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Korobov Tesla
Man Evolved
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Posted - 2016.10.20 01:30:53 -
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I am trying to figure out how the mechanic works that allows someone to pop into your site and steal your BC spawn even tho I can lock and get damage on it first.. I am flying a Navy Vexor so pretty much all drone damage, I figured that the drones were takeing to long to get to the target even if I had it locked first so I put a rail gun on there to get DPS as soon as the target is locked and that doesn't seem to work.
What am I doing wrong here? I am not so much interested in ganking people as I am defending my site against someone who wants to gank me. |
unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.20 01:47:16 -
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Korobov Tesla wrote:I am trying to figure out how the mechanic works that allows someone to pop into your site and steal your BC spawn even tho I can lock and get damage on it first...
it isn't your |
Korobov Tesla
Man Evolved
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Posted - 2016.10.20 01:48:31 -
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unidenify wrote:Korobov Tesla wrote:I am trying to figure out how the mechanic works that allows someone to pop into your site and steal your BC spawn even tho I can lock and get damage on it first... it isn't your You're right. MY |
unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.20 01:52:00 -
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you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first.
and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well. |
Korobov Tesla
Man Evolved
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Posted - 2016.10.20 01:53:55 -
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unidenify wrote:you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first.
and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well.
So if we both shoot at it the person who gets to it first can loot it without suspect flag?
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unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.20 01:58:35 -
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Korobov Tesla wrote:unidenify wrote:you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first.
and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well. So if we both shoot at it the person who gets to it first can loot it without suspect flag?
only time wreck would flag if it appear yellow to you. and you would get suspect flag. if it appear blue or white, you won't get suspect flag. and if you and other person shoot at it, it will be white to you and other person. |
Korobov Tesla
Man Evolved
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Posted - 2016.10.20 02:05:09 -
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unidenify wrote:Korobov Tesla wrote:unidenify wrote:you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first.
and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well. So if we both shoot at it the person who gets to it first can loot it without suspect flag? only time wreck would flag if it appear yellow to you. and you would get suspect flag. if it appear blue or white, you won't get suspect flag. and if you and other person shoot at it, it will be white to you and other person.
It's yellow to me even after I shoot at it.
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erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
501
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:25:50 -
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You need DPS or alpha. With dps ship you need to apply damage all the time, Alpha ship should fire only when BC is in structure. I fly DPS ship, so I won most fights, but often competitor Gila or arty svipul could still get an upper hand. Because Gila drones have almost 2000 Alpha strike and arty is ... you know... Never the less, side itself is deadly boring so I even welcome the competition (in place I live sides appears every few minutes, so no problem to lose one or two). It is true, though, that local ppl starts to hate me :(
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Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:13:56 -
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Korobov Tesla wrote:unidenify wrote:Korobov Tesla wrote:unidenify wrote:you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first.
and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well. So if we both shoot at it the person who gets to it first can loot it without suspect flag? only time wreck would flag if it appear yellow to you. and you would get suspect flag. if it appear blue or white, you won't get suspect flag. and if you and other person shoot at it, it will be white to you and other person. It's yellow to me even after I shoot at it.
It is not who shot if first, it is who shot it last who gets it.
The Incursion Guild
Epic Arc Guide
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Chan'aar
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.20 10:57:38 -
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Sentenced 1989 wrote: It is not who shot if first, it is who shot it last who gets it.
I thought the owner of the wreck was determined by "who did the most damage" ?
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Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2016.10.20 12:23:39 -
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Chan'aar wrote:Sentenced 1989 wrote: It is not who shot if first, it is who shot it last who gets it.
I thought the owner of the wreck was determined by "who did the most damage" ?
Nope, last hit... easily testable, get an alt into frigate and start shooting an rat, stop when it is at 5% hull, finish it off with your main, your main will own the wreck.
So what you can do it this case - learn your adversary and time your shoots. Figure out how much damage you can at once and go from there. For example, my confessor can kill that BC in 3-4 shots. I know that if armor of that BC is below 30% I will definitely kill it. Once I am in room with drone boat I can just wait till it is at around 50% and activate my guns. By the time my ship fires drones will most likely take that 20% diff and I will finish it. But I also met guy in Naga who could kill it as soon as shields are gone in one shot in which case I risk and let him fire first, then overheat my guns and fire as well. Sometimes he killed the rat with alpha damage (full volley damage from your guns) alone and sometimes the rat would stay in hull in which case I would finish it.
Anyways, figure out what works for your situation and apply it.
The Incursion Guild
Epic Arc Guide
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Chan'aar
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:47:44 -
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Sentenced 1989 wrote:
Nope, last hit... easily testable, get an alt into frigate and start shooting an rat, stop when it is at 5% hull, finish it off with your main, your main will own the wreck.
Well 9 years of not understanding game mechanics for the win then.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1028
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:51:44 -
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Checking facts this post may be back. |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2016.10.20 16:13:40 -
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It is always the last shot that makes the kill, is the one who gets the bounty, or rights to any loot. If it's yellow, it's not yours.
