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Duke deGulia
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Posted - 2007.03.28 13:06:00 -
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Mods: please clean up the posts in this thread - this forum is for exchange of messages and information between organisations, not a space for rants from disgruntled ex-employees.
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Taikun Brunel
Gallente Evolved Gamer
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Posted - 2007.03.28 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 28/03/2007 16:55:44
Originally by: Duke deGulia Mods: please clean up the posts in this thread - this forum is for exchange of messages and information between organisations, not a space for rants from disgruntled ex-employees.
You're dead right. And those who post with no corp or alliance tag are not welcome in this thread.
Goodbye Duke deGulia. You are NOT welcome in this forum.
As for ME, as CEO of my own organisation, with FULL rights to post my opinion about the business ideas and strategies of ISS, I agree 100% with Taikun's comments in the above posts for obvious reasons.
Taikun B
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Tubiger
Survey Division Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.28 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Are you kidding? Who decides where the "caravan" is going to go?
Actually, that would be the clients themselves. We offered visits to friendlies and hostiles alike, and what more can you expect? Granted, I can see how one entity may be unhappy with their enemies becoming well-supplied, but there is nothing preventing that entity from also reaping the benefit. I think we'll find that more alliances will be happy to receive reasonably cheap supplies, rather than hang onto grudges from the past. After all, what should come first? Pride, or the wellbeing of your people?
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Varheg Xan
Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.28 19:57:00 -
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Congratulations on success of the caravan fleet. I admit to being somewhat skeptical when I was in ISS and talk first started of this idea, but it sounds like you pulled it off.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.28 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tubiger
Originally by: Taikun
Are you kidding? Who decides where the "caravan" is going to go?
Actually, that would be the clients themselves. We offered visits to friendlies and hostiles alike, and what more can you expect? Granted, I can see how one entity may be unhappy with their enemies becoming well-supplied, but there is nothing preventing that entity from also reaping the benefit. I think we'll find that more alliances will be happy to receive reasonably cheap supplies, rather than hang onto grudges from the past. After all, what should come first? Pride, or the wellbeing of your people?
Pride! ----------
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Metacannibal
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:46:00 -
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so basically you fly somewhere, dump stuff on the market and jump out, thats indeed very very innovative and epic
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DALE0404
Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Metacannibal so basically you fly somewhere, dump stuff on the market and jump out, thats indeed very very innovative and epic
Oh we do alot more than that!!
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Eiro
Minmatar ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: DALE0404
Originally by: Metacannibal so basically you fly somewhere, dump stuff on the market and jump out, thats indeed very very innovative and epic
Oh we do alot more than that!!
Yes, we buy stuff from them too
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Captin hero
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:52:00 -
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dam good to see ISS back on its feet.. i knew IAC wasnt gonna stop ya
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Taikun Brunel
Gallente Evolved Gamer
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Posted - 2007.03.31 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Captin hero dam good to see ISS back on its feet.. i knew IAC wasnt gonna stop ya
What boosters have you been swollowing?
Here's a quick ISS membership update for you.
Peak, 1000+ members. 4 weeks ago 650 members. Now less than 300 members and falling.
I'm not even going to go into the Station and POS losses as they are in no doubt number in hundreds of billions of ISK.
ISS is not "on it's feet". If anything... ISS is simply twitching their leg like a corpse after it's head was caved in.
It will take one "caravan" gank and ISS will be no more.
Personally I believe there is going to be pleanty of alliances eager for the feather in their cap of squashing them out of existance. You know... just for the pure pleasure of doing it.
Taikun Brunel
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General Meridus
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.31 20:57:00 -
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Actually ISS at its peak was approaching 2000K players:) Anyway, thank you for your unwavering support. As you can see we are still here.
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DALE0404
Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.31 21:51:00 -
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And I cant see us 'going away'!! Blue Star Brotherhood
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.03.31 21:55:00 -
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Serena, are ISS accepting goods from outside corps to ship on these caravans? I have some Deep Core Modulated Strip Miner IIs I'd be interested in supply to markets in 0.0...
-Eva-
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc is recruiting - join channel RTI-IC for detail |
Taikun Brunel
Gallente Evolved Gamer
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Posted - 2007.03.31 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: General Meridus As you can see we are still here.
Much like the "scat" left by a bear in the woods long after the hunter has shot, killed, skinned it and plonked it down in front of his fire to be walked upon. Of course the dregs will linger for a long time. Tis to be expected.
Nevertheless, rah-rah speaches and blind support won't bring the bear back to life now will it? Nor will it return the trillions of shareholder ISK flushed down the toilet by ISS management.
Do the eve community a favour. Just go back to high-sec mining and stop destroying shareholder wealth with poorly implemented bungled political IPO foul-ups. Your memebership desertion speaks for itself. 2000 to 300 and falling. There is a reason they have abandoned ISS and I wager its the very same reasons why nobody should even consider hooking up with you ever again.
Taikun Brunel
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General Meridus
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.01 01:46:00 -
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Well we are recruiting. You are welcome to inquire. Although you seem awfully cranky. *Sigh.
