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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
953
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Posted - 2016.10.23 01:34:08 -
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At approximately 0015 on YC118.10.22 capsuleers under the unified command SERAPH (Special Empire Response for the Assault and Penetration of Hives) began OPERATION MORNING GLORY. This led to the Battle of Sazre.
The losses suffered in the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign do not seem to have diminished the capability of the Drifters to wage war. SERAPH formally issues a warning that the Drifters remain a high level threat.
CommanderGÇÖs intent for this operation was the infliction of mass casualties upon Drifter assets in Imperial space.
Since the withdrawal of the Drifter invasion of the Throne Worlds, capsuleer counter attack has been limited to hive penetrations. These operations, conducted by ARC, were extremely successful in fully mapping the Hive complexes and acquiring Drifter Elements. However, these operations faced only a minimal amount of resistance. Penetration operations nominally encountered no more than ten (10) or so Drifter battleships. It was unknown if the Drifter forces had been depleted or if these hives were simply not heavily defended. Additionally, despite the end of the invasion, Drifter wormholes continue to appear around New Eden, including Imperial space. Drifter battleships continue to operate within systems containing a Jove Observatory. The Holy Amarr remains at war with the Drifters, making these legitimate war targets.
Friendly forces for this operation consisted of twelve pilots, plus command support. Alizabeth (Fleet Commander) Lady Morwen Lagann (Squad 1 Commander) Aria Jenneth Arsia Elkin Kaaeliaa Lady Mitara Newelle Arrendis (Squad 2 Commander) darkezero Kaylie Jenn Pieter Tuulinen Thulla Icin Varcutii Renalard
The exact fleet composition is being withheld, though some details can be shared. This was the first use of a new doctrine: Righteous Weasels. In the Righteous Weasels doctrine, Guardian-class logistics cruisers support recon, heavy assault, and special role cruisers and tactical destroyers.
Enemy forces consisted of Drifter battleships and Circadian Seeker cruisers. No new classes were spotted in this operation. Enemy ships appeared to behave according to their doctrine as SERAPH command understands it.
The mission of the operation was two-fold. The primary objective was to interdict Drifter ships entering Imperial space and measure Drifter response times to assault on Drifter assets (ships) in Imperial space. The secondary objective was a battlefield test of the Righteous Weasels doctrine. The mission was considered successful in both objectives.
The Drifters had been seen in Sazre before the operation commenced in the vicinity of the Jove Observatory. Some days before the operation, Morwen Lagann had placed a citadel GÇÿon gridGÇÖ with the observatory for the purpose of monitoring Drifter activity. It is presumed that the Drifter presence in the system just a day later was a response to the actual commissioning of the citadel
The day of the operation, the citadelGÇÖs gunners noted Drifter battleships operating in groups of three and Circadian Seeker cruisers operating in groups of four or five. Prior to the operationGÇÖs commencement, the citadel had engaged and destroyed a number of Circadian Seeker cruisers and three (3) Drifter battleships. With a known presence, the fleet undocked and set up position on the Jove Observatory.
Initially the fleet engaged both Circadian Seeker cruisers and Drifter battleships in the vicinity of both the Jove Observatory and the unidentified wormhole. In certain cases we had identified a Drifter patrol that was able to warp away from the wormhole before the fleet was able to engage. Tactical destroyers were sent across the system to scout. A Circadian Seeker patrol was engaged in an asteroid belt. A Drifter battleship that warped into support the Circadian Seerkers was also killed.
It was in this scouting and fleet maneuvers that the first and only loss occurred. A tactical destroyer was sent to scout the wormhole and destroyed by Drifter Battleships before the fleet could move to support. Sadly, no crew survived.
After a brief break to rearm and repair modules damaged from overheating, the fleet once again moved to the Unidentified Wormhole to interdict. For the last two hours, the fleet engaged targets only at the wormhole and observatory. SERAPH pilots represented themselves well in these maneuvers that required precision and speed. The Righteous Weasel doctrine has little to no margin for error and every pilot in the fleet performed their role flawlessly.
