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JPC2501
Phalanx Armament
3
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Posted - 2016.10.26 17:56:16 -
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Hey thank you all for the advice. I was playing EVE for 5 years, and then was away for 5, now I feel like a total rookie again. Right now IGÇÖm just trying to get organized and find stuff to liquidate for ISK, (having lived in a c6 WH its really scattered) then find something to do here.
A lot has changed from my perspective. Looks like all the cargo ships have changed in terms of fitting and intended use.
I didnGÇÖt even realize such a strong tank could be fitted to a transport now, and that what was previously the low end model is now the tougher of the two. So from what I can see, we have 1 major strategy GÇô Cargo Value vs Gank cost. Thanks for the math on that.
And 2 Fitting strategies, both of which seem to have some merit. 1. Tank + warp stabilizers 2. Speed, Maneuverability, Cloak. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1234
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Posted - 2016.10.26 18:10:32 -
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JPC2501 wrote:ThatGÇÖs the info I was looking for, thank you Lasisha. I didnGÇÖt realize this had become so much of an issue even on low value cargo.
In this regard nothing much has changed in the last 6 years. It was just as bad an idea back then as it is today, to put more than 50M worth into a T1 hauler.
T1 haulers with 100M or more have always been prime ganking targets, unless you took precautions.
Remove insurance.
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xXuber-NitsheXx
94
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Posted - 2016.10.27 01:50:24 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it. so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill Whom are you quoting here? Can you link any sources for these egregious allegations? No? So you made those quotes up out of whole cloth? Figured... The truth is, New Order permits are in fact honored, it's just that highsec carebears are terrible at following the few simple rules that everyone else in the game routinely adhere to.
, I provide the link from an internal mail.
Permits are not honoured.
But hey, make JimJones315 rich, he is smart and you are his peon in the hierarchy of things.
Do you empty his chamber pot in the morning?
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
228
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Posted - 2016.10.27 07:42:31 -
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Major Trant wrote:Geronimo McVain wrote:I do it this way: fill the lows with as much warp Stabies as you can. put a cloak and an MWD on, arrange cloak and MWD in the hud (F1 and F2) MWD Trick and be gone. Remember: they have scouts so little break (at a planet/station) right before going through Udema is messing it up for them too.
This way the gankers have very little time to point you and he/they has/have to land a lot of points. Not likely. If you do the MWD right you have IMHO two secs to go into warp which is enough. 1 sec to target you (after you came out of cloak), 1 for the point to hit. When the point would hit you should be in warp. Once someone got lucky, or I was careless, and landed a point and I just waved him goodby while Concord had a little talk to him. Thanks stabies. You can't get a Medium MWD on a T1 hauler. Filling the lows with Warp Stabies isn't going to do a lot for you in high sec either as in most case you will be dead before you can go to warp and they will conflict with the need for cargohold mods. ???? Where is the problem with a 50 MWD on a T1 Hauler + Cloak + stabis on a hauler? Sure you will have to cut into the tank but the idea is not to survive the ganking attempt but not getting caught in the first place. Tank on this configuartion is superfluous because when you are caught you are dead. When fitting tank you are relying on the (lack of) skills of the attacker and my configuration relays on your own ability to pull the MWD trick. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2972
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Posted - 2016.10.27 09:43:50 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" More lies to mislead people into bot-aspirancy. I think it is obvious to anyone but you how you are responsible for the actions we have to take against the miners who listen to your words. It's like you would tell some kids "drugs are fine, don't listen to the parents and the police, they are a corrupt system, you will be fine" and then you tell everyone it is the polices fault if they catch those kids.
Stop this insanity now and comply to the Code!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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xXuber-NitsheXx
95
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Posted - 2016.10.27 09:52:33 -
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Now she knows her place, she is the chamber pot. The wretched of the Universe.
Out there day after day ganking her hump for just one man, no recognition for her hard work.
N the man comes around each week for her filthy lucre.
A slap or some ridicule if she does not meet her quota.
Break free young lady, he treats you no good......
