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Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2016.10.23 23:26:55 -
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How many ppl are aware that along w the fleet booster changes next month, that all of the passive leadership bonuses you currently receive from leadership skills are going away? All leadership skills will apply to active boosts only including bonuses received from slot 10 leadership implants. So if you're not flying a ship running active boosts (command dessi's, command ships, battle cruisers, warfare fit t3 cruisers) then you will be receiving no benefit from those skills.
Does that bother you or no? And no, no sp is being refunded.
Personally I'm perfectly happy w boosts becoming an active on grid role, but not so much happy about the sp I've spent that is now essentially a waste as I'll never use it again. I feel like it's a bit of a cash grab because they know a lot of ppl will want to extract those skills and that means tons of extractor sales. About $100 U.S. per character in extractors if you have most of them trained. Personally I trained all the way into lvl 5 in the specialist skills so that I could use the faction leadership mindlinks so that's a lot of sp essentially wasted.
Please keep it civil.
Daemun of Khanid
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.24 00:28:49 -
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this was one of the longest coming, most bemoaned/anticipated changes coming i have encountered in my entire time here. CCP have for as long as i have been playing saying that OGB would get slapped about when they could do it without melting the servers. i have a maxed out ogb charachter that i trained up from scratch knowing full well that its days were numbered, i definitely without a shadow of a doubt got my times worth out of it, and with the changes ill still likely get some use out of it too.
the mechanics are changing, not going away so i really dont get where the notion that anything is wasted is coming from, you trained it, you used it , you reaped the benifits from it. based off that alone you got your moneys worth.
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after the changes you may still use it and still benefit from it, its not like you got "buddy listed" , its still perfectly viable , just with more engaged and active management , as any powerfull tool shoud be.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2016.10.24 00:52:38 -
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Im with Ralph on this one. You trained it to use and you got use out of it and one day its gone is nothing new.
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Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2016.10.24 01:05:56 -
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It's not like we're talking about a car with 200k miles that finally breaks down. More like a college degree that your boss just up and says isnt valid for your job any more so youre laid off. Anyway, not losing any sleep over it, just curious like the topic says, how many ppl know and what are some opinions.
Daemun of Khanid
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.24 01:24:44 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:It's not like we're talking about a car with 200k miles that finally breaks down. More like a college degree that your boss just up and says isnt valid for your job any more so youre laid off. Anyway, not losing any sleep over it, just curious like the topic says, how many ppl know and what are some opinions. no its more like being told to you cant work from home anymore and have to come to the office like everyone else. you still have a job.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.24 01:37:20 -
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To answer the OP, anyone who bothers to pay attention knows. The rest will be the ones posting the shitstorm of forum posts on Nov 8th about it. It's not a secret and there was a rather long winded discussion about it when it was announced.
No, they're not refunding SP, yes the skills will still be useful just in a different way, no you cannot refund the skill points to use in something else without buying an extractor and doing it manually. Hopefully that covers the obvious questions.
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Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2016.10.24 01:39:41 -
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I have 12+ mil sp in leadership and was one of those fools who trained this stuff on his main and I gotta say, I really like this change. I always ran links if I was in a gang and in a BC or CD and found the idea of having to dual box with a linker alt kinda lame - it was some people's cup of tea, but not mine. It was also extremely effective so I can't blame people, it's long overdue a massive nerf and the fleet boost system coming in Nov looks real good to me.
The only thing I'm not happy about is the passive +15% armour bonus from the mindlink going, I liked having 50 bajillion armour on everything. But it's a small price to pay for the new AOE links which are awesome. |
Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2016.10.24 01:41:23 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:It's not like we're talking about a car with 200k miles that finally breaks down. More like a college degree that your boss just up and says isnt valid for your job any more so youre laid off. Anyway, not losing any sleep over it, just curious like the topic says, how many ppl know and what are some opinions. no its more like being told to you cant work from home anymore and have to come to the office like everyone else. you still have a job.
For characters that actually ran active links sure. I'm talking about the passive skills and the implants that provided passive bonuses.
Daemun of Khanid
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.24 01:47:49 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:It's not like we're talking about a car with 200k miles that finally breaks down. More like a college degree that your boss just up and says isnt valid for your job any more so youre laid off. Anyway, not losing any sleep over it, just curious like the topic says, how many ppl know and what are some opinions. no its more like being told to you cant work from home anymore and have to come to the office like everyone else. you still have a job. For characters that actually ran active links sure. I'm talking about the passive skills and the implants that provided passive bonuses. what about them,the exact points can be leveled at those. skills will still give you bonuses, as will the implants. just not in a passive way.
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Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2016.10.24 01:59:39 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:It's not like we're talking about a car with 200k miles that finally breaks down. More like a college degree that your boss just up and says isnt valid for your job any more so youre laid off. Anyway, not losing any sleep over it, just curious like the topic says, how many ppl know and what are some opinions. no its more like being told to you cant work from home anymore and have to come to the office like everyone else. you still have a job. For characters that actually ran active links sure. I'm talking about the passive skills and the implants that provided passive bonuses. what about them,the exact points can be leveled at those. skills will still give you bonuses, as will the implants. just not in a passive way.
If I fly 1 of three specific ships and fit it to fill a specific role essentially negating a large % of the rest of my skills. Obviously the skills CAN still be used but at what point is the fundamental change in their functionality crossing a line?
Daemun of Khanid
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Commander Spurty
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Posted - 2016.10.24 02:19:41 -
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Buy the slot 10 implant and you're golden.
Issue is that you don't want to.
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TackyTachy1
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.24 02:25:39 -
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So glad I ain't gotta clue so I don't reckon any of this stuff will hurt me. And if it does I probably won't feel it when it does.
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Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2016.10.24 02:26:53 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:Buy the slot 10 implant and you're golden.
Issue is that you don't want to.
??? What? That's the point, I (and I'm sure many others) HAVE the slot 10 implant. But now it's just gonna get unplugged and thrown away. Just like the skills the implant will also only effect active fleet boosts and will no longer provide the passive bonuses that they previously did. I will be flying in fleets and doing much pew pew as I always have not running around in AOE booster ships lighting off my magic healing spells. That's a given though. The implant is dead weight and I have no delusion that we'll be recouping the cost on those and dont really care. The value of an implant is infinitesimal compared to potentially 10+ million sp . Just waiting to hear a convincing argument that these skills aren't becoming a massive waste of months of training time and that CCP don't stand to make a killing on the EvE store selling skill extractors.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
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Posted - 2016.10.24 14:13:15 -
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I extracted all my leadership SP months ago when they said "no refund, no passive skill bonuses".. I had them only trained for passive bonuses in the first place (almost never used links, as I'm a covops guy and we just don't need that ****), so I made a quick buck out of it before everyone else follows suit and the prices spontaneously crash.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.10.25 12:13:10 -
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If you were in it for yourself, then leadership skills lost their utility. And I think everyone understands why that is kind of sucky. You want skills to make your ship stronger. It's the most basic of EVE needs http://i.imgur.com/Jyi00sQ.png
(note: it's enough to simply be good at EVE. I only included the self-actualization state because it exists. In reality it is very unlikely to be achieved and so far only one person has done it.)
The need for leadership characters is about to increase though, so if you were boosting in a group setting there's more reason to do it than before.
I think requiring a module activation is good for a couple reasons. First it brings leadership boosts under the influence of game balance by requiring a high slot. It is also a move away from the always-on, system-wide dumb version of leadership mechanics that were a flaw of hardware and software.
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