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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:47:12 -
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If someone is apart of a corporation they cannot sign up for faction warfare as an individual and I don't see why. An individual should be able to without their corp or having to leave it.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2535
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:48:46 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:If someone is apart of a corporation they cannot sign up for faction warfare as an individual and I don't see why. An individual should be able to without their corp or having to leave it.
Thoughts?
That might be nice, but it was probably a lot easier to co-opt existing war mechanics for the implementation of FW, and I don't think it would be so nice to warrant the dev hours to allow engagement in wars on an individual character level.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
411
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:57:36 -
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Isn't this exactly what alts are for?
KB
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
112
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:05:46 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:If someone is apart of a corporation they cannot sign up for faction warfare as an individual and I don't see why. An individual should be able to without their corp or having to leave it.
Thoughts? That might be nice, but it was probably a lot easier to co-opt existing war mechanics for the implementation of FW, and I don't think it would be so nice to warrant the dev hours to allow engagement in wars on an individual character level. That's the thing, you already can sign up as an individual, you just cant be in a non FW corp/alliance. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
112
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:07:16 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Isn't this exactly what alts are for?
KB Not every one of us peasants can afford that. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2535
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:09:16 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:If someone is apart of a corporation they cannot sign up for faction warfare as an individual and I don't see why. An individual should be able to without their corp or having to leave it.
Thoughts? That might be nice, but it was probably a lot easier to co-opt existing war mechanics for the implementation of FW, and I don't think it would be so nice to warrant the dev hours to allow engagement in wars on an individual character level. That's the thing, you already can sign up as an individual, you just cant be in a non FW corp/alliance.
*sigh*
No, actually, what happens when you sign up as an individual is that you join the special corporation that is involved in the war.
There is no concept of a character-level war dec.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
113
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:23:24 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:If someone is apart of a corporation they cannot sign up for faction warfare as an individual and I don't see why. An individual should be able to without their corp or having to leave it.
Thoughts? That might be nice, but it was probably a lot easier to co-opt existing war mechanics for the implementation of FW, and I don't think it would be so nice to warrant the dev hours to allow engagement in wars on an individual character level. That's the thing, you already can sign up as an individual, you just cant be in a non FW corp/alliance. *sigh* No, actually, what happens when you sign up as an individual is that you join the special corporation that is involved in the war, at which point the normal war mechanics are pretty much just inherited and you're off to the races. There is no concept of a character-level war dec. Doing this would require adding a way for a single character to be a party to a war independent of their corporate affiliation, which would probably require adding new mechanics just to support this edge case. I mean... it cant be that complicated... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45234
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:28:34 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:If someone is apart of a corporation they cannot sign up for faction warfare as an individual and I don't see why. An individual should be able to without their corp or having to leave it.
Thoughts? That's one of the things identified to add when FW next gets some love.
When Sugar Kyle was on the CSM she was a strong advocate for lowsec and there are a few changes, including this one, noted in CSM minutes from last year.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2535
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:34:11 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:If someone is apart of a corporation they cannot sign up for faction warfare as an individual and I don't see why. An individual should be able to without their corp or having to leave it.
Thoughts? That might be nice, but it was probably a lot easier to co-opt existing war mechanics for the implementation of FW, and I don't think it would be so nice to warrant the dev hours to allow engagement in wars on an individual character level. That's the thing, you already can sign up as an individual, you just cant be in a non FW corp/alliance. *sigh* No, actually, what happens when you sign up as an individual is that you join the special corporation that is involved in the war, at which point the normal war mechanics are pretty much just inherited and you're off to the races. There is no concept of a character-level war dec. Doing this would require adding a way for a single character to be a party to a war independent of their corporate affiliation, which would probably require adding new mechanics just to support this edge case. I mean... it cant be that complicated...
Yeah, you'd think. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
165
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:37:13 -
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Won't doing FW have the capacity to dunk your "real" corps standings from all the faction NPCs you have to shoot or what?
I've never done FW, but that seems like an issue that would have to be addressed to make solo opt-in reasonable. Not a lot of corps would appreciate having one of their members thrashing standings like that unless its already a FW corp right? |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2536
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:40:09 -
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PopeUrban wrote:Won't doing FW have the capacity to dunk your "real" corps standings from all the faction NPCs you have to shoot or what?
I've never done FW, but that seems like an issue that would have to be addressed to make solo opt-in reasonable. Not a lot of corps would appreciate having one of their members thrashing standings like that unless its already a FW corp right?
Corporation standings (meaning the standings of a player corp to NPC corps and factions) don't really mean a whole lot anymore. Once upon a time you needed them to anchor a tower in HS - that's gone. The only other thing I can really recall them affecting off the top of my head is the ability of a corp to be in FW. There is (or was, no idea if this still exists) a minimum of... I think +0.5?
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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
411
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:27:05 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:KaarBaak wrote:Isn't this exactly what alts are for?
KB Not every one of us peasants can afford that. You're given two alts for free on your account.
If you can't afford free...
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
113
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:36:46 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:KaarBaak wrote:Isn't this exactly what alts are for?
KB Not every one of us peasants can afford that. You're given two alts for free on your account. If you can't afford free... Not everybody wants to cannibalize their mains training time. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
113
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Posted - 2016.10.25 20:39:00 -
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PopeUrban wrote:Won't doing FW have the capacity to dunk your "real" corps standings from all the faction NPCs you have to shoot or what?