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2016.10.27 09:54:39 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" More lies to mislead people into bot-aspirancy. I think it is obvious to anyone but you how you are responsible for the actions we have to take against the miners who listen to your words. It's like you would tell some kids "drugs are fine, don't listen to the parents and the police, they are a corrupt system, you will be fine" and then you tell everyone it is the polices fault if they catch those kids. Stop this insanity now and comply to the Code! Yes the CODE
A protection racket, that does not even protect you from themselves let alone anyone else. Born to kill mining bots and now reduced to ganking anything that moves, for profit or just killboard stats. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2972
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Posted - 2016.10.27 09:55:27 -
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Our fearless former alliance leader (may he rest in peace) obviously discusses in this link the validity of a gank if the suspect in question is in violation of the Code but still has a mining permit. I quote:
loyalanon #1 PvPer of EVE and fearless leader of the CODE. alliance wrote: Also as far as I am concerned TCE does not recognise permits as a way for a miner to avoid justice.
I highlighted the important part for you.
Fact is there is not a single documented case of a wrongfully executed gank. We even have our internal affairs department which deals with such accusations and studies each case without bias.
As you can see this is a perfect system and the miners are in good hands if only they follow the Code.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2972
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Posted - 2016.10.27 10:01:40 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Born to kill mining bots and now reduced to ganking anything that moves, for profit or just killboard stats. We often encounter this argument that we used to go after bots. It is actually not true. Can you elaborate how you came up or who gave you this idea?
We are probably the most open alliance and there is literally hundreds of pages of documentation about our motivation. But somehow the rebels are still confused. It says a lot about their ability to form a consistent thought and about why they fail continuously non-stop daily.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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xXuber-NitsheXx
96
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Posted - 2016.10.27 10:08:25 -
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Ima, this song goes out to you. You know you are close to my heart and forever in my thoughts.
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2016.10.27 10:33:11 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Born to kill mining bots and now reduced to ganking anything that moves, for profit or just killboard stats. We often encounter this argument that we used to go after bots. It is actually not true. Can you elaborate how you came up or who gave you this idea? We are probably the most open alliance and there is literally hundreds of pages of documentation about our motivation. But somehow the rebels are still confused. It says a lot about their ability to form a consistent thought and about why they fail continuously non-stop daily. I don't know
Might have been some of the Great James 315's statements
James 315 wrote: Why Do Miners Violate the Code? Whenever I venture forth unto the ice fields and asteroid belts of highsec to enforce the New Halaima Code of Conduct, there are always miners who vociferously object to the Code. Partly that's because they don't like the idea of being placed under someone else's authority. But some of the highsec miners genuinely disagree with the Code--often without having read it.
On occasion, I'll ask the miners what about the Code they actually disagree with, and what they would to improve it. I know they won't have any good ideas, but I ask the question out of respect. In fact, the highsec miners have to concede that they agree with nearly every provision in the Code; they oppose botting, for instance. And miners have different ideas about whether AFK mining is desirable. At this time there was a huge botting problem and James 315 was actually helpful in solving it.
James 315 wrote:Having degraded themselves through a career of minimal, repetitive activity for "fun," the miners slowly transform themselves into bots. Most highsec miners claim to hate the bots, but their actions suggest they aspire to become bots, or as close as they can get. Sadly, CCP has enabled them by providing them with the tools of their addiction. Miners are now just one mouse-click per hour from becoming bots.
As you will also denote miner bumping was about exactly that. Bumping miners out of the range of minerals. Not killing them or anyone else for fun or profit.
James 315 wrote:The New Order began as a dream, as one man with a stabber bumping some miners in Halaima. They said it was impossible. They said I was a dreamer, and they were right--but I'm not the only one. We are the hope and the future of EVE. No one can stop the New Order. They can only join us, and love us. Highsec is ours. You are nothing more than the repetitive clicking people James 315 set up Miner Bumping to stop. You have turned from your God and may he strike you down. |
Ishido Attaka
Purity of the Iron Cold
21
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Posted - 2016.10.27 11:00:24 -
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JPC2501 wrote: we have 1 major strategy GÇô Cargo Value vs Gank cost. Thanks for the math on that. .
