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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
936
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Posted - 2016.10.19 17:38:38 -
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Let's not assume that Mr. Victorian speaks for ARC or IKAME. He's just one pilot posting. Whatever insult given is his own.
As for the rest: it's too early for me to even get into it. I will say that it's generally a bad idea to insult people with super fleets.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
330
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:02:42 -
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Woah there slinging around that super fleet left and right, that's just not classy.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8770
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:11:29 -
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Arrendis; you are mistaken. We are continuing to use the Caracals and Scythes as a mainline with core pilots in Basilisks, as we have since the development of the doctrine. I wonder where you got the wrong impression? Maker, for that matter, not even Alizabeth will be using the Basilisks shortly, given that she's already shifted to a new doctrine.
So-- you're provably wrong twice over, and have used Kim's posting, of all things, as a goad.
So I say again. Let's let this lie. There are more important matters than your forumwarrioring for pretend Galnet points.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2541
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:29:14 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Arrendis; you are mistaken. We are continuing to use the Caracals and Scythes as a mainline with core pilots in Basilisks, as we have since the development of the doctrine. I wonder where you got the wrong impression?
From the doctrine fits in your own channel, which lists only Caracals, Bellicoses, and Scythes. You know, since I'm still in the ops channel, unlike all of the other people you forcibly excluded while telling me you hadn't. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8770
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:33:04 -
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Arrendis, please consult with Alizabeth before you continue on this path.
I again advise you to let this lie.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2127
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:38:02 -
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I wanna be in the OPs channel too...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1444
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:43:25 -
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I told you where to find it....... |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2541
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:46:17 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Arrendis, please consult with Alizabeth before you continue on this path.
I already have. I was simply answering your question. If you're using the ships, then by all means, please, continue to do so. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8771
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:49:38 -
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With material misrepresentations of fact.
But we're done with this, so let's let it lie.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
936
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Posted - 2016.10.19 20:02:57 -
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Arrendis, kirjuun, we've been through a lot together. So, please, when I ask you to let this go, do it? They do still use Basilisks. I know because I consulted with Priano-haani after they lost one: Darkezero's--who also flies with SERAPH. (More to the point, I offered to sell them SERAPH's Basilisk inventory when we changed doctrines.) Yes, I know it's a messy situation, but ARC and SERAPH are both fighting the same war. Sometimes with the same pilots. More to the point, the Basilisk was never open to all of ARC's pilots, only specific people within the Coord Team. That's just part of running public fleets. When a ship is mission critical, make sure the pilots in there are good. You don't let just any Goon in an anchor position, do you?
Mr. Victorian is a moron too stupid to understand who he is insulting half the time. That's as factual and blunt as I can get. He managed to earn the ire of Elise Randolph and now you (and more than a bit of mine, to be fair). But can you really blame Priano-haani for coming to the aid of her pilot? That's a very Goony thing to do. Help your people first; worry about right and wrong later. And, unless I've misread this, Mr. Victorian is not speaking for anyone but himself really. Write him off as an idiot and move on.
Please don't drag ARC into this. In a way, me leaving has worked out for the better. I can do what I want now with regards to ships, tactics, and doctrine with no one in a position to hold me back. My time with ARC worked out well for both myself and ARC. I got the skills, knowledge, and, most importantly, confidence to step out on my own. They got a working lossless doctrine and a friend that works with them on tactics. There's been a lot of back channel communication between Priano-haani and myself that hasn't been public until now. It's actually much better for me (probably Makoto) when we talk to each other as equals--both leaders of our own initiatives. Since SERAPH has not really been announced publicly, some things were left unsaid. Hopefully that will be corrected in the next few days.
To sum it up: ARC is good people that still use Basilisks. Priano-haani looks out for her people. Mr. Victorian is an idiot that needs to stop insulting people that can organize super fleets, or, worse in this case, Hole Squad. Arrendis is still my best friend.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
985
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Posted - 2016.10.19 20:30:26 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Frankly, I'm not responsible for your inability to use galnets. Next thing you'll tell me is that you don't know how many days a year on Athra is or that Scope News come out once a couple of weeks instead of each hour.