Drifter forces seemed to be scattered throughout the system and would respond to an attack on one patrol. During the course of the battle, both Circadian Seeker cruisers and Drifter battleships would seek to reinforce their comrades under attack. At one point, the SERAPH fleet was under attack from seven (7) Circadian Seeker cruisers and three (3) Drifter battleships.
Upon the conclusion of the operation, the SERAPH fleet had engaged and destroyed a number (greater than twenty [20]) Circadian Seeker cruisers and fifty-one (51) Drifter battleships. The citadel had destroyed a number of Circadian Seeker cruisers and three (3) Drifter battleships.
For SERAPH fleets, ships are provided by SERAPH. All ships provided were properly fitted and loaded with ordnance.
The fleet commander for this operation was Alizabeth. Plans for command devolution are being withheld for security reasons.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
953
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Posted - 2016.10.23 01:34:30 -
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Given the significant Drifter response to attacks on Drifter ships in Imperial space it can be surmised that Drifter forces are not depleted. The lack of Drifter battleships seen in their hives compared to the influxes seen in the Defense of Throne Worlds campaign does not indicate a weakening of their forces. That over fifty Drifter battleshipsGÇöa force roughly half of the attack wing that destroyed EF Seraph and killed Empress JamylGÇöwere operating with impunity in sovereign Imperial space is particularly troubling. More troubling is that despite the heavy losses inflicted upon the Drifters, they did not retreat. The operation was concluded with an orderly retrograde by the SERAPH fleet, not a Drifter retreat.
SERAPH operations against the Drifters will remain ongoing.
CommanderGÇÖs statement:
I would like to extend my thanks and admiration to all the pilots that flew on this operation. It was difficult flying, and every single one of them acquitted themselves well. They fought like lions in the largest single engagement against the Drifters since the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign and emerged victorious. I am proud to fly with such magnificent pilots.
A special medal has been issued for the pilots that were there, and I am working with the leadership of each pilotGÇÖs respective organization to ensure it is issued. It bears the mission statement of SERAPH:
GÇ£No matter how long No matter what cost We will fight this war to the end In Her Name.GÇ¥
Questions will be answered in this thread as possible.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
96752
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Posted - 2016.10.23 01:42:04 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:That over fifty Drifter battleshipsGÇöa force roughly half of the attack wing that destroyed EF Seraph and killed Empress JamylGÇöwere operating with impunity in sovereign Imperial space is particularly troubling.
Not anymore.
"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
6573
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Posted - 2016.10.23 02:44:08 -
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Analysis:
- Drifter Battleships remain eminently beatable with little to no losses by regular capsuleer fleet assets. Some of our ships were expensive, but none of them were ridiculously or prohibitively so.
- Drifter Battleship classes Artemis and Apollo have done little to alter their tactics to forestall these losses. Sleeper assets coming on field during the engagement of a Drifter triplet seems to affect the balance of power negligibly.
- Drifter fleets deployed Fifty-Three (53) Battleship class vessels within a four hour engagement window. (This is actually skewed low, because only after two hours did we crack their deployment pattern and interdict their movement through Sazre completely.) Despite the complete destruction of all 53 Battleship class vessels, Drifter 'command' never turned off the tap. They kept coming. They kept dying. In the end fatigue drove SERAPH forces from the field.
Conclusions:
- Minimal Drifter tactical evolution.
- Zero Drifter materiel evolution.
- Fifty-three (53) Battleships does not represent the bottom of the bucket.
Despite a sound thrashing meted out to Johnny Drifter, my fears are not assuaged. If anything we have to step up the scale of the killing until we can, at least, convince them to stop pushing sausage into their end of the machine.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2554
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Posted - 2016.10.23 07:10:05 -
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I'm still not thrilled with the names. However, I shall mollify myself with my continued work with the Drifter Apocalypse Team, Applied Sciences Section.
Seriously, though, Righteous Weasels? I can't even begin to explain the mental image that summons. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1725
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Posted - 2016.10.23 07:12:48 -
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Arrendis wrote:Seriously, though, Righteous Weasels? I can't even begin to explain the mental image that summons.