Wrong. It was valid year or two ago and only worked for procurers.
Today you will be shot by CODE. or ministry of luv losers just because you fly a hauler. Even empty one. Because of blackmail. As soon as they manage to destroy your defensless ship and cowardly eject from thiers before concord destroys it (apparently they are not able to care weight of responsibility for their own deeds) you will get a mail. Not one but more of them. They will demand money or you will be killed on sight because you are now on their list.
My guess that those loosers get much more money from stupid players, who think paying permit will help then avoid ganking. Reality is, that after first money you will be charged for more, for different reasons, pretty much regulary letters. Because they claim, that high sec is theirs and you are there... Even if you keep paying more and more you will be scanned and killed if you carry something, what they want. Because "transporting capital ship parts require extra permit", for example.
You are paying - that the whole reason why this will happen to you. All those idiots, who bought permits, are to blame for high sec ganking of even empty haulers. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2974
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Posted - 2016.10.27 12:27:20 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:rabble Seriously, maybe you should start to read the blog from the time when all this started. Yes, James started out bumping miners, not bots and as soon as more people joined the fun they quickly started ganking as a much more effective way of dealing with the bot-aspirants.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2974
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Posted - 2016.10.27 12:30:09 -
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Ishido Attaka wrote:and cowardly eject from thiers before concord destroys it Lol, and why exactly should we eject?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
85
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Posted - 2016.10.27 13:45:07 -
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xXuber-NitsheXx wrote:Galaxy Duck wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands. no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system" theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it. so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill Whom are you quoting here? Can you link any sources for these egregious allegations? No? So you made those quotes up out of whole cloth? Figured... The truth is, New Order permits are in fact honored, it's just that highsec carebears are terrible at following the few simple rules that everyone else in the game routinely adhere to. , I provide the link from an internal mail. Permits are not honoured. But hey, make JimJones315 rich, he is smart and you are his peon in the hierarchy of things. Do you empty his chamber pot in the morning?
1) Those quotes aren't anywhere in the link you provided, so they're not quotes at all, but in fact 100% fabricated lies.
2) If you have access to our alliance evemails, then you can plainly see that the New Order as a whole rejected loyalanon's disregard for mining permits. You'll notice that he is no longer our alliance head. The guy was flying off the handle and heading straight for a ban.
3) James 315 is the only leader of the New Order movement. Always has been. The executor of CODE. is a glorified secretarial position.
4) Permits ARE in fact honored, and you have absolutely no evidence to the contrary. Just admit it.
5) loyalanon is australian.
6) I'm a happy peon. |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
85
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Posted - 2016.10.27 13:57:51 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:
As you will also denote miner bumping was about exactly that. Bumping miners out of the range of minerals. Not killing them or anyone else for fun or profit.
Lolwut?
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xXuber-NitsheXx
100
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Posted - 2016.10.27 14:24:11 -
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"A happy Codie is content to hold his masters bucket no matter how splashed he gets."
James513 Codie Manifest , annex 3, addendum F.
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
85
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Posted - 2016.10.27 15:31:47 -
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I'm glad to see that your argument has devolved into vacuous ad hominems. An objective observer can now see very clearly who the goofus is here.
Mission accomplished. \o/ |
Soltys
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2016.10.27 17:04:22 -
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JPC2501 wrote: Hi IGÇÖve been away for a few years and just recently returned. IGÇÖm wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.
I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly. The cargo wasnGÇÖt even that valuable, about 150mil.
Is there anyway to defend against this?
1) use scout(s) 2) use channel chats with ganking intel 3) make bookmarks in the systems you pass through 4) double wrap packages (and rename them along the way) 5) use proper ship for the job, e.g.
1m ehp impel (or analogous other DSTs, beware heavy neut pressure though) <1s align astero (alternatively jackdaw/hecate can go <1s as well and notably cheaper, but you lose covops) BR of your choice if your cargo is somewhere between those. Yacht is damn nice ship for tiny super valuable cargo as well (covops, nullified, can go <2s)
None of this of course guarantee immunity, the ships pushed to those limits can be relatively expensive - but at least some of those combined can lower the chance to near 0.