I've never done FW, but that seems like an issue that would have to be addressed to make solo opt-in reasonable. Not a lot of corps would appreciate having one of their members thrashing standings like that unless its already a FW corp right? Part of this I hope would be the separation of individuals and corps/alliances. Personally the NPC standing system is silly in its current form. |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
163
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Posted - 2016.10.26 01:40:37 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:If someone is apart of a corporation they cannot sign up for faction warfare as an individual and I don't see why. An individual should be able to without their corp or having to leave it.
Thoughts? That might be nice, but it was probably a lot easier to co-opt existing war mechanics for the implementation of FW, and I don't think it would be so nice to warrant the dev hours to allow engagement in wars on an individual character level. That's the thing, you already can sign up as an individual, you just cant be in a non FW corp/alliance. *sigh* No, actually, what happens when you sign up as an individual is that you join the special corporation that is involved in the war, at which point the normal war mechanics are pretty much just inherited and you're off to the races. There is no concept of a character-level war dec. Doing this would require adding a way for a single character to be a party to a war independent of their corporate affiliation, which would probably require adding new mechanics just to support this edge case. I mean... it cant be that complicated... Clearly you have no concept of the depths of the spaghetti code. Even if it's possible to wardec a single character, i shudder to imagine the things it would break.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1052
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Posted - 2016.10.26 01:45:28 -
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With the ease of corp hopping into and out of FW this is just abuseable imo for free targets without going "pirate" and engaging anyway for the standings loss under normal low sec rules. Itd be way to easy to hop in and out whenever one wanted to and remove any of the even slight consequences of committing to FW.
So for me thatd be a big I hope not, no.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2016.10.26 02:29:50 -
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If you want to be able to join FW at a character level, I want to be able to wardec you at a character level. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
113
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Posted - 2016.10.26 03:48:54 -
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Princess Adhara wrote:If you want to be able to join FW at a character level, I want to be able to wardec you at a character level. Ok! Where I live wardecs don't matter so have at it! As long as CCP charges enough
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2016.10.26 04:07:18 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Isn't this exactly what alts are for?
KB
The reason you have no thumbs up is because lots of us are not alt whores. Lots of us actually play with one character and like it like that. Alts are actually a stain on the game.
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2016.10.26 04:08:38 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:With the ease of corp hopping into and out of FW this is just abuseable imo for free targets without going "pirate" and engaging anyway for the standings loss under normal low sec rules. Itd be way to easy to hop in and out whenever one wanted to and remove any of the even slight consequences of committing to FW.
So for me thatd be a big I hope not, no.
So much disposable iskcome for that fancy suit and yet so little understanding..
Its no different than if you were in an NPC corp and did the same hop, and no one is complaining about that at all. If it were really an issue it would've been a very loud one by now.
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium Sustainable Whaling Inc.
11
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Posted - 2016.10.26 04:32:59 -
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So imagine you live in nullsec, but when you need ISK for shiny ships you hop on your FW clone for a few days, do some dank l4 missions and go back when you got the money.
FW doesn't need more mission farmers who are not interested in the war effort. This proposal will bring exactly that. They at least are forced to use alts in current system. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2016.10.26 05:30:50 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:So imagine you live in nullsec, but when you need ISK for shiny ships you hop on your FW clone for a few days, do some dank l4 missions and go back when you got the money.
FW doesn't need more mission farmers who are not interested in the war effort. This proposal will bring exactly that. They at least are forced to use alts in current system.
Nonsensical claims. If someone lives in null, they can make more money with their main in null than taking their main all the way back to the center of the map to plex FW, which is long and boring for actually not that much isk.
If they already use alts, its because that process is much cheaper for them in terms of logistics.
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
18434
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Posted - 2016.10.26 06:27:40 -
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You can still kill FW targets even when being in NPC corporation. But the rest of privilages you can get only while having more risk on your head, being in FW all the way in FW corporation. Everything is ok.
Enlisting as individual in FW, why? You can be in NPC FW corporation if you dont like someone spying on you.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Ishido Attaka
Purity of the Iron Cold
19
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Posted - 2016.10.26 07:18:58 -
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IIRC that suggestion was one of few planned to implement for FW rewamp. Together with 4 sided war and suspect flag for any neutral, who enters the PLEX. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
113
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Posted - 2016.10.26 07:43:20 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote:So imagine you live in nullsec, but when you need ISK for shiny ships you hop on your FW clone for a few days, do some dank l4 missions and go back when you got the money.
FW doesn't need more mission farmers who are not interested in the war effort. This proposal will bring exactly that. They at least are forced to use alts in current system. Nonsensical claims. If someone lives in null, they can make more money with their main in null than taking their main all the way back to the center of the map to plex FW, which is long and boring for actually not that much isk. If they already use alts, its because that process is much cheaper for them in terms of logistics. Exactly, Nobody said I wanted the isk only :) |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
113
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Posted - 2016.10.26 07:44:41 -
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Ishido Attaka wrote:IIRC that suggestion was one of few planned to implement for FW rewamp. Together with 4 sided war and suspect flag for any neutral, who enters the PLEX. Will dayz be out when this happens? Last year CSM summit? Holy cow... kinda reminds me of the new dominix model they showed at fan fest then never released haha. |
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