A weasel, wearing an Amarr hood, riding a surfboard, catching an impressive tubular wave.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2554
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Posted - 2016.10.23 07:40:26 -
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Close.
I was actually thinking of a mongoose in Max Singularity's robes and one of those big pointy ovoid religious hats, diving down a set of stairs in a Caldari Teahouse, firing a pair of obnoxiously large revolvers belching out divine plasma while white doves fly through the scene. |
Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
956
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Posted - 2016.10.23 07:49:17 -
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And this is a bad image? We'll have to use robes from someone other than an Empress Jamyl hating heretic, though.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Vollhov Jr
SOERI Academy RED University
112
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Posted - 2016.10.23 08:52:00 -
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Blind Vengeance People do not even know what is written in the testament Jamyl Sarum. Imperial force is not attack Drifters. Maybe they know more of the truth than you.
Recently I watched the Imperial Navy Security Force were with Drifters. All cover those ships that participated in the attack Jamyl Sarum.
Ask at Catiz this normal ?
Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1698
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Posted - 2016.10.23 09:19:10 -
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Arrendis wrote:Close.
I was actually thinking of a mongoose in Max Singularity's robes and one of those big pointy ovoid religious hats, diving down a set of stairs in a Caldari Teahouse, firing a pair of obnoxiously large revolvers belching out divine plasma while white doves fly through the scene.
This sounds like something straight out of a Brun Courtiser holo-reel. Just replace the Jin-Mei fellow with a weasel. You watched 'The Hard-Boiled Killer' very recently, didn't you?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
960
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Posted - 2016.10.23 17:41:35 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Conclusions:
- Minimal Drifter tactical evolution.
- Zero Drifter materiel evolution.
- Fifty-three (53) Battleships does not represent the bottom of the bucket.
Doctrine and tactical evolution is actually a pretty complex process. Part of the reason SERAPH is kept so small is to facilitate a rapid doctrine change if needed. When I was flying with ARC, Priano-haani was pretty resistant to doctrine changes. It's hard to find fault with her reasoning: they had a doctrine that worked, and even if it was sub-optimal, it still worked. ARC also has to ensure that any change can be handled by all their pilots, which is a significant number across many skill levels. For SERAPH's switch to Righteous Weasels, it was just a matter of SERAPH buying the new ships and issuing them to the pilots.
And we had other classes and designs of ships to switch to. If the Drifters are having to design a new class, or worse a new hull, from scratch, it will likely take them a significant amount of time. Their tactical options are limited by them really only have one class of combat ship. I am sure there is an argument taking place with the Strategos about doctrine, but when it comes down to it, the Drifters' doctrine works in most cases. It's just a few of us that are really giving the Drifters issues. They are likely to want to make sure any doctrine change doesn't break everything.
The Drifters only have one ship and one doctrine that has to be used for every situation. SERAPH's doctrine only has to be effective against the Drifters. For other missions, we can reship and change tactics as needed.
Your third conclusion is correct. And that is what keeps me awake at night.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2559
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Posted - 2016.10.23 17:42:20 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Arrendis wrote:Close.
I was actually thinking of a mongoose in Max Singularity's robes and one of those big pointy ovoid religious hats, diving down a set of stairs in a Caldari Teahouse, firing a pair of obnoxiously large revolvers belching out divine plasma while white doves fly through the scene. This sounds like something straight out of a Brun Courtiser holo-reel. Just replace the Jin-Mei fellow with a weasel. You watched 'The Hard-Boiled Killer' very recently, didn't you?
Not in about.... uhm...
Wow, it's been a long time. I wasn't even an egger then. |
Matar Ronin
2260
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Posted - 2016.10.23 22:29:41 -
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Impressive numbers.
Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Lord Kailethre
Oruze Cruise White Stag Exit Bag
419
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Posted - 2016.10.24 09:33:50 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Impressive numbers.
Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement.
