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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1052
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Posted - 2016.10.25 01:35:28 -
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We know that Eve is more simple the second, third or more times through it. Mistakes arent made that were made initially and the scaling of skilling, isk, etc are much more efficient as one goes on.
But....
What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time? What if we could, after character creation and placement with all the starting skills, wipe our minds but only of Eve?
This would mean you could place yourself into the best or worst positions in Eve again and again but with the added twist that it WOULD be completely new for you.
What paths would you take if you could do this? Would you do the same path and truly min/max it and then afterwards tabulate the variances? Would you try different things? Would you purposefully make yourself the worst off you could to give yourself a challenge (this would have worked much better with the old attributes from bloodlines)? Would you simply play "god" and make yourself uber leet in every facet? Would you supply yourself with personal "cheats" so that you could benefit? Or even personal failsafes?
Heh enjoy the thought idea of my day in relation to this lovely game.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
598
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Posted - 2016.10.25 01:37:21 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: We know that Eve is more simple the second, third or more times through it. Mistakes arent made that were made initially and the scaling of skilling, isk, etc are much more efficient as one goes on. But.... What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time? What if we could, after character creation and placement with all the starting skills, wipe our minds but only of Eve? This would mean you could place yourself into the best or worst positions in Eve again and again but with the added twist that it WOULD be completely new for you. What paths would you take if you could do this? Would you do the same path and truly min/max it and then afterwards tabulate the variances? Would you try different things? Would you purposefully make yourself the worst off you could to give yourself a challenge (this would have worked much better with the old attributes from bloodlines)? Would you simply play "god" and make yourself uber leet in every facet? Would you supply yourself with personal "cheats" so that you could benefit? Or even personal failsafes? Heh enjoy the thought idea of my day in relation to this lovely game. I would have never trained ANYTHING in regards to mining.
Mining sucks.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
the troll bridge
23491
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Posted - 2016.10.25 01:58:54 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Stuff Stuff
Mining sucks.
Mining doesnt completely suck. Only the part about the mining really. Everything else is pretty much somewhat partially tolerable when drunk or mid self-lobotomy with a slightly sharpened plastic spork.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
598
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Posted - 2016.10.25 02:06:51 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Stuff Stuff
Mining sucks. Mining doesnt completely suck. Only the part about the mining really. Everything else is pretty much somewhat partially tolerable when drunk or mid self-lobotomy with a slightly sharpened plastic spork. I would rather have Rosie O'Donnell sit on my face after taking a box of Ex-Lax than have to mine.
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Francis Raven
ExDominion Evictus.
42
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Posted - 2016.10.25 02:09:27 -
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I started with mining, and would probably wouldnt go much further than a Venture or barge with t1 strips as a new player.
I would much rather focus on combat skills, doing security missions and then moving to null-sec/a wormhole to rat. The isk is easier to come by as a new player - simply join a corp that does that kind of stuff. Besides, if you CHOOSE to keep mining, the ores are better in those types of systems.
Exploration is another thing that a new player can invest a bit of skillpoints, and get a TON of reward for. Much more inconsistent than ratting and missions though.
Plus when you do decide to do PVP, you'll have some combat-related and support skills up and ready.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1384
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Posted - 2016.10.25 03:03:30 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Stuff Stuff
Mining sucks. Mining doesnt completely suck. Only the part about the mining really. Everything else is pretty much somewhat partially tolerable when drunk or mid self-lobotomy with a slightly sharpened plastic spork. I would rather have Rosie O'Donnell sit on my face after taking a box of Ex-Lax than have to mine.
So what I got from that statement is that you have a fetish about having an angry lesbian poop on your head.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Gogela
Heh...
3362
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Posted - 2016.10.25 03:11:46 -
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I've done a lot of things in EvE. It has high replayability. Am in agreement that mining sucks and have no desire to try it. Still... plenty of other things to do. Fly casual and there's a ton to do. Get too serious and it narrows your options but there's still plenty to do.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2016.10.25 03:47:29 -
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Elenahina wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Stuff Stuff
Mining sucks. Mining doesnt completely suck. Only the part about the mining really. Everything else is pretty much somewhat partially tolerable when drunk or mid self-lobotomy with a slightly sharpened plastic spork. I would rather have Rosie O'Donnell sit on my face after taking a box of Ex-Lax than have to mine. So what I got from that statement is that you have a fetish about having an angry lesbian poop on your head. It isn't considered a fetish when the second option is much worse. That is how I feel about mining.
But you know, whatever floats my boat...
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1704
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Posted - 2016.10.25 04:02:05 -
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Far as I am concerned, mining is basically fishing. Something to do to unwind, not exactly something I want to do full time every day all day.