Jita Flipping Inc.: Kovl
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2016.10.27 20:44:13 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:rabble Seriously, maybe you should start to read the blog from the time when all this started. Yes, James started out bumping miners, not bots and as soon as more people joined the fun they quickly started ganking as a much more effective way of dealing with the bot-aspirants. So you turned away from your god and started to kill in his name. Now you perform repetitive clicks and hoard isk the same as those he sort to stop.
Burn blasphemer!! |
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
85
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Posted - 2016.10.27 20:52:29 -
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Mark, is that all you got, man? Your posts get goofier and goofier.
I especially love it when carebears try to teach us about the history of OUR OWN ORGANIZATION. lolol |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2016.10.27 20:56:41 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:Mark, is that all you got, man? Your posts get goofier and goofier.
I especially love it when carebears try to teach us about the history of OUR OWN ORGANIZATION. lolol Ahh another CODE violator.
You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. You are those he sort to come forth and destroy. You are a bot aspirant.
His truth shall be remembered by New Eden and your kind will burn in the fires. |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
590
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:10:02 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Ahh another CODE violator.
You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. You are those he sort to come forth and destroy. You are a bot aspirant.
His truth shall be remembered by New Eden and your kind will burn in the fires.
Wait a second. Last time it was James using us to get rich, not the other way around.
See, that's why you anti-gankers always fail. You can't even take a little time to fine-tune your tinfoil hats to a single wavelength. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1211
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:12:12 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:21:05 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP.
James 315 wrote:Everyone knows that a highsec miner is motivated by greed. And not just a desire to gain, which could equally be attributed to the conquerors of nullsec, but a particular kind of senseless, materialistic greed. They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name.
OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1211
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:52:11 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP. James 315 wrote:Everyone knows that a highsec miner is motivated by greed. And not just a desire to gain, which could equally be attributed to the conquerors of nullsec, but a particular kind of senseless, materialistic greed. They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter You're making a useless point here as always.
CCP require agents to have a profit motivation. Internally they are motivated only by good. They aren't motivated by greed. They are just following the rules set by CCP, as everyone should follow rules, beginning with the Code.
Highsec carebears are internally motivated by profit alone. Greed and nothing more.
Huge difference which you will fail to understand because it's foreign to all carebears that there could be any other reasons than what's best for you alone.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2979
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:21:20 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:rabble Seriously, maybe you should start to read the blog from the time when all this started. Yes, James started out bumping miners, not bots and as soon as more people joined the fun they quickly started ganking as a much more effective way of dealing with the bot-aspirants. So you turned away from your god and started to kill in his name. Now you perform repetitive clicks and hoard isk the same as those he sort to stop. Burn blasphemer!! As you can see from my killboard I exclusively kill illegal mining equipment. Bumping is just another tool and we obviously use it as well. But often the message is just better received if it is delivered with antimatter.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27030
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:22:14 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:You claim your actions are good and in his name but you lie and use his name for profit. Of course there use it for profit. They are actually required to have that as a motivation by CCP. James 315 wrote:Everyone knows that a highsec miner is motivated by greed. And not just a desire to gain, which could equally be attributed to the conquerors of nullsec, but a particular kind of senseless, materialistic greed. They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter Who's doing the burning, I have a special deal on accelerants and firelighting equipment this week.
Oh wait, AG; you'll be wanting someone else to do the burning for you.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2979
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:23:48 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter Guys, I think his mind is completely gone now... Must be from too much mining. Always sad if we lose one...
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1211
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Posted - 2016.10.27 22:26:41 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:They have turned from the true teachings of his greatness and will burn, in his name. OOC: What Code are the only ones allowed to act like a religious nutter Guys, I think his mind is completely gone now... Must be from too much mining. Always sad if we lose one... It seems that whoever wrote his bottng script forgot to include any intelligence.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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