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baltec1
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Posted - 2016.10.22 20:41:16 -
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Best buff AF can get is for T3D to get nerfed. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.10.23 09:08:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:*Cough*Ab bonus*cough*
Tried that, it led to some "interesting" results and was rightly pulled. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.10.25 05:19:55 -
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AF don't need any new bonuses they are already good ships. The problem is the t3d which have utterly wiped out AF usefulness in the same way they completely invalidated the T1 destroyers. If it wasn't for the fact the sabre has a bubble launcher that too would have been dumped on the pile of useless ships.
The key here is getting t3d nerfed down to the level of destroyers. No more tiny sig, no more crazy high speeds, no more high level cruiser tanks and no more overpowering firepower and range. You must be able to kill these things with a t1 frigate like a t1 frigate can kill a sabre, then AF will be able to shine like they did before t3d broke ship balance. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.22 17:56:17 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:T3ds have nothing to do with AFs, Afs, sucked pre t3ds too. The reason AFs suck is cause they have the mobility of a t1 cruiser with bad performance stats while having no range.
But they are an extremely boring ship class so they are fine being obsolete.
AF were heavily used before t3d came around, to the point where they were an effective and much loved fleet doctrine. Pre T3D you could find many whine threads from people getting popped by the likes of the ishkur and the vengeance was a well known damage sponge.
T3D have invalidated a lot of ship classes from t1 frigates right up the the stabber. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.22 18:23:08 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Nope, pre t3d people flew dictors or pirate/faction frigates. The AF has been dead before t3ds were even there. Afs dont kite, afs arent fast enough to catch kiters, afs arent strong/small enough to outbrawl other brawlers, in a kiting meta that means no one ever uses the ships.
So the few years where I had to adapt my megathon to fly in harpy fleet while they ripped other, far heavier fleets didn't happen? The dual MASB hawk and god tank vengeance were never complained about in FW? the Enyo didn't hit things like a hand grenade?
W0lf Crendraven wrote: And t3ds havnt invalidated anything as such, the stabber in particular got a giant buff during svipul online days as it was one of the ships that killed t3ds for free (dual med neut brawling one).
Stabber is out classed by the svipul even after the nerf. Hell, thanks to the added e-war resistance the only small ships that could mess with them have been neutered so there is nothing at or below destroyers than can compete now. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.22 18:40:20 -
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nezroy wrote:Khan Wrenth wrote:New role: heavy tackle.
Immunity to warp scramble MWD shutoff Immunity to stais webifiers Would rather they just got a ~100% AB speed bonus, like the sansha pirate ship line does.
They were given an AB bonus, it lead to some horribly overpowered setups
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.22 20:21:58 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Harpy fleets were a thing yes, but neither the hawk (after the asb nerf), the vengeance nor the enyo were ever considered that great, they did well when the only other thing that could enter a small was a t2 dessie, which pre dictor buffs were horrible. There was a short peroid of time when the AF was good, but then the cruiser buff happened - which took away the ability to easily beat cruisers, hmls got nerfed into the ground which killed the missile matchups (cause people were forced to use assault missiles/rlmls) and other ships were buffed within the small meta. A dictor will eat a AF alive, the comet beats most, as does the slicer and so on.
And lets not forget the double damp lml spam meta that covered a long time pre t3d where afs were totally ****.
Even CDs are massively superior to AFs (well to be fair, they are extremely OP, but solo pvpers dont all have link skills yet).
Highlighted the issue.
the problem isnt AF, its the extremely overpowered t3d they have added. Before these 4 ships were added we enjoyed the most balanced lineup in EVEs history. I loved my vengeance, it was a little sod to kill but t3d came along and simply out tank, out gun, fly faster and shoot at greater range. Much like their cruiser cousins t3d simply invalidate everything around them.
If you really want to see something that has been completely invalidated just look at the T1 destroyers. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:26:17 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Have you actually played in fw space recently? T1 dessies beeing invalidated, are you serious? They are extremely strong. Have you flown AFs in lowsec pre t3ds? They were garbage.
I flew them in null. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.01.08 11:16:08 -
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Problem with giving them an overheat bonus means they effectively get that stat boost for most of their fights. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.01.09 13:05:50 -
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Deckel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Problem with giving them an overheat bonus means they effectively get that stat boost for most of their fights. You could add a multiplier effect where the more 2X Overheat module bonuses active the more hull damage gets applied to the ship. This could work by activating the ship overheat mode, then all modules that you set to Overheat the get 2X bonus but for each additional module active the damage doubles. So, 5% for one 10% for two, 20% for 3 etc for every 5 or 10 seconds. This would still keep all overheating dependent upon module heat damage, but allow extra power causing hull damage.
Creative but I worry about some of the stats that this would result in. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.01.10 13:42:41 -
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Nikea Tiber wrote:Assault frigates have always sucked
Not true.
Before T3D landed they were one of the more common ships used. As I keep on saying the issue is not with AF its with T3D. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.01.10 20:17:49 -
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Orakkus wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Not true.
Before T3D landed they were one of the more common ships used. As I keep on saying the issue is not with AF its with T3D.
Even before T3D, their "niche" window was tiny, and there really is no effective way (at this point) to penalize the T3Ds to undo reality.
There is a very good way to hit T3D into shape.
Nerf them down to t1 base stats and have their modes bump them up to t2 level and scrap the e-war resistance. They are now what they are supposed to be, adaptable destroyers. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.01.11 16:38:57 -
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Orakkus wrote:baltec1 wrote:
There is a very good way to hit T3D into shape.
Nerf them down to t1 base stats and have their modes bump them up to t2 level and scrap the e-war resistance. They are now what they are supposed to be, adaptable destroyers.
I still don't think that would separate the two well enough. By making those changes, CCP will be forced to make the ship cheaper to build (or else it is the T3D that becomes "niche-less") If you make it cheaper, then it automatically forces itself into AF territory because of price/capability. You also have to consider that even if there is a tangible difference, the niche the AF resides in would still get reduced in usefulness. No, I think the AF needs some serious out of the box thinking in regards to its role in combat fleets.
AF are more than able to take on t2 destroyers, we are out here killing them in kestrels and herons. AF are still good ships, a destroyer is not going to tank like a destroyer can (well, they are not supposed to) |
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