25.8 days on Athra, Amarr III
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Amarr/III |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2542
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Posted - 2016.10.19 20:39:33 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Woah there slinging around that super fleet left and right, that's just not classy.
Alizabeth Vea wrote:Mr. Victorian is an idiot that needs to stop insulting people that can organize super fleets, or, worse in this case, Hole Squad.
I'd just like to point out here, since this is now repeatedly coming up, that at no point have I threatened anyone involved in this discussion with our supers, caps, or Hole Squad. I did give Makoto a cautionary heads-up that Hole Squad had had reason to not hunt them, and those reasons no longer applied with Alizabeth's departure, but I also at least attempted to make it clear that I had absolutely no intentions of trying to convince Dod, Corb, or anyone else that they should do so. It was intended as 'hey, just be aware of this', not any kind of threat.
That said, Makoto, I answered your question. Now I'm answerined Alizabeth's. Don't feel like you have to respond.
Quote:But can you really blame Priano-haani for coming to the aid of her pilot?
No. I don't blame her at all for coming to the aid of her pilot. That doesn't mean I'm going to just sit there and take it when she comes in saying 'we all should just calm down and relax' and then immediately follows up with saying that I've been the one who 'was profligate with insults' when I hadn't actually insulted her pilot, but he'd sure as feck insulted me. You called him foolish. Elmund said he was procrastinating and suffering from cognitive dissonance. What did I say to insult him? That he was 'amazingly superior'? But I'm the one who was 'recklessly extravagant or wasteful' with the insults?
I don't blame her for coming to the aid of her pilot. But I most certainly reserve the right to blame her for lying about me because it's a lot easier to 'grr goons' than address that her pilot's being demonstrably proven wrong by at least two other people she can't just whip up public sentiment against for the high crime of their alliance affiliations.
And even at that point, if she's using those basilisks, then I'm more than happy to see them used. And when they get blown up, I'll even honor my commitment to replace the bloody things, because I said I would. As far as I'm concerned, the matter's settled. That doesn't mean that if someone asks me a damned question, I'm not going to answer it for fear of 'oh no, you're talking about the incident!!', though.
Anyone who expects that should just cancel their clone contracts and shoot themselves in the head.
So, you asked. I answered. If you want to let this lie, stop asking the freaking questions. |
Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
938
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Posted - 2016.10.19 20:44:20 -
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It is my fault with regards to the super fleet. It was more of an illustration about the power null blocs have. Pilots like Arrendis and Elise Randolph are generally pilots one should go out of their way to avoid insulting. Arrendis has made no threats. So, I apologize if I sounded like I was making one for her.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2128
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Posted - 2016.10.19 20:46:44 -
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What questions?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2542
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Posted - 2016.10.19 21:17:37 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:What questions?
The ones I quoted. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1688
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Posted - 2016.10.20 02:59:47 -
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I am not going to ask for any forgiveness or excuse my behaviour.
I absolutely despise it when someone makes a claim they can't back up. I also have many other things that I absolutely despise. Do any of these and I am liable to fly off the handle.
This is my biggest beef with Jaret. He made a claim he can't back up, deflects or misdirects when challenged to back up said claim and won't stop doing it. Either apologise or shut up. I accept 'shutting up' as an acknowledgement of being wrong because I am well aware that some people are just too damned prideful to ever say 'Oh, I made a mistake, my bad.'
The last part is directed to some people. You know who you are. Or you don't because you are a blind hypocritical f--kwit.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
939
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Posted - 2016.10.20 05:36:32 -
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I think that we all need to stop taking the IGS so seriously. The IGS is for posting genocidal songs, insulting poems, press releases (that might actually be serious), pseudoposturing, Diana Kim to explain that this reason is why the Federation should be destroyed, nitpicks, insults, gossip and serial commas.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1713
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Posted - 2016.10.20 05:38:47 -
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Never forgive, never forget.
