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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:01:00 -
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Irrational market behavior? At some point all there was is a 800isk 3.5m volume order. Then people started buying from there, now up to 1073.. What?
Uncertainty you say? Hydrogen is equally uncertain now, why isn't it the same price as oxygen?
Ok, maybe people are still cautious and the supply just isn't back yet. Or the prices are just arbitrary? |
Roger 343
Galactic Waste Management EVE Trade Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:09:00 -
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The bit your missing is that supply is still low compared with demend
And even if every one starts minign it they will still be affer the top price in addition with no large stockpiles the pressure is still upwards |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
11
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:50:00 -
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We're goons. Ergo, people think that the internal announcement that the interdiction was ending, never [i]technically[/] intended for public distribution, is all an elaborate head fake, meant to crash prices while simultaneously luring bo...err, automated mining individuals...back out into the open so we can re-buy and go on another killing spree.
As a result, the automated mining individuals as well as their uncommon manual breatheren have been slow to return. Combine that with automated market individuals playing the margin despite price falls, and it helps keep the price high because of pressure on the buy order side of things. There's also somewhat less demand now than there was before the interdiction, as all those empire based gallente towers are now empire based caldari towers instead.
But, people will switch back, botters will start mining again, and the price will continue to drop. Give it time. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1887
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:51:00 -
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no see the ice interdiction was all speculation :sun: |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1075
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:38:00 -
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Haha there never was an interdiction! The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Intar Medris
Globaltech Industries Sanctuary Pact
7
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:54:00 -
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In an attempt to hurt Ice miners Goons may have inadvertently helped them.... Well atleast those smart enough to stay out of Gallente space. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
11
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:58:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:In an attempt to hurt Ice miners Goons may have inadvertently helped them.... Well atleast those smart enough to stay out of Gallente space.
You can't find gallente ice anywhere but gallente space (well, and 0.0) |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2011.12.23 08:21:00 -
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Ice miners tend to be, by definition, not the brightest tools in the box. But they do react to "external stimuli". If their shiny Mackinaw got blown up 2-3 times by Goons they probably read up a bit and figured out that, yes, they can mine in peace as long as they don't mine in Gallente ice fields.
So they moved.
Yet, being not-so-shiny and bright, they are now probably grinding up other ice and again won't move or stop unless some external force pokes them to do so. "Looking up market prices for each ice type" is far too advanced for them.
So, there is a considerable lack of Oxygen Isotope producers. Even if Goons would no longer do ganks, there is definitely going to be a long delay before Mackinaws chomp up the related ice in mass quantities.
...and until there is a lot of supply, there is no reason for the price to go down. Clearly there are buyers at the current level. Could be another month or two before the price gets to 500ISK/u level and that assumes at least some ice miners are smart enough to go mine the stuff that gives most ISK.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
255
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Posted - 2011.12.23 08:48:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Irrational market behavior? At some point all there was is a 800isk 3.5m volume order. Then people started buying from there, now up to 1073.. What?
Uncertainty you say? Hydrogen is equally uncertain now, why isn't it the same price as oxygen?
Ok, maybe people are still cautious and the supply just isn't back yet. Or the prices are just arbitrary? MAby we are the only people that know it, other may think goons still gank ice miners |
Intar Medris
Globaltech Industries Sanctuary Pact
7
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Posted - 2011.12.23 21:46:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Intar Medris wrote:In an attempt to hurt Ice miners Goons may have inadvertently helped them.... Well atleast those smart enough to stay out of Gallente space. You can't find gallente ice anywhere but gallente space (well, and 0.0)
Exactly.. stay out of Gallente, and wait for the storm to end then take advantage of the situation. All the other isotopes will plummet from over supply while Oxygen will skyrocket from under supply. |
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Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
18
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:32:00 -
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Maybe people realised that mining ice is REALLY FREAKING BORING and won't go back?
Mind you, the only reason I haven't done any mining is because of skyrim and saints row 3. Mining, or stabbing things, or being a gangsta on shrooms. |
Intar Medris
Globaltech Industries Sanctuary Pact
7
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:37:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Maybe people realised that mining ice is REALLY FREAKING BORING and won't go back?
Mind you, the only reason I haven't done any mining is because of skyrim and saints row 3. Mining, or stabbing things, or being a gangsta on shrooms.
Yeah at 9 mins/cycle to say it is boring is an understatement. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
12
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Posted - 2011.12.24 18:17:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:corestwo wrote:Intar Medris wrote:In an attempt to hurt Ice miners Goons may have inadvertently helped them.... Well atleast those smart enough to stay out of Gallente space. You can't find gallente ice anywhere but gallente space (well, and 0.0) Exactly.. stay out of Gallente, and wait for the storm to end then take advantage of the situation. All the other isotopes will plummet from over supply while Oxygen will skyrocket from under supply.
Other than the fact that hydrogen is level and helium is actually going up in price, you mean? |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2011.12.24 19:28:00 -
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Bots are slow to both relocate when we kill them and come back when we quit killing them. Oxytopes are doomed to have a slow downward trend. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
201
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Posted - 2011.12.24 20:03:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Haha there never was an interdiction!
We have always been at war with EastAsia. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
217
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Posted - 2011.12.24 21:24:00 -
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I like Ike |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
22
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Posted - 2011.12.25 17:26:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Haha there never was an interdiction!
Wow, really? I can come out in my officer fit mack? Why thanks guys!