Bring friends. And alcohol. Lots of alcohol.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
648
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Posted - 2016.10.25 04:31:07 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote: I would rather have Rosie O'Donnell sit on my face after taking a box of Ex-Lax than have to mine.
I'd mine. lol
@lunettelulu7
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34307
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Posted - 2016.10.25 05:16:16 -
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seven years in, four of them active, and I still haven't played all of this game lol.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45233
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Posted - 2016.10.25 05:40:10 -
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If I could, I'd learn to shoot straighter.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
584
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Posted - 2016.10.25 06:07:04 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Stuff Stuff
Mining sucks. Mining doesnt completely suck. Only the part about the mining really. Everything else is pretty much somewhat partially tolerable when drunk or mid self-lobotomy with a slightly sharpened plastic spork.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1052
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Posted - 2016.10.25 07:59:57 -
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LOL the point of this wasnt what you wouldnt do or what you would do in the strictest sense of the idea. But if you could reroll without knowing what you know but still having set it up as such with foreknowledge would you do it the same?
Kind of like life... if you had known what you do now, irregardless the age, would you do it the same? Then put THAT into the Eve context.
But thanx for the laughs as I run 9 miners around and drink beer, eat steaks and fries and watch Fight Club for the umpteenth time.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34309
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Posted - 2016.10.25 09:50:33 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:LOL the point of this wasnt what you wouldnt do or what you would do in the strictest sense of the idea. But if you could reroll without knowing what you know but still having set it up as such with foreknowledge would you do it the same? Kind of like life... if you had known what you do now, irregardless the age, would you do it the same? Then put THAT into the Eve context. But thanx for the laughs as I run 9 miners around and drink beer, eat steaks and fries and watch Fight Club for the umpteenth time. Okay, if I had to do this I would tattoo reminders on myself a la Memento
DON'T LIKE MARAUDERS THEY DON'T ACTUALLY SPEND TIME DEEP IN ENEMY TERRITORY
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1052
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Posted - 2016.10.25 10:00:18 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:LOL the point of this wasnt what you wouldnt do or what you would do in the strictest sense of the idea. But if you could reroll without knowing what you know but still having set it up as such with foreknowledge would you do it the same? Kind of like life... if you had known what you do now, irregardless the age, would you do it the same? Then put THAT into the Eve context. But thanx for the laughs as I run 9 miners around and drink beer, eat steaks and fries and watch Fight Club for the umpteenth time. Okay, if I had to do this I would tattoo reminders on myself a la Memento DON'T LIKE MARAUDERS THEY DON'T ACTUALLY SPEND TIME DEEP IN ENEMY TERRITORY This was the point of the last parts. What would you want to forget, so you can have fun doing it again because it was fun the first time, what would you avoid because no matter how many times you tried it it wouldnt be fun? Stuff like that. Dont limit yourself to simple skill paths you would or wouldnt try. What would you want to suddenly "know" that might save your butt or get you that swanky killmail? aka cheat codes
Most people at first would want to know everything still. To be an adult in a childs world. But after a while would you want to challenge yourself? Some wouldnt, 'winning isnt everything its the only thing,' others would want the game on hard mode. What would you do to make it hard mode? Stop yourself from knowing certain things?
Skies the limit, only thing stopping you is yourself.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34310
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Posted - 2016.10.25 10:35:34 -
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None of it turned out to be fun, it was all imagination and false hope
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1634
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Posted - 2016.10.25 10:37:34 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time?
What if...your mental furniture wasn't trucked in by Hollywood and arranged by happenstance?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
376
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Posted - 2016.10.25 14:46:20 -
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When I made Gadget it was in preparation for the about-to-be-released Industry makeover a few years back. However what makes her different from other toons that I've made is a restriction that I voluntarily placed on her:
Gadget can only use what she creates herself, obtains with LP, or finds while ratting.
So far I've only broken that restriction twice. Once was to give her an MTU three days after she was created, and the second was to give her an old Procurer after an alt upgraded to a Skiff.
Now, Gadget can pretty much make more things than she can fly, and because of her restrictions, she became a bit of a module pack-rat. The restriction is still there, though has less meaning other than it made replaying the game interesting.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18807
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Posted - 2016.10.25 15:22:12 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Far as I am concerned, mining is basically fishing. Something to do to unwind, not exactly something I want to do full time every day all day.
Bring friends. And alcohol. Lots of alcohol. You know I think the same thing about hunting minors...
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
381
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Posted - 2016.10.25 15:23:45 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: You know I think the same thing about hunting minors...
Whoa!