With the GrudgeMaster3000, the new personal grudge management assistant, from Kaalakiota !
Keep track of all the insults, slights, affronts, and beefs, that you have with everyone and anyone, arranged in an easy-to-read format !
With the GrudgeMaster3000, you too can bear grudges like a champion.
GrudgeMaster3000, coming soon to an electronics outlet near you*.
*Not for sale in the Federation.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
939
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Posted - 2016.10.20 05:51:54 -
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I don't know if the comma after beefs is supposed to be intentional and therefore funny, or not. I am going to assume it was and chuckle.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1690
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:23:28 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Never forgive, never forget.
With the GrudgeMaster3000, the new personal grudge management assistant, from Kaalakiota !
Keep track of all the insults, slights, affronts, and beefs, that you have with everyone and anyone, arranged in an easy-to-read format !
With the GrudgeMaster3000, you too can bear grudges like a champion.
GrudgeMaster3000, coming soon to an electronics outlet near you*.
*Not for sale in the Federation.
I order 20. I happen to be in Jita right now.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
2005
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:07:20 -
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Serial commas;
I've already advanced into the realm of serial semicolons;
When posting on the IGS. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
659
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Posted - 2016.10.20 11:59:08 -
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Hey, there's no more sophisticated a punctuation mark than the semicolon; It can make even the most baseless statements appear to segue elegantly into an intellectual conclusion.
I should know - I use it all the time. (Also hyphens - You can't go wrong with a hyphen.) |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1432
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Posted - 2016.10.20 12:13:49 -
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Well the last few pages of this thread was a heap of ****.
Anyways, on the topic of the Sisters I'd prefer they leave the power balancing and cloak and dagger games to CONCORD. Not because I trust them, but because I'm a little more familiar with them then the Sisters (devil you know and all that) so I'd support the OP's petition on that principle.
As for Jaret, it's a habit of his to rail against the infamous Capsuleers among us. Saying Jaret likes to throw petty insults at warlord Capsuleers without backing said words on the field of battle is like calling water wet. I believe it's brought IKAME to uncomfortable positions on more then one occassion, but to her credit Ms Priano defends her own.
Finally we have commas and semicolons. Personally I prefer words, I'm sure my grammatical abilities, or lack there of, have had many a Gramma-Provist gouging their eyes out. I'm almost proud of that.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2888
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:19:27 -
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Adding my couple of coins, on one hand I'd like to praise Mr. Victorian for his ability to actually appear and bear responsibility for his words in person. But on the other hand, I feel deep frustration seeing that he was stepping on same rakes again. I can't estimate his professionalism in his area and how valuable worker it is, but stepping on the same rakes again and again is not something a wise man would do.
Mr. Victorian. Stop and look back before continuing, you are walking on a narrow ledge. One wrong step and you'll fall down... on Priano's head.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative Moist.
180
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:47:09 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Anyways, on the topic of the Sisters I'd prefer they leave the power balancing and cloak and dagger games to CONCORD. Not because I trust them, but because I'm a little more familiar with them then the Sisters (devil you know and all that) so I'd support the OP's petition on that principle.
I'm personally more likely to put my faith in the Sisters than CONCORD, but perhaps that is because I have the opposite perspective. I've witnessed first hand the good work of the Servant Sisters. Food Relief convoys were a common sight in the Intaki colonies while I was growing up and like many on my home world I attended a school run by the SOE. Do they have an agenda? Well obviously, who in the cluster doesn't? That said, I have faith that as long as they are operating in line with the mandates they have set for themselves then whatever they are doing is in the best interest of the inhabitants of New Eden.
CONCORD on the other hand seem to be having an increasingly difficult time maintaining the balance of power. They failed to keep the peace between the "Big Four," though they were able to keep the fighting out of high security space, and they are still reeling from the blow they received 8 years ago in the Elder War. Their grip on the cluster's governments is slipping and with these new developments it seems as though their control over capsuleers is weakening as well.
