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Myryaminda
Khanid Vegabond Inc United Systems of Aridia
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Posted - 2016.10.22 20:02:39 -
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Hello Everyone.
I am sure everyone will be feeling that Assault Frigates are not really a ship to train in because it's role has been taken over by the T3 destroyers. As such I think it is time to brainstorm how to make the assault frigate a ship which is a viable option and different from the T3D's.
To calculate why and how it should change we have to look at the T3D's different roles. The AF used to be the small sniper or assault frigate that had a lot of tank. Both roles have been taken over by the T3D.
Although this is ofcourse a shortcut I think giving all AFs the same role bonus as the interceptor (immunity to interdiction spheres) would make it viable to train in it again.
Please let me know what you think of this idea.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.10.22 20:21:49 -
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I think you should have posted in Features and Ideas.
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Tiberius NoVegas
Stellar Exploration Consortium
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Posted - 2016.10.22 20:29:27 -
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This does need to be moved.
how ever my 2 cent is the T3 destroyers are too easy to get into. You can get into a T3D faster then you can train up for T2D or even T2C. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.10.22 20:41:16 -
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Best buff AF can get is for T3D to get nerfed. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.10.22 21:10:31 -
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baltec1 wrote:Best buff AF can get is for T3D to get nerfed. This will hopefully go a long way to redressing the way Assault Frigates were essentially made irrelevant overnight.
In the end, T3Ds are never going away. That cat is out of the bag, so even post T3D balance, I hope CCP look at the AFs and find a way to differentiate them a bit more. Whether through the ability to fit 1 command burst, or some other mechanism, they were always so fun to fly.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.10.23 00:23:21 -
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No clue what they can do with the AF's, but technically the difference between frigate and destroyer is the sig radius, and thus, basically, survivability vs. large ships, so maybe they can do something with that. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.23 00:24:34 -
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*Cough*Ab bonus*cough*
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Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2016.10.23 01:11:22 -
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I trained AF 5 by accident, I have a few of them lying around but rarely use them but there's a lot of cool things that could be done with them. D-scan invisibility like Combat Recons is my favourite idea though, or a 20% afterburner speed increase per level like the Succubus. |
Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
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Posted - 2016.10.23 02:03:46 -
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In my 10 years as a capsule pilot, assault frigates have *never* been in a good place.
There has been a lot if discussion on what can be done to correct the problem over the years.
The TL;DR of the entire situation is
-T3ds could use a bit of a nerf, mobility being the main problem. Destroyers should wreck frigates; it's the class role so no problems there.
-AFs need base mobilty that matches thier T1 counterparts. Speed and agilty are the lifeblood of a frigate, take those away and you are left with the weak tanking ability of small modules, assault resists don't help much as frigates havent got enough low slots to fit resists, an active tank or buffer, and damage mods, or mids to do the same thing + propulsion and tackle.
Personally, I think the role bonus assault frigates should get is resistance to cap warfare. A large neut will cap out any frigate in a single cycle. This is a bigger threat to tackle than the applied dps from a T3d, imo.
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
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Posted - 2016.10.23 02:25:46 -
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I'm against more ships with bubble immunity. The ability to avoid fights is not "assault" enough ;)
Would rather see something like E-War resistances, a bit more speed / sensorstrenght and perhaps something like a bonus to overheating.
AB bonus would also be nice and perhaps the easiest fix. But's that allready the trademark of the Sansha Faction |
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Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.10.23 05:08:39 -
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Balance is heavily based on usage statistics, and EVE is about to have a new dynamic in the way of alpha clones. I think we'll see a shift where a ship might be objectively bad but see more use because it's accessible to alpha clones. If there's a serious problem with ships in the frigate to cruiser range, part of the solution might be in magically allowing them for alpha clones. Including assault frigates, for example.
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2016.10.23 05:24:27 -
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Personally I think AFs are too close to interceptors in terms of combat ability... t3's aren't the problem I think. |
Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.23 06:03:26 -
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+ 20 base sig radius would actually do the trick or -10 for AFs. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2016.10.23 06:20:29 -
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Incredibly small sigs, perhaps more speed boosts or base speed wouldnt hurt and neut resistance, more to bigger neuts. And a hell NO to bubble immunity. OP wants AF gangs running around null sec instead of inty gangs.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.10.23 07:02:18 -
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Elsa Hayes wrote:+ 20 base sig radius would actually do the trick or -10 for AFs. hah -10 sig radius for assault frigates would be freaking awesome after skills, but I think it's a bit much. Putting T3 destroyer base sig slightly higher than T1 destroyers would seem fair though. So yeah +20.