That's like FBI Illegal
--Gadget recognizing a Stranger Danger
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2533
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Posted - 2016.10.25 15:24:46 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Far as I am concerned, mining is basically fishing. Something to do to unwind, not exactly something I want to do full time every day all day.
Bring friends. And alcohol. Lots of alcohol. You know I think the same thing about hunting minors...
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18807
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Posted - 2016.10.25 15:29:00 -
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MINERS ! HUNTING MINERS ! god damn smart phone.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1052
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Posted - 2016.10.25 15:31:47 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time? What if...your mental furniture wasn't trucked in by Hollywood and arranged by happenstance? Well I guess I should read more then huh? I mean most were books before Hollywood ever got a hold of them. Maybe I should read some nonfiction too? Maybe some TED talks here and there? Or would the news be better? Would you advise FOX or CNN, BBC or CBC, maybe Al Jazeera?
But you still didnt answer the question Chopper. But then maybe you just dont want to.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1052
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Posted - 2016.10.25 15:33:32 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:When I made Gadget it was in preparation for the about-to-be-released Industry makeover a few years back. However what makes her different from other toons that I've made is a restriction that I voluntarily placed on her:
Gadget can only use what she creates herself, obtains with LP, or finds while ratting.
So far I've only broken that restriction twice. Once was to give her an MTU three days after she was created, and the second was to give her an old Procurer after an alt upgraded to a Skiff.
Now, Gadget can pretty much make more things than she can fly, and because of her restrictions, she became a bit of a module pack-rat. The restriction is still there, though has less meaning other than it made replaying the game interesting.
--Gadget Thank you Gadget. That was what I was looking for.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
71
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Posted - 2016.10.25 16:00:15 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: We know that Eve is more simple the second, third or more times through it. Mistakes arent made that were made initially and the scaling of skilling, isk, etc are much more efficient as one goes on. But.... What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time? What if we could, after character creation and placement with all the starting skills, wipe our minds but only of Eve? This would mean you could place yourself into the best or worst positions in Eve again and again but with the added twist that it WOULD be completely new for you. What paths would you take if you could do this? Would you do the same path and truly min/max it and then afterwards tabulate the variances? Would you try different things? Would you purposefully make yourself the worst off you could to give yourself a challenge (this would have worked much better with the old attributes from bloodlines)? Would you simply play "god" and make yourself uber leet in every facet? Would you supply yourself with personal "cheats" so that you could benefit? Or even personal failsafes? Heh enjoy the thought idea of my day in relation to this lovely game. hm........
i can't say i'd do anything differently from what i have.
well....other than put my character in the Caldari State.....(though thats iffy cause i LOVE my character model right now. 3 tries in the caldari character creator failed to make one i liked. ironic it would be Amarr.....) |
Pandora Carrollon
Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic.
675
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Posted - 2016.10.25 22:18:08 -
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Well, if I didn't know ANYTHING about my first experience, then obviously I wouldn't change a thing since it was utterly wiped from my brain and I actually approached EVE pretty rationally.
If you're asking what advice I'd give an utter newbie, that's an entirely different question.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1634
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Posted - 2016.10.26 00:00:27 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time? What if...your mental furniture wasn't trucked in by Hollywood and arranged by happenstance? Well I guess I should read more then huh? I mean most were books before Hollywood ever got a hold of them. Maybe I should read some nonfiction too? Maybe some TED talks here and there? Or would the news be better? Would you advise FOX or CNN, BBC or CBC, maybe Al Jazeera? But you still didnt answer the question Chopper. But then maybe you just dont want to.
Where you source the contents of your head is entirely up to you. If ideas and questions that spring from there are so derivative that you cry out to be hazed, there's no sense in trying to turn it around. The matrix and the heresy of the Cathars, a Manichean worldview mixed up with reincarnation, informed by video games. Yeesh. What would i do differently if i started again knowing nothing? Come on.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1052
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Posted - 2016.10.26 00:26:00 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Well, if I didn't know ANYTHING about my first experience, then obviously I wouldn't change a thing since it was utterly wiped from my brain and I actually approached EVE pretty rationally.
If you're asking what advice I'd give an utter newbie, that's an entirely different question. No, not looking for newbie advice. Just if you could what would you do differently. Basically its the same question people ask in real life to themselves: if I could would I live my life the same or differently knowing what I know now? Thats all it is.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Sameli Adelora
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:58:43 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:[quote=Eternus8lux8lucis] Stuff Stuff
Mining sucks. Mining doesnt completely suck. Only the part about the mining really. Everything else is pretty much somewhat partially tolerable when drunk or mid self-lobotomy with a slightly sharpened plastic spork. I would rather have Rosie O'Donnell sit on my face after taking a box of Ex-Lax than have to mine.[/quote]
Mining isn't that bad!!
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