Anyway, safe travels.
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Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2007.04.01 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Brunel Nevertheless, rah-rah speaches and blind support won't bring the bear back to life now will it?
Rah-Rah speeches & blind hate aren't the best ways of killing things either. Personally, I find my ships weapon systems much more effective.
Quote: Nor will it return the trillions of shareholder ISK flushed down the toilet by ISS management.
Yeah, I'd like to call you on that number. Detailed break down or STFU please.
I also think that anyone reasonable will agree that it's a matter of opinion whether the losses were down to ISS management, or the people who attacked the ISS. The argument is done to death, is anything really served by bringing it up again?
Quote: There is a reason they have abandoned ISS and I wager its the very same reasons why nobody should even consider hooking up with you ever again.
Our corp left the ISS, and yet here I am, defending them.
Strange that.
If the stuff the ISS is doing appeals to a corp, they should go join. If it isn't, they shouldn't. I have every confidence in the newer management. Both Serena Hennessy & Dale0404 won a lot of respect from me during the conflict, I wish them the best of luck.
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Taikun Brunel
Gallente Evolved Gamer
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey
Quote: Nor will it return the trillions of shareholder ISK flushed down the toilet by ISS management.
Yeah, I'd like to call you on that number. Detailed break down or STFU please.
Good gawd man. Have you lived in a cave for the past few months? ISS has hemoraged shareholder value in the form of lost stations. Complete IPO failure in the form of wealth destruction when ISS was kicked out of 0.0 is bleeedingly obvious to anyone even remotely associated with the facts of the matter.
You want detailed breakdowns?!?!... I remind you of lost ISS stations when they were "evicted" from 0.0. If you can't extrapolate that into massive loss for shareholders there is little more that can be said to you.
Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey [Our corp left the ISS, and yet here I am, defending them.
I too left ISS, and yet I am here, warning others about them. Your point?
Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey [If the stuff the ISS is doing appeals to a corp, they should go join. If it isn't, they shouldn't.
You're dead right. And people should be able to make up their mind with the FULL facts at their disposal. Not just the ISS marketing spin presented without the historical performance of this ISK sinkhole. If massive shareholder losses appeals to corps... well by all means they should join ISS.
ISS is a different beast now and I hold them accountable for their actions. Don't accuse me of blind hate because I never drank the ISS Kool-Aid and no longer march in time with their political agenda.
Taikun Brunel
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Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2007.04.01 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Brunel
Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey
Quote: Nor will it return the trillions of shareholder ISK flushed down the toilet by ISS management.
Yeah, I'd like to call you on that number. Detailed break down or STFU please.
Good gawd man. Have you lived in a cave for the past few months? ISS has hemoraged shareholder value in the form of lost stations.
Double figure of billions. You're two orders of magnitude off.
Quote: Complete IPO failure in the form of wealth destruction when ISS was kicked out of 0.0 is bleeedingly obvious to anyone even remotely associated with the facts of the matter.
Not really. Stations shares have received compensation in the form of ISSO shares, maybe not enough to completely make up the loss, but there was no real reason ISS had to do that. "Complete IPO failure" is a bit strong a description.
ISSO share plans were adapted & changed. Yes, some of the more fun & interesting plans have had to be scrapped. There might well be a possibility that the replacement plans aren't so profitable. But they've got a huge chunk of money, and just need to pay a 5% monthly dividend. That's laughably easy TBH, with or without 0.0 access. So that one is still perfectly viable from the investors point of view.
Quote: You want detailed breakdowns?!?!...
Not really, it was an attempt at a subtle jab to point out your exaggeration.
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Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey [Our corp left the ISS, and yet here I am, defending them.
I too left ISS, and yet I am here, warning others about them. Your point?
My point being that the corps that have left aren't a sign that new corps shouldn't join. Some will re-join. Most won't, but leave on good terms, and just don't share goals with the ISS any longer*. A few are hostile to the ISS, but they're in the minority.
* If I have to deal with starbases in any way, shape, or form again, I will scream & go on a mad bloody rampage. The same goes for the majority or my corp. This puts us slightly at odds with being in the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate...
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Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey [If the stuff the ISS is doing appeals to a corp, they should go join. If it isn't, they shouldn't.
You're dead right. And people should be able to make up their mind with the FULL facts at their disposal. Not just the ISS marketing spin presented without the historical performance of this ISK sinkhole. If massive shareholder losses appeals to corps... well by all means they should join ISS.
ISK sink hole? Massive shareholder loss? Full facts as I understand them is that the outpost shares paid out at least their initial cost over their lifetime. With continued payments from the ISSO shares, they're still making money, just not as much.
Yes, if you bought shares after the initial sale, it's possible to have lost money on them. Yes, expected return is down. But I really do think you're overstating things here.
Quote: Don't accuse me of blind hate because I never drank the ISS Kool-Aid and no longer march in time with their political agenda.
