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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:10:00 -
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I posted this a while back, but nobody seemed to notice, as it was deep in some long thread.
Its really quite simple.
1. Bounties are claimed upon ship, not podkills. 2. Instead of getting the entire bounty upon shipkill, you get an amount taken out of the player's bounty equal to 1/5 the payout of Platinum insurance for the ship he was in. So killing a BS would give you about 22m.
This means you could no longer abuse the bounty system to claim with an alt; it wouldn't be profitable. It would also mean that putting a 500m bounty on a pirate might really begin to annoy him, as it would give a nice incentive for people to kill him for weeks or months until it ran out. It would be especially effective against capital ship pirates.
Sure, it wouldn't be foolproof, but it would be better than the broken, silly system we have now.
Discuss
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Jarjar
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:12:00 -
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After thinking for five seconds... Sounds good to me. I'm sure people will find fatal flaws, though
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Trubba Maykah
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:27:00 -
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OK, so let's say that 10 different people have put a bounty on Kublai's pretty little head.
Then, let's say some carebear with teeth in a retriever scans her out from her uber secure, super SS and ganks her with t1 drones while she is smoking a cigarette and using the ladies' room.
Does the feral bear get 10x22, thus re-breaking the system?
Do they only get 1x22 and the other 9 remain to be paid outon different ships?
Well, we certainly can't re-break the system so the first option is out. The second option isn't necessarily very satisfying for the aggrieved party that placed the bounty because 22m is not going to be enough to make me get up and move across the galaxy to go get the job done.
Do you have any idea what Kublai might say to me if I emailed her with this?
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Kublai,
It's been awhile, but I finally found a hit that's right up your alley. It's only 20 jumps away and you can get there without ever having to see the light of empire space (nasty Concord, it hurts us). But wait, there's more! Here's the good part. Client is willing to pay TWENTY-TWO MILLION!!!
Let me know,
Trubba
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Honestly, all I can hear in my mind is Dr. Evil saying one million dollars.
The broken bounty system is why I have a job. I can and do see to it that cash is only paid for a job done properly.
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Kye Kenshin
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:28:00 -
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Anything is better than the current system and this is a step in the right direction.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trubba Maykah OK, so let's say that 10 different people have put a bounty on Kublai's pretty little head.
Then, let's say some carebear with teeth in a retriever scans her out from her uber secure, super SS and ganks her with t1 drones while she is smoking a cigarette and using the ladies' room.
Does the feral bear get 10x22, thus re-breaking the system?
Do they only get 1x22 and the other 9 remain to be paid outon different ships?
Well, we certainly can't re-break the system so the first option is out. The second option isn't necessarily very satisfying for the aggrieved party that placed the bounty because 22m is not going to be enough to make me get up and move across the galaxy to go get the job done.
Do you have any idea what Kublai might say to me if I emailed her with this?
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Kublai,
It's been awhile, but I finally found a hit that's right up your alley. It's only 20 jumps away and you can get there without ever having to see the light of empire space (nasty Concord, it hurts us). But wait, there's more! Here's the good part. Client is willing to pay TWENTY-TWO MILLION!!!
Let me know,
Trubba
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Honestly, all I can hear in my mind is Dr. Evil saying one million dollars.
The broken bounty system is why I have a job. I can and do see to it that cash is only paid for a job done properly.
Um dude, first of all, its not meant to be a way to get someone killed like a mercenary contract.
Its meant to be a bonus to those who kill them.
Second, all bounties in EVE are split among the killers. Why should that be changed?
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kublai
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:32:00 -
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Current system is giving my e-peen some serious viagra, please, think of the children!
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DarkElf
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: kublai Current system is giving my e-peen some serious viagra, please, think of the children!
dam. why aren't you in a corp yet
mmmm after thinking about this for a bit i think this is the most sensible idea i've heard so far. i'm sure it has flaws that i haven't thought of yet but i think any system does. it would mean that bounty hunting wouldn't be very profitable if it was only such a small amount being gained as most ppls bounties are way less than 50mil and only gettin a small percentage wouldn't be great.
But, i like it.
DE
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Junot Nevone
Minmatar Bastion Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:59:00 -
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Trubba Maykah said,
"Then, let's say some carebear with teeth in a retriever scans her out from her uber secure, super SS and ganks her with t1 drones while she is smoking a cigarette and using the ladies' room.
Does the feral bear get 10x22, thus re-breaking the system?
Do they only get 1x22 and the other 9 remain to be paid outon different ships?"
Instead of considering the bounties separate, just add together the total amount of isk. Thus, when the pirate is killed, the person that kills them gets X amount and that same X amount is deducted from the total bounty.
Darkelf said,
"mmmm after thinking about this for a bit i think this is the most sensible idea i've heard so far. i'm sure it has flaws that i haven't thought of yet but i think any system does. it would mean that bounty hunting wouldn't be very profitable if it was only such a small amount being gained as most ppls bounties are way less than 50mil and only gettin a small percentage wouldn't be great."