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Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
265
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:03:00 -
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Interestingly, while oxytopes are not coming down, the gallente fuel blocks are selling below market cost. They are priced as if oxytopes were at 700-800 instead of 1100. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:22:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:Interestingly, while oxytopes are not coming down, the gallente fuel blocks are selling below market cost. They are priced as if oxytopes were at 700-800 instead of 1100.
Blocks from Christmas gifts, predicting future Oxytope prices when blocks become relevant a month from now? |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
265
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:34:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Jack Dant wrote:Interestingly, while oxytopes are not coming down, the gallente fuel blocks are selling below market cost. They are priced as if oxytopes were at 700-800 instead of 1100. Blocks from Christmas gifts, predicting future Oxytope prices when blocks become relevant a month from now? Ah, good point, I was wondering why so many orders were exactly 1000 units . Still, the cost of building a gallente block at current buy order prices is 19,180 isk, and there is a big mass of orders at 18,000-19,000. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:47:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Jack Dant wrote:Interestingly, while oxytopes are not coming down, the gallente fuel blocks are selling below market cost. They are priced as if oxytopes were at 700-800 instead of 1100. Blocks from Christmas gifts, predicting future Oxytope prices when blocks become relevant a month from now? Ah, good point, I was wondering why so many orders were exactly 1000 units . Still, the cost of building a gallente block at current buy order prices is 19,180 isk, and there is a big mass of orders at 18,000-19,000.
Sellers know that by the time blocks are consumed, the price could be lower than that, so they are willing to take a loss.
Buyers know the price is heading down and by the time the blocks are consumed, the price is probably lower than that. Depends on the buyer what kind of price level he predicts and if the block price is attractive.
Simple
(Spoiler: right now it is silly to be manufacturing Gallente blocks... and same is probably true with Caldari blocks as well as Nitrogen isos are being manipulated upwards by 100-150 ISK P/u at the moment)
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Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
265
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Posted - 2011.12.26 13:11:00 -
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But blocks can be reprocessed.... What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2011.12.26 17:22:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:But blocks can be reprocessed....
Anyone who took fuel blocks instead of a remap for the christmas gift is bound to be doing dumb things with them. |
CEO Rockhound
The Treehugger Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.12.26 23:06:00 -
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pmchem wrote:Jack Dant wrote:But blocks can be reprocessed.... Anyone who took fuel blocks instead of a remap for the christmas gift is bound to be doing dumb things with them.
What good is a remap? I regret not taking the AUR |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
212
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Posted - 2011.12.26 23:09:00 -
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pmchem wrote:Jack Dant wrote:But blocks can be reprocessed.... Anyone who took fuel blocks instead of a remap for the christmas gift is bound to be doing dumb things with them.
Now that we know the aurum is tokenized, I have an account that I might have gone aurum on instead of remap, but whatevs. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
22
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Posted - 2011.12.26 23:20:00 -
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pmchem wrote:Jack Dant wrote:But blocks can be reprocessed.... Anyone who took fuel blocks instead of a remap for the christmas gift is bound to be doing dumb things with them.
We've been over this. Not everyone wants a remap more than they want a quick 70 mil isk. I probably won't remap Tasko before the next remap offer, for example. While I can turn 70 mil into a lot more isk by the time I do want that extra remap.
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Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.27 00:41:00 -
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What everyone forgets is that Oxygen was the most stable isotope to trade in before the "ice war" When the Goons says that they made a huge impact, that everyone stopped using Gallente towers then we are talking 1-2%. Just look at the volumes at Jita, and its the same as before the war.
Everyone that have a Pos, with x many jobs knows it very unpractical to change the towers, even if you want to do it.
Yes, Oxygen will go down, but very slowly. |
Sieges
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.12.27 22:46:00 -
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corestwo wrote:We're goons. Ergo, people think that the internal announcement that the interdiction was ending, never [i]technically[/] intended for public distribution, is all an elaborate head fake, meant to crash prices while simultaneously luring bo...err, automated mining individuals...back out into the open so we can re-buy and go on another killing spree.
As a result, the automated mining individuals as well as their uncommon manual breatheren have been slow to return. Combine that with automated market individuals playing the margin despite price falls, and it helps keep the price high because of pressure on the buy order side of things. There's also somewhat less demand now than there was before the interdiction, as all those empire based gallente towers are now empire based caldari towers instead.
But, people will switch back, botters will start mining again, and the price will continue to drop. Give it time. I am just a lone manual ice miner. I lost a few ships before I figured out what was happening. Is it really over? |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
12
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Posted - 2011.12.28 14:18:00 -
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Sieges wrote:corestwo wrote:We're goons. Ergo, people think that the internal announcement that the interdiction was ending, never [i]technically[/] intended for public distribution, is all an elaborate head fake, meant to crash prices while simultaneously luring bo...err, automated mining individuals...back out into the open so we can re-buy and go on another killing spree.
As a result, the automated mining individuals as well as their uncommon manual breatheren have been slow to return. Combine that with automated market individuals playing the margin despite price falls, and it helps keep the price high because of pressure on the buy order side of things. There's also somewhat less demand now than there was before the interdiction, as all those empire based gallente towers are now empire based caldari towers instead.
But, people will switch back, botters will start mining again, and the price will continue to drop. Give it time. I am just a lone manual ice miner. I lost a few ships before I figured out what was happening. Is it really over?
Yes of course everything will be okay.
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