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Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:15:00 -
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7/10
you got 2 pages and got many extra troll posts I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:15:00 -
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[quote=Kuronaga]Quote:
Yes. Five people that I know myself personally, and plenty of others I'm sure.
NO WAY!!!
It's the end of console gaming as we know it. Five + people claiming not to want it now. Kinda reminds me of all the people that "quit" EVE not so long ago. Still see them posting though.
People play X Box and the like for the convenience of sitting on the couch in front of a big TV and holding a controller. Relatively few consolers use a keyboard/mouse for controlling the game.
It's a non-issue. Put it to bed, dude. You are simply on the losing end of this argument.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Croniac
Thunder Chickens Indecisive Certainty
3
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:18:00 -
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Its interesting to me that Eve players still think that CCP is making Dust for Eve Players.
Its a completely different game, for a completely different player, it has nothing to do with eve other than a shared universe. Its like comparing Stratego to WWIIOL.
CCP isn't looking to make Eve2. They are looking to make Halo in the eve context. Does the Console version of Halo allow standard keyboard movement (I really don't know, so if it does, don't flame me too much).
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Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:21:00 -
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Croniac wrote:Its interesting to me that Eve players still think that CCP is making Dust for Eve Players.
Its a completely different game, for a completely different player, it has nothing to do with eve other than a shared universe. Its like comparing Stratego to WWIIOL.
CCP isn't looking to make Eve2. They are looking to make Halo in the eve context. Does the Console version of Halo allow standard keyboard movement (I really don't know, so if it does, don't flame me too much).
So if I quit eve tomorrow, my argument suddenly becomes more valid?
Possibly, but then I couldn't troll you guys. Not an even tradeoff, so CCP better comply to my demands.
Quote:these players obviously exist. Quote:GǪbut are irrelevant.
Tippia, never go into business. You have a terrible business sense. Please, stick to a teaching career or something where you can brainwash young teenagers into getting something useless like a liberal arts degree. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:29:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Yea, a few lines of code to make the system recognize a certain type of input that's already supported by the system itself, man that's some hard stuff right there. Right. Like I said: you're missing some pretty important details in making your leap of logic from GÇ£easy to doGÇ¥ to GÇ£doneGÇ¥.
Quote:Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? The same thing that's stopping you from using a PS3 controller in EVE.
Quote:And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? No, that's not flipping the argument GÇö it's the exact same argument, only with the unproven assumption that Move will provide the same advantages as KB/M. So instead, let's actually flip the argument: would it be fair if, in EVE, the only keyboard supported was the Datahand and if the game used 1:1 mouse speed and didn't support any acceleration and didn't detect any other buttons than left- and right click?
Quote:You have a terrible business sense. Maybe, but my business sense is still lightyears ahead of your development sense. Oh, and I can only assume that you're really upset about that lack of a dish washer in the Dust package as well, right? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:29:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Flakey Foont wrote:Kuronaga wrote:http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041 Quote:Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PCGÇÖs keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, itGÇÖs far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support. Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there. The console market is a different market. They don't use keyboards to play. It's true. 100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?
That they can rush an expansion a couple months that appeases asshats.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
207
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:30:00 -
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Loving all these PC4LYF tears.
GET
OVER
IT
ALREADY!!!!
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Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1158
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:31:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? I hardly see how this is game breaking to them. In this day and age im pretty sure just about every household has a keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere if they are really that desperate to balance the scales.
And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? Why, it's all that money, and they can actually AIM better! That's just not fair!
What is stopping you from learning how to effectively use a controller? The input method used for 99% of the PS3 games, they're not exactly complex. Controllers are also perfect for when you're not sitting at a desk, which I'd take a guess most PS3 players are not.
As for the PS Move, it has pros and cons. Sure aiming is improved, it's good for sniping and such but no way can you use it to effectively turn and orient as fast as a controller. Clearing a close quarters room with a PS Move puts you at a disadvantage. Controllers of course are the opposite, so they're balanced control methods. Keyboard and mouse gives you both superior aiming and turning speed, it would be preferable to controllers and the PS Move.