As for information sharing with the Society, I would imagine as members of the Inner Circle they were present at the AG12 assembly which affirmed the legality of the new cloning tech, so I would further extrapolate that they have access to technical specification of this new technology. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1715
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Posted - 2016.10.20 16:48:52 -
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Persephone Alleile wrote:I've witnessed first hand the good work of the Servant Sisters. Food Relief convoys were a common sight in the Intaki colonies while I was growing up and like many on my home world I attended a school run by the SOE. Do they have an agenda? Well obviously, who in the cluster doesn't? That said, I have faith that as long as they are operating in line with the mandates they have set for themselves then whatever they are doing is in the best interest of the inhabitants of New Eden.
You are aware that Food Relief is quite political in its scheduling of aid convoys, delaying shipments to one side in a conflict, so that the other side can make territorial gains, that kind of thing, right ?
And, well, you see.... about the SOE agenda....
They believe that God lives on the other side of the "EVE Gate", and that by careful study of the Gate, they can re-activate it, allowing God into New Eden, which they think will bring about a new age of peace and harmony amongst the people of New Eden.
But see.... that's what in Amarr theology, is called The End Times. When God arrives to Judge everyone and everything, and destroying all the Sinners and the Wicked. The Righteous would be Saved, of course.
So, while there might be a "age of peace and harmony", then... only a handful of people are going to experience that peace and harmony.
Everyone else, is going to be Judged. Including the Sisters.
I'm fairly sure a great number of other people would be rather annoyed at this kind of thing happening, the End Times are somewhat of an inconvenience to everyone.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2547
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Posted - 2016.10.20 17:12:22 -
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So?
Not to be indelicate or disrespectful, but by and large, the people who believe in God tend (tend) to view themselves as among 'the righteous'. If they don't, they're usually striving for it.
The rest of us, the people who don't believe in God... why would we care what the Amarr say will happen upon the arrival of the non-existent being the Sisters think lives on the other side of the EVE Gate arrives? We don't believe it exists. If it doesn't exist, it doesn't matter how hard the Sisters work to get it to show up, it won't show up, and it can't end all of existence...
... because it doesn't exist.
Which means there are no 'End Times' to be inconvenienced by.
So why should we care? You might as well issue dire warnings about how the Sisters plan is to study hard vacuum so they can figure out which way they need to stand so they can survive naked in the depths of space. It's not going to happen. So let them stare at the damned thing. Doesn't matter. |
Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative Moist.
182
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Posted - 2016.10.20 17:26:48 -
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It is difficult for me to come to grips with the concept of the End Times. the Ida teaches us that there are no endings, only cycles within cycles. One lives and dies many times until the soul has achieved perfection and "graduates" from the school of life, achieving liberation from the cycle of life and death. This cycle of death and rebirth in the individual is reflected in the larger cycles of societies, civilizations and even humanity as a whole.
The EVE Gate certainly is a key to our past and thus our future; it is the oldest thing in the archeological record, predating all known civilizations. It may very well have been the catalyst that set in motion the current cycle of our existence as the Sisters believe and therefore it may also be what brings this cycle to an end. I can see how this idea could be disconcerting, but to me and end is simply a new beginning and when the time is right the current chapter in the story of humanity will end and another will begin.
As the old Intaki saying goes, never have we not existed, nor will we ever cease to exist. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1715
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Posted - 2016.10.20 18:16:20 -
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Well, even if you disregard the theological aspects of what might happen should the SOE activate the Gate, there is one thing you should keep in mind.
The Gate is a Door.
And what happens if you open a door ?
Spiders.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Jjaro Durandal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2016.10.20 18:29:06 -
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So the SOE gave mil-spec cloning tech to the Four. While doing so they conveniently 'forgot' to tell each; the others were getting it. Regrettably this led to CONCORD not being informed, because OPSEC. Now rustled, CONCORD makes them spill the beans. The SOE advance their goals of opening the EVE Gate.
I feel I'm missing something. |
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