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Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
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Posted - 2016.10.23 07:05:21 -
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No point in asking for, or discussing, AF rebalancing till they get T3D sorted. It's been awfully quiet on that front, I wonder why that is. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.10.23 09:08:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:*Cough*Ab bonus*cough*
Tried that, it led to some "interesting" results and was rightly pulled. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
270
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Posted - 2016.10.23 09:24:46 -
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Well at least in fw space The T3Ds cannot enter small plexes whereas AFs can. So they actually still have a role and I see more and more of them in FW space.
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Cristl
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Posted - 2016.10.23 12:24:04 -
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i like the idea of electronic warfare resistance: small ships are traditionally heavily affected by this, and resistance to ewar could be a great niche.
I think it would need to extend to webs, cap warfare etc to really shine, but it could give them the role of 'tenacious tackle', to complement fast and heavy tackle. |
Myryaminda
Khanid Vegabond Inc United Systems of Aridia
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Posted - 2016.10.23 12:45:39 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I think you should have posted in Features and Ideas.
Great idea! But what is the exact link to that forum part?
Edit: I found it. |
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
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Posted - 2016.10.23 13:46:42 -
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Simply remove T3 destroyers. Assault frigates and many other ship classes will be viable again. |
Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2016.10.23 15:03:19 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Simply remove T3 destroyers. Assault frigates and many other ship classes will be viable again.
removing means a completely failure on CCP's fault. And they won't do that unless they have no other option. A T3 nerf/change will be coming in soon anyways. It was promised in the November release but we will see.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.23 15:05:31 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Simply remove T3 destroyers. Assault frigates and many other ship classes will be viable again.
or just into a small plex with your AFs
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
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Posted - 2016.10.23 15:22:30 -
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sero Hita wrote:Algarion Getz wrote:Simply remove T3 destroyers. Assault frigates and many other ship classes will be viable again. or just into a small plex with your AFs
The day AF's doesn't get balanced because it's only viable use is to get in to small FW plex.... That's the day CCP really would have given up in the balancing sector. |
Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
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Posted - 2016.10.23 15:31:34 -
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New role: heavy tackle.
Immunity to warp scramble MWD shutoff Immunity to stais webifiers
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.10.23 15:38:34 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:New role: heavy tackle.
Immunity to warp scramble MWD shutoff Immunity to stais webifiers
This is actually something I would think could work. Very different and defined roles
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Myryaminda
Khanid Vegabond Inc United Systems of Aridia
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Posted - 2016.10.23 18:06:23 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:New role: heavy tackle.
Immunity to warp scramble MWD shutoff Immunity to stais webifiers
I think just one of these would be great. Both of them would just be too OP. But I like these ideas. |
Tanthos
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.10.23 21:38:49 -
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Immunity to Webber's gets my +1. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.10.24 11:47:24 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:New role: heavy tackle.
Immunity to warp scramble MWD shutoff Immunity to stais webifiers
How exactly is that an assault role? How exactly would it be viable, when the AF is still a frigate, and you're leaving it vulnerable to neuts? You want heavy tackle, use a cruiser, that's the "heavy tackle" meta.
AF's are frigates, and because they are frigates they don't tank with an armor or shield tank, not really, so those resist bonuses are somewhat crap. They help, but they don't have the same effect that a HAC's resists have compared to a T1 cruiser.
If CCP wants assault frigates to assault, i.e. apply DPS and be more resilient, then they need to enhance the AF's "frigate" defenses, i.e. sig/speed tanking, not resists. Speed tanking is interceptor territory, so the only thing left is to reduce sig. radius.
Or, they could give immunity or resistance to anti-frigate measures, as suggested previously. Of those, neuts are the highest threat, and as far as I know no subcap has neut immunity, so it would be a unique ability for AF's only, making them a lot more desirable in all sorts of "assault" roles.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.10.25 05:19:55 -
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AF don't need any new bonuses they are already good ships. The problem is the t3d which have utterly wiped out AF usefulness in the same way they completely invalidated the T1 destroyers. If it wasn't for the fact the sabre has a bubble launcher that too would have been dumped on the pile of useless ships.
The key here is getting t3d nerfed down to the level of destroyers. No more tiny sig, no more crazy high speeds, no more high level cruiser tanks and no more overpowering firepower and range. You must be able to kill these things with a t1 frigate like a t1 frigate can kill a sabre, then AF will be able to shine like they did before t3d broke ship balance. |
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