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Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:33:00 -
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Logan LaMort wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? I hardly see how this is game breaking to them. In this day and age im pretty sure just about every household has a keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere if they are really that desperate to balance the scales.
And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? Why, it's all that money, and they can actually AIM better! That's just not fair! What is stopping you from learning how to effectively use a controller? The input method used for 99% of the PS3 games, they're not exactly complex. Controllers are also perfect for when you're not sitting at a desk, which I'd take a guess most PS3 players are not. As for the PS Move, it has pros and cons. Sure aiming is improved, it's good for sniping and such but no way can you use it to effectively turn and orient as fast as a controller. Clearing a close quarters room with a PS Move puts you at a disadvantage. Controllers of course are the opposite, so they're balanced control methods. Keyboard and mouse gives you both superior aiming and turning speed, it would be preferable to controllers and the PS Move.
Good evaluation.
You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2146
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:35:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons? You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:36:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Logan LaMort wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? I hardly see how this is game breaking to them. In this day and age im pretty sure just about every household has a keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere if they are really that desperate to balance the scales.
And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? Why, it's all that money, and they can actually AIM better! That's just not fair! What is stopping you from learning how to effectively use a controller? The input method used for 99% of the PS3 games, they're not exactly complex. Controllers are also perfect for when you're not sitting at a desk, which I'd take a guess most PS3 players are not. As for the PS Move, it has pros and cons. Sure aiming is improved, it's good for sniping and such but no way can you use it to effectively turn and orient as fast as a controller. Clearing a close quarters room with a PS Move puts you at a disadvantage. Controllers of course are the opposite, so they're balanced control methods. Keyboard and mouse gives you both superior aiming and turning speed, it would be preferable to controllers and the PS Move. Good evaluation. You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons? Difference being that everyone who has a PS3 has a PS3 controller. |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
32
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons? You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not?
You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless.
In fact, I'd wager they already owned a keyboard and mouse to begin with. Even console gamers use that thar thing called the internet. If they didn't I think it'd be pretty pointless for them to try playing a MMOFPS. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:42:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons? You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not? You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless. Yes, I would imagine most do provided it remains functional that long. And when they do replace it they get another controller. Why would I get a keyboard and mouse to replace a controller on a system where the vast majority of games can't use it? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2146
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:44:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? You actually think most console FPSes support two controllers for a single player? Or are you just being daft?
The fact remains: the keyboard is an additional cost that doesn't actually add any real additional usefulness, the PS3 controller is not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:44:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons? You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not? You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless. Yes, I would imagine most do provided it remains functional that long. And when they do replace it they get another controller. Why would I get a keyboard and mouse to replace a controller on a system where the vast majority of games can't use it?
If you use a keyboard and mouse, you wear on your controller less, thus break it in slower. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:45:00 -
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Xbox is better than both. |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
32
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? You actually think most console FPSes support two controllers for a single player? Or are you just being daft? The fact remains: the keyboard is an additional cost that doesn't actually add any real additional usefulness, the PS3 controller is not.
Do you believe that the majority of playstation 3 users lack the internet and a basic, non-gaming computer, in the modern age?
If so, why are they attempting to play an MMOFPS, which already assumes they are paying for a broadband internet connection? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2146
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:46:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:If you use a keyboard and mouse, you wear on your controller less, thus break it in slower. So you're using a PS3 controller for EVE, then, because you want to reduce the wear and tear on your keyboard, right? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:If you use a keyboard and mouse, you wear on your controller less, thus break it in slower. So you're using a PS3 controller for EVE, then, because you want to reduce the wear and tear on your keyboard, right?
Keyboards last longer than controllers, because they are not reliant upon rubber contacts that wear over time and other fragile parts that break easily.
The more you know" |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:48:00 -
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I found this for you. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
153
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:50:00 -
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First Lieutenant Dan wrote:I found this for you.Xbox controllers don't use rubber...
the loadout has been updated.. no longer LSE+Shield booster + purges |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2146
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:50:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Keyboards last longer than controllers, because they are not reliant upon rubber contacts that wear over time and other fragile parts that break easily. You haven't disassembled a modern keyboard (or a controller), have you?