It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive. What's happened? |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
2015
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Posted - 2016.10.24 10:24:10 -
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A real scary thought would be if, ever since the wormhole crisis six years ago all that the Drifters have been doing is building an endless Armada of ships using Jovian derived materials technology in their hives and what we are seeing now is nothing more than the small vanguard to test our defenses prior to the deployment of the Drifter capital and supercapital fleets.
Even spookier is if what we classify as "Battleships" due to their firepower and size the Drifters only consider, "Frigates" due to their firepower and size. |
Matar Ronin
2261
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Posted - 2016.10.24 10:24:42 -
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Lord Kailethre wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:Impressive numbers.
Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement. It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive. What's happened? Simple, they posted a 71 to 1 kill to death ratio. (Probably a tad higher than 71 in fact) These pilots are the first to seriously kick Drifter asses.
Drifters have shown up all over New Eden like they own the place. Today for perhaps the first time in a long time people all over New Eden can have hope that humans will prevail against the Drifters. Mark your Calendars and remember their names because this might be a date that is historic. The day humanity stopped just fighting back and started winning.
So yes I am damn pleased about the excellent actions of these brave few pilots. All New Eden should be.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Vollhov Jr
SOERI Academy
112
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Posted - 2016.10.24 11:28:04 -
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This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps.
Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1702
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Posted - 2016.10.24 12:30:09 -
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Vollhov Jr wrote:This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps.
The Beast is already awake for a long while now. What, you think them taking out the late Jamyl Sarum isn't a clear enough message?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
6576
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Posted - 2016.10.24 19:59:22 -
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Vollhov Jr wrote:This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps.
The State is an ally of the Empire, but if the Caldari Navy drove 53 Battleships through Amarrian space without at least notifying the Empire beforehand, I'm willing to bet that the Imperial Navy would have things to say about it.
The Drifters are an enemy. They absolutely do not have permission to pass through Imperial space and we decided to raise the price of admission this weekend.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
962
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Posted - 2016.10.25 22:41:13 -
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We will fight the Drifters wherever they are. We will kill them where we find them.
We Amarr do not cower in fear. We Amarr do not retreat. We Amarr do not give up. The line is drawn here. This far and no further!
I respect the Drifter's power, but I do not fear them. If they strike back, SERAPH will be ready for them.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
962
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Posted - 2016.10.25 22:50:43 -
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Vollhov Jr wrote:This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps.
As a woman, I do not possess testicles. However, I am confident in saying that I have more balls than you, Vollhov.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1896
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:17:05 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Lord Kailethre wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:Impressive numbers.
Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement. It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive. What's happened? Simple, they posted a 71 to 1 kill to death ratio. (Probably a tad higher than 71 in fact) These pilots are the first to seriously kick Drifter asses. Drifters have shown up all over New Eden like they own the place. Today for perhaps the first time in a long time people all over New Eden can have hope that humans will prevail against the Drifters. Mark your Calendars and remember their names because this might be a date that is historic. The day humanity stopped just fighting back and started winning. So yes I am damn pleased about the excellent actions of these brave few pilots. All New Eden should be. I think you've forgotten about the entirety of the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign.
The numbers of Drifter vessels destroyed in last week's engagement are nothing compared to the sorties every night of that campaign.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Vollhov Jr
SOERI Academy
112
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:44:10 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Vollhov Jr wrote:This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps. As a woman, I do not possess testicles. However, I am confident in saying that I have more balls than you, Vollhov.
Excuse me. What is the problem ask what in the testament? You loyalist !!! You participated in succession. You serve home Sarum. Ask your Order Tetrimon.
Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
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Alizabeth Vea
Hounds of Sarum
962
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Posted - 2016.10.25 23:55:53 -
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Lady Tyrathlion is correct. This was the largest engagement since the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign. Most of the pilots that flew in the defense were quiet professionals. Even now, those that fight Drifters usually keep a lower profile. I do not, for instance, post about the week to week operations of SERAPH. However, in this case, given the dedication of my fleet for this operation I decided to make an announcement and a warning. I am sure they appreciate your compliments.
With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2561
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Posted - 2016.10.26 00:52:55 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:We Amarr do not cower in fear. We Amarr do not retreat. We Amarr do not give up.