However, I've come across some un-fearing pilots, who just go and take the loot out from under you, and quickly warp off.
By the time I target them, they're gone.
So it really doesn't matter who gets the kill, it's whoever can loot the wreck first.
Anyway, if they were in fleet, it would have been 3 Gilas against one BC, in a PVE fit.
But c'mon, do you guys need 3 Gilas to do these Blood Raider events? (and then maybe it was just coincidence)
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Korobov Tesla
Man Evolved
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Posted - 2016.10.20 19:41:00 -
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Awesome thanks for all the replies, it has cleared up my concerns for sure. Despite how fast my Navy Vexor kills ****, it's probably not the best ship for contesting a site. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3035
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Posted - 2016.10.20 22:23:12 -
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Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.10.20 23:44:17 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ...
Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it.
Edit: or maybe I'll just test it. That is my understanding though. Really makes me question how **** poor some of the Gila fits I've been contesting against are though. |
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
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Posted - 2016.10.21 08:24:49 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ... Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it. . I often did the last blow without getting the ownership.. |
Yurica
Happyness Realization Party
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Posted - 2016.10.21 10:37:11 -
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When someone else is in the site I don't shoot the BC at all, instead I check how much damage the other player does over time, and then with a single well-timed shot get the wreck. It's definitely the last shot. |
Ishido Attaka
Czerka.
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Posted - 2016.10.21 11:22:15 -
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Aplysia Vejun wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ... Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it. . I often did the last blow without getting the ownership..
Than it was not you, who did the last blow. Simple as that. |
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Chococat
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.21 13:00:17 -
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It used to be termed "the final blow". The wreck is flagged as belonging to the party that brought the targets structure below zero. The wreck then appears yellow to anyone else. Anyone opening a wreck that is yellow is flagged as suspect to the wreck owner and the wreck owner is entitled to commence pew pew.
However anyone opening that wreck is probably doing it to try for a fight , that means they are either a moron having an emo rage moment or they are pvp fit and think you are easy game. then again they could just have noticed that you are so far from the wreck that they think they have a good chance of thieving the loot and getting before you can scram them.
With a VNI you should be able to dual mar tank if you really need to - running one rep most of the time - bursting the second if you need it, (which should be very occasionally occasionally if ever, I ma guessing you dont have pimp skills and might appreciate a comfort buffer), this way you could get right on the raider structure thing in room two ready for the BC spawn, hit approach on the bc as soon as it appears , when it pops check can ownership is yours and scoop.
You don't have the dps to compete with gilas. Just avoid wasting time against them . |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2016.10.21 14:07:00 -
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I tried these Blood Raider events in a rail Tengu that has good dps, but rails don't do good em damage.
I went to a Harbinger, it could do good em dmg, but I couldn't find a happy medium, between gank and tank.
I looked thru my hanger to see what ship I could use. I said what the heck, take the Golem out.
The Golem may be a bit overkill, but it did very well. I one volleyed almost everything, and the BC.
With even another guy in the field, who got to the accel gate before me. While he slugged it out with the cruisers, I was still slow-boating it to the gate. I still got there in time to get the BC.I then used the tractor beam to pull in the wreck. Next time I need to fit an AB or MWD.
So I'll take the Golem out again for these events.
Question - can a wreck be stolen or looted when it's caught in a tractor beam?
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Al Nomadi
Morawins
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Posted - 2016.10.21 14:20:22 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:can a wreck be stolen or looted when it's caught in a tractor beam?
-Kirst
Yes, but the ship doing that must be able to do 500+ m/s |
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
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Posted - 2016.10.21 14:32:41 -
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Ishido Attaka wrote:Aplysia Vejun wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ... Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it. . I often did the last blow without getting the ownership.. Than it was not you, who did the last blow. Simple as that. Nope. I was the only player present in the site. The others had to flee before i killed the last rat (it was in lowsec) |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.10.21 15:45:55 -
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It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over.
Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time.
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
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Posted - 2016.10.21 16:51:08 -
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Well, we have two camps at opposite ends who have tested the "who claims the wreck?" problem. Can we reach a conclusion that both sides agree on?
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Kaivarian Coste
Maut Merchant Navy
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Posted - 2016.10.21 17:41:08 -
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Earlier today I ran a site in high sec, and got the BC down to structure before I had to reload. Someone else was in the room and blapped the BC before I could resume DPS, but the wreck went to me. So it's definitely not the last person that delivers DPS. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2755
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Posted - 2016.10.21 22:49:50 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights.
Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is.
Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.10.21 23:04:59 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights. Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is. Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage.
One thing I'm not sure on is if it's on an individual basis, or a fleet basis. E.g., if I do 40% of the damage to a rat, and two guys in a fleet each do 30%, I'm not sure if I get it or they do (but I think maybe I'm about to find out).
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3040
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Posted - 2016.10.22 04:59:03 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights. Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is. Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage. I won a couple against Gilas, because their drones spent too much time traveling back from the last cruiser rat to the battlecruiser, where I was sitting 1000m of the rat dishing out 500 DPS after instalock.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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