I accused you of blind hate, because that was how you came across while presenting your points. It's not the message I have an intrinsic problem to (I don't agree, but if I debated every post I didn't agree with, I'd be here all night. ). Now we're having a nice civilised debate about it, and I much prefer this.
There are valid reasons to criticise the ISS. I remain skeptical about the caravan fleets, but hope I'm proved wrong. The sudden strong aligning with the caldari state doesn't sit well with me. BWF turned out to be a worse mistake than I thought it would be, at a time the alliance wasn't able to deal with it. But it has some good new management, who are hopefully able to move the alliance onto the next stage. Best of luck to them.
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Red Rumurder
5punkorp
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Posted - 2007.04.05 18:03:00 -
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x-iss here, ^^ this - enough said
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D75485
Underworld Zombies
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Posted - 2007.04.06 15:49:00 -
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so is it working for you guys or not ?
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DALE0404
Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.06 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: D75485 so is it working for you guys or not ?
YES Blue Star Brotherhood
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ELDIABLO VII
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Posted - 2007.04.09 10:06:00 -
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how would one go about joining ISS ? cos u guys seem to have a good plan in the works despite what some people seem 2 think :P
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Supay
Caldari The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:05:00 -
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Damn, is Taikun still trying to flame every ISS thread going? So, basically you were a jumped up twerp who didn't fit into ISSN, have some kind of major ego complex and now just look like a bitter, twisted nutter who has nothing else in his life to do than chase around yapping at the heels of ISS.
If you don't like what they're doing, fair enough, but why don't you try doing something interesting yourself rather than spending your time trying to tarnish their works. They've done far more than you will ever achieve. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) I'll be eating out of your bins! |
Odarin
Dark Nebula Gallente Division Dark Nebula Gallactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Supay Stuff
^ This one seems to be on to something :P.
o/` Hai Serena, gl with the new venture ISS.
-Oda
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Taikun Brunel
Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz
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Posted - 2007.04.11 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 11/04/2007 02:39:07
Originally by: Supay Damn, is Taikun still trying to flame every ISS thread going? So, basically you were a jumped up twerp who didn't fit into ISSN, have some kind of major ego complex and now just look like a bitter, twisted nutter who has nothing else in his life to do than chase around yapping at the heels of ISS.
Typical. Don't like the message... attack the messenger.
I stand by my analysis. I forcasted the removal of ISS from 0.0 correctly 2 months before the event. I forecasted the leadership "rats" abandoning the good ship ISS when the perverbial hit the fan correctly. Your name is vaguely familier. Another ex-ISSN who ran at the first sign of duress? Whats your story? Why are you so star crossed for ISS?
Nevertheless, ISS now is a pale shadow of its formerself. This is a fact pure and simple.
I report this fact with my personal interpretation added. Unlike yourself I never drank the kool-aid and proud to point out the truth of that organisation to those who may fall for their marketing charms. I find THAT interesting and consider it a public service to the EvE community.
Taikun Brunel
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Boris 01
Minmatar Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: ELDIABLO VII how would one go about joining ISS ? cos u guys seem to have a good plan in the works despite what some people seem 2 think :P
thanks for your support! if you would like to join an ISS corporation we are recruiting so join the BSTB channel in game and speak to me or DALE0404, or if you would like your corporation to join ISS you need to talk to one of the managers, so again i would talk to Dale.
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Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.12 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Brunel I forecasted the leadership "rats" abandoning the good ship ISS when the perverbial hit the fan correctly.
A lot of the leadership is still in the alliance. And those that left did so quite a while after the excrement hit the rotary device.
Quote: Your name is vaguely familier. Another ex-ISSN who ran at the first sign of duress?
Supay was ISSN for quiet a large chunk of "the troubles". His credentials there are solid.
Quote: Unlike yourself I never drank the kool-aid
What is it with you & kool-aid?
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.04.13 18:03:00 -
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I am surprised it took this long for this natural progression to occur. I'm sure many of us have made a few iskies trading beyond empire space, and I'm sure many have used jump drives for it.
Not that I'm knocking the idea, I'm observing in great interest, the emergence of a true 0.0 logistics organisation is something of interest to me since I often had dreams of similar pursuits.
Good luck in your business. Though I haven't held a high opinion of the ISS since experiencing your old order first hand, and less so since hearing you declare yourselves as a Caldari affiliated group, your activities have always interested me and for that you have my thanks.
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DALE0404
Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.15 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Good luck in your business. Though I haven't held a high opinion of the ISS since experiencing your old order first hand... your activities have always interested me and for that you have my thanks.
The 'old order' have gone, new personnel are now in place. Keep the interest mate! Blue Star Brotherhood
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:07:00 -
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It appears United Warriors, one of the fiercest tribes of the Ushra'Khan now fly for the ISS. I cannot imagine what prompted them to abandon their prior comrades and take this path. Perhaps they truly do believe in the 'free space for all' mindset, but it seems a journey into folly.
Once merely a den of thieves and spies, what remains of the ISS seems more like a group of dreamers, drifting in their own flight of fancy. It is an improvement to be sure, but still a perplexing choice.
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