Ahem.
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Vollhov Jr
SOERI Academy
112
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Posted - 2016.10.26 00:58:15 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?
She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year.
The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live .....
Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1706
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Posted - 2016.10.26 01:12:31 -
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Vollhov Jr wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?
She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live .....
You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them."
Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf.
The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Vollhov Jr
SOERI Academy
112
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:14:44 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Vollhov Jr wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?
She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live ..... You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them." Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf. The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen.
Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family. It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. (Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar) House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals. If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation.
First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council. It is a violation.
I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne. Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening. All of this lies in the past.
That's why I do not accept this succession. Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr.
That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space? Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz?
If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum. I wish them luck. BUT.. Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes. Very strange.
Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1706
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:27:51 -
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Vollhov Jr wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Vollhov Jr wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?
She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live ..... You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them." Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf. The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen. Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family. It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. ( Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar) House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals. If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation. First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council. It is a violation. I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne. Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening. All of this lies in the past. That's why I do not accept this succession. Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr. That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space? Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz? If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum. I wish them luck. BUT.. Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes. Very strange.
One, it can be argued that the Emancipation is also a political move to make the Republic look bad. If that's the intention, she has succeeded wonderfully.
Second, the ritual suicide of the Heirs was never meant to remove all competitors to the Throne. All it does is wipe the slate clean, remove resentment (at least by theory) of current Heirs and let the next generation of Heirs take their place (no guarantees that grudges do not get passed down though). Of course, this is what's supposed to happen on paper. In practice, it's a different matter entirely.
Finally, you forgot. This is the Amarr Empire, a nation so steeped in tradition that it tends to take milleniums for any kind of social change to happen, unless something really huge shook the nation (for example the Elder Fleet invasion, the Minmatar Rebellion, Vak'atioth, the Starkman Prime uprising, the encounter with the Gallente Federation, etc.).
And no, the standing government is NOT confident that the Drifters will not attack the Heirs and Catiz. However, it still has to be done since during the times of war, there needs to be a leader and a rallying point. One does not brave a war without a Head of State.
What did you think all that security is for?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Vollhov Jr wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Vollhov Jr wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?
She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live ..... You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them." Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf. The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen. Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family. It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. ( Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar) House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals. If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation. First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council. It is a violation. I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne. Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening. All of this lies in the past. That's why I do not accept this succession. Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr. That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space? Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz? If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum. I wish them luck. BUT.. Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes. Very strange. One, it can be argued that the Emancipation is also a political move to make the Republic look bad. If that's the intention, she has succeeded wonderfully. Second, the ritual suicide of the Heirs was never meant to remove all competitors to the Throne. All it does is wipe the slate clean, remove resentment (at least by theory) of current Heirs and let the next generation of Heirs take their place (no guarantees that grudges do not get passed down though). Of course, this is what's supposed to happen on paper. In practice, it's a different matter entirely. Finally, you forgot. This is the Amarr Empire, a nation so steeped in tradition that it tends to take milleniums for any kind of social change to happen, unless something really huge shook the nation (for example the Elder Fleet invasion, the Minmatar Rebellion, Vak'atioth, the Starkman Prime uprising, the encounter with the Gallente Federation, etc.). And no, the standing government is NOT confident that the Drifters will not attack the Heirs and Catiz. However, it still has to be done since during the times of war, there needs to be a leader and a rallying point. One does not brave a war without a Head of State. What did you think all that security is for?
Not all traditions are good. Much needs to be changed. I will never accept that the Empress chose Capsuleers! That's why my brother was a faithful Empress Jamyl Sarum. It Jamyl Sarum even when she was the heiress of Sarum House raised the issue of cloning, not Catiz.
That's it. At first it is necessary to establish order in the Empire. Securing the the Empire, and only then carry out succession with five heirs.
By the way: Order Tetrimon - opposes leberalny views. Catiz is Leberalny look. Good luck with the performance of of the will Jamyl Sarum. Contradictions Ahahaha
Especially for Hounds of Sarum: Sarum A
Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
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