Anyway, the question remains: why aren't you using a PS3 controller for EVE? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:51:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons? You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not? You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless. Yes, I would imagine most do provided it remains functional that long. And when they do replace it they get another controller. Why would I get a keyboard and mouse to replace a controller on a system where the vast majority of games can't use it? If you use a keyboard and mouse, you wear on your controller less, thus break it in slower. That makes a pretty weak argument. It's there to be used and of course will wear, and for the vast majority of situations, considering we are talking about a console, the KB/M will be useless.
Necessitating non-standard, rarely used, equipment to be competitive on a console thus raising the entry cost for most players, is a loosing proposition, especially when most of your target audience hasn't even heard of your brand/company.
Edit: My original PS3 controller from 07 is still in working order. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:52:00 -
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He noticed. D: |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:52:00 -
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So in conclusion,
If a person has a PS3 and is planning on getting Dust 514, they have the internet.
If they have the internet, they probably have a PC.
If they have a PC, they have a mouse and keyboard.
If they have a mouse and keyboard, it is not an additional cost.
If it is not an additional cost, Tippia can go back to pretending he's smart in some other thread by using circular logic.
Thank you for playing, it has been a fairly mind numbing experience talking to you, as always. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
153
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Keyboards last longer than controllers, because they are not reliant upon rubber contacts that wear over time and other fragile parts that break easily. You haven't disassembled a modern keyboard (or a controller), have you? Anyway, the question remains: why aren't you using a PS3 controller for EVE?
because its not supported But it can be done probably, but it would not provide any advantage over keyboard + mouse |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1158
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:53:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons? You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not? You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless. In fact, I'd wager they already owned a keyboard and mouse to begin with. Even console gamers use that thar thing called the internet. If they didn't I think it'd be pretty pointless for them to try playing a MMOFPS.
There's a difference between using a keyboard and mouse and using a keyboard and mouse for gaming. I didn't get into PC gaming until a while after I had an original Playstation. I still remember how painful it was learning how to effectively play Unreal Tournament online with a keyboard and mouse after only ever using controllers to control video games. There's no way I would have stuck to it if UT wasn't a mind blowing game.
I doubt many PS3 users would stick to Dust if it was presented to them as a PS3 exclusive and then they found out that the only way they won't get owned is to go buy a USB keyboard and mouse and learn it until their fingers bleed. I seriously doubt Dust would have that much appeal... it would be like the .jpg of the EVE learning curve, because as much as I find a keyboard and mouse so easy to use now, I still remember it's not something you just pick up, especially if you play a controller. Exactly the same when exclusive keyboard and mousers pick up a controller and go all herr durr... they're very different input methods and as a gamer I'm glad I can use both quite effectively. |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
32
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:56:00 -
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You realize that even if you were correct (you're not) we are talking about a game where losing involves paying money for microtransactions. Poor people shouldn't be playing it to begin with, let alone someone who can't find 15 dollars to buy a 10 year old keyboard and mouse with superior ability to their 50 dollar controller. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:58:00 -
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So in conclusion,
If a person has an Xbox and is planning on getting Dust 514, they have the internet.
If they have the internet, they probably have a PC.
If they have a PC, they have a mouse and keyboard.
If they have a mouse and keyboard, it is not an additional cost.
If it is not an additional cost, Tippia can go back to pretending he's smart in some other thread by using circular logic.
Thank you for playing, it has been a fairly mind numbing experience talking to you, as always. |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Keyboards last longer than controllers, because they are not reliant upon rubber contacts that wear over time and other fragile parts that break easily. You haven't disassembled a modern keyboard (or a controller), have you? Anyway, the question remains: why aren't you using a PS3 controller for EVE?
Because it's a ******** idea that came from your mind.
Also, I mod controllers quite often, and did a lot of work specifically on the original xbox 360 launch controller which had a terrible dpad for fighting games.
The PS3 controller actually wears down faster, but has a much better pad to start with for precision, so I didn't have to work with it much.
I've been a PC gamer just as long as I've been a console gamer, and from experience I can easily state that keyboards last far longer. |
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