive systems.
Now, they give the empires a new, more robust cloning methodology, while bypassing the organizations who might be best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers of that technology?
Fascinating.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2528
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Posted - 2016.10.15 19:48:12 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Now, they give the empires a new, more robust cloning methodology, while bypassing the organizations who might be best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers of that technology?
And what exactly do you think makes CONCORD 'best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers' of this technology? Do you think the Empires are incapable of clinical trials? Do you think the SoCT can't conduct the same analysis as CONCORD? CONCORD is interested only in preserving CONCORD's power. The Empires have been best served when they have pointedly made CONCORD remember that CONCORD only exists because the Empires find it useful for it to do so.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
557
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Posted - 2016.10.15 19:55:25 -
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Are you going to provide us with your insightful 4 page analysis on how we are all ignorant of greater politics, Arrendis? Looking forward to read your next issue.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8745
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:00:07 -
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Arrendis, my suspicion is that the Society and CONCORD have, in all likelihood, more complete knowledge of Jovian technology, and probably Drifter technology, than most other organizations.
Certainly, specifically cutting CONCORD and the Society out of the loop was for a reason, and this is the most sensible reason.
Could I be wrong? Oh, sure, absolutely.
But it's not nothing.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2528
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:02:20 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Are you going to provide us with your insightful 4 page analysis on how we are all ignorant of greater politics, Arrendis? Looking forward to read your next issue.
I don't have to provide analysis of the things you're willing to demonstrate daily, Jaret. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2528
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:04:35 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Arrendis, my suspicion is that the Society and CONCORD have, in all likelihood, more complete knowledge of Jovian technology, and probably Drifter technology, than most other organizations.
Certainly, specifically cutting CONCORD and the Society out of the loop was for a reason, and this is the most sensible reason.
Could I be wrong? Oh, sure, absolutely.
But it's not nothing.
It's worth noting that there are no indications that the Society was unaware of this development. Only that CONCORD was. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8745
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:08:29 -
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No indication either way.
We'll just have to see how this develops.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
605
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:29:15 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Now, they give the empires a new, more robust cloning methodology, while bypassing the organizations who might be best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers of that technology? What indication is there that CONCORD without the support of the big four is one of those "best equipped." They are a policing and monitoring organization, only involved in research and development by proxy. More often than releasing new technologies they tell us we cannot have some others.
Enough of CONCORD dictating what the rest of New Eden has access to based on what CONCORD thinks is dangerous. Every time they decide to keep something from us it is only to protect CONCORD. The dangers are only ever to CONCORD.
Jaret Victorian wrote:. . . I am able to think for myself and make my own conclusions based on the information I take time to look through, filter and digest. Many don't have that opportunity.
In this case I simply don't trust the source of the technology. Which is the fundamental problem. We were going to receive no chance to make our own conclusions. CONCORD was going to make the decision for us, so generously sparing us the burden.
"What you give to this Empire, I shall give back unto you." - Empress Jamyl I
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8745
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:43:11 -
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I certainly have my reasons to question CONCORD's intentions and methods, but you guys make it a religion.
Bravo.
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:49:13 -
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Capsuleers - some of the most powerful people in the world - whining that they aren't the absolute most powerful? |
Matar Ronin
2181
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:50:13 -
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Concord has not demonstrated to me that is functions with the best interests of capsuleers in mind. Subsequently I do not readily accept them as knowing what is best for capsuleers. Keeping them out of the loop proves they are not essential. Arguing otherwise is just arguing.
When Concord proves otherwise I will revise my position, until then, I await them proving their current value to capsuleers. When they do I will be happy, until they do I won't hold my breath.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
605
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Posted - 2016.10.15 20:52:43 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:I certainly have my reasons to question CONCORD's intentions and methods, but you guys make it a religion.
Bravo. "I care less about this topic than you do haha"
"What you give to this Empire, I shall give back unto you." - Empress Jamyl I
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Samira Kernher
2885
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Posted - 2016.10.16 01:11:27 -
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Disappointing. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
655
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Posted - 2016.10.16 01:19:55 -
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I'll look back fondly to how being a capsuleer was like being an exclusive club of people that won the genetic lottery.
Nah, who am I kidding! This is exactly what New Eden needs! More capsuleers! People haven been negleting on their anarchy, and someone needs to pick the slack right? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1669
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Posted - 2016.10.16 06:00:11 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:I'll look back fondly to how being a capsuleer was like being an exclusive club of people that won the genetic lottery.
Nah, who am I kidding! This is exactly what New Eden needs! More capsuleers! People haven been negleting on their anarchy, and someone needs to pick the slack right?
Gene-editing for everyone!
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1712
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Posted - 2016.10.16 06:19:06 -
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Bizarre. The Sisters of EVE evidently have such a strong desire to increase the number of capsuleers in New Eden that they gave the technology to all four empires, then did not tell them the others had it. This naturally drove the governments of each to attempt to press their 'advantage' and rapidly move forward with new capsuleer programs to get the upper-hand on their rivals. Now, it is revealed all four empires are on exactly equal footing still. This basically did CONCORD's job of enforcing technological parity for them.
What could the Sisters possibly gain from this?
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8745
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Posted - 2016.10.16 06:20:43 -
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That, Lord Consort, is what we'll hopefully find out in the months and years to come.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1712
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Posted - 2016.10.16 06:24:08 -
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I would rather like to know right now. It is as though they know something we do not, and I have a suspicion is has to do with a certain force conventional navies have no hope of defeating. I can think of only one force that might be.
They need to reveal what they know about the Drifters immediately.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8745
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Posted - 2016.10.16 06:26:05 -
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Oh, I absolutely agree. However, the Sisters are even more taciturn than CONCORD, and that's saying rather a lot.
I suspect we'll learn more from the Society on this front, if the Sisters were attempting to sidestep potential oversight from them.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1934
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Posted - 2016.10.16 07:37:38 -
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SOE a humanitarian organization but not only, what would be there goal in spreading this superior/inferior technology to what we have used thus far. What would be there agenda, is it part of the original one or something more ?
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Matias Kurovassi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.10.16 07:52:45 -
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While confusing that the Servant Sisters who have been the harshest critics of the violence and death propagated by capsuleers to then provide technology to expand their numbers, I think in light of the Drifters and the threat they pose, more capsuleers is a lesser of two evils. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
330
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Posted - 2016.10.16 08:49:31 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:SOE a humanitarian organization but not only, what would be there goal in spreading this superior/inferior technology to what we have used thus far. What would be there agenda, is it part of the original one or something more ? That's the thing, organization that pose as humanitarian and actively helps big four with disaster aid and emergency coordination all of a sudden gives out basics for tech that surely be militarised, sidestepping the regulating body. First thing implies they see a problem with little or no solution without combat escalating and second means they are in a hurry. |
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