I do not think that is the way it will happen. Since bounties will only be paid out up to a certain limit, large bounties will last longer. Also, if the system is successful enough to gain a decent reputation, then people might actually use it causing a lot of pirates to have substantial bounties.
Imagine a gatecamp with a half dozen notorious pirates in the camp. The pirates have a couple T2 cruisers, and interceptor, and three tier two battleships. Each pirate has around fifty million each in bounty and so will pay out the maximum bounty if their ships are destroyed.
Saying you could destroy every ship in that camp with none escaping, you'd earn something around 75 million. That is decent cash and that is not counting any loot. I think this would motivate people to actively hunt down pirates and even some anti-pirates who aren't careful enough about aggression rules. I think we would see a lot more successful bounty hunters if everytime one killed a pirate, they were guaranteed five to a hundred million in instant payout.
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kublai
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.26 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: kublai Current system is giving my e-peen some serious viagra, please, think of the children!
dam. why aren't you in a corp yet
mmmm after thinking about this for a bit i think this is the most sensible idea i've heard so far. i'm sure it has flaws that i haven't thought of yet but i think any system does. it would mean that bounty hunting wouldn't be very profitable if it was only such a small amount being gained as most ppls bounties are way less than 50mil and only gettin a small percentage wouldn't be great.
But, i like it.
DE
Verone promised to call the next morning..i've been sitting by the phone ever since, i'm sure theres a perfectly natural explanation.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.26 23:33:00 -
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Best attempt at fixing the insanely moronic current bounty system I have read yet. You ought to throw it out on the Ideas and Suggestions forums, not that it'll do much good, probly.
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Warrio
Ruin Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:04:00 -
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When I grow up, I want to be: Dark Shikari
Great idea. If this was implemented bounty hunting would be a profession and pirating would be more fun/risky.
Yarr etc. |
Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.27 03:26:00 -
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Just because you're DS and you have a good idea doesn't give you immunity...so I must say it.
Another bounty fix thread???
Okay. So, now, I like it, and it'd give me the job I've always wanted. Hard to balance giving a good payout and keeping profit low for alt-podding. Better this than our current system. ----- :::Need to be cleaned:::
Fixed it. Happy? Quite . -HornFrog |
MassonA
Caldari coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.27 06:28:00 -
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bountys should expire after a set amount of days and depending on how large the bounty is, where you can legally attack and kill the person
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.03.27 06:44:00 -
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i honestly don't see the problem with the current system. All the real pirates would never be caught dead poding themselves or having a friend do it. Bounties are a badge of honor, they are damn hard to get up into the millions and even harder to keep once they get really big. Updated Item Database thanks to Dal Rath
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Caldari Mercenary Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.27 12:01:00 -
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No sane person leaves himself alive if he can get 1B bounty off himself due mystical reincarnation.
I like this idea. However, why not include implants and equipment for their base price too...
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.27 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ryas Nia i honestly don't see the problem with the current system. All the real pirates would never be caught dead poding themselves or having a friend do it. Bounties are a badge of honor, they are damn hard to get up into the millions and even harder to keep once they get really big.
Sweet so as soon as you find that a majority of bountied individuals has any sort of honor at all, let alone enough to resist a free 50 mil ISK, you let us know.
This is Eve, man. People who go killing usually have shaky honor, at best. Granted some people have a lot, but the system doesn't work right now because of how many people who don't.
And typically it's the same people who irritate their victims enough to get a bounty in the first place. ----- :::Need to be cleaned:::
Fixed it. Happy? Quite . -HornFrog I'm not happy, it doesn't have a goat!- Tirg |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.28 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn No sane person leaves himself alive if he can get 1B bounty off himself due mystical reincarnation.
I like this idea. However, why not include implants and equipment for their base price too...
Would be more exploitable that way. And implants' base price is absurdly low I think.
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Demora Anglis
Amarr The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.28 02:36:00 -
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Best I've heard yet, and I've been reading a *lot* of these "Bounty solving" threads for a while now. It addresses pretty much every problem with the current system (primarily that bounties can be self-claimed), not to mention it's very sleek in application. Bravo for the idea
Originally by: Zappapapa I beat a Dominix and an Armageddon with a Dominix, thus Dominix > Dominix + Armageddon. Subtracting a Dominix from each side gives you 0 > Armageddon. QED, Amarr
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Friggz
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Posted - 2007.03.28 02:42:00 -
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Theres two main problems with bounties and I think this system goes a long way to solving them both.
Lets say someone gets a shiney mining barge blowed up or has their hauler popped with a bunch of valuables inside.
Now they consider placing a bounty. Do they do it? Firstly, they probably just got killed and most likely lost quite a bit of they're mad enough to be considering a bounty. Do they really want to throw away more isk? A bounty is supposed to be revenge. They made your life miserable and caused you grief, therefore your willing to part with isk to return the favor. The problem is the current system doesn't work because 99% of the time one of two things happens.
Either A: The pirate sees his bounty as a badge of honor, in which case not only have to fail to grief him but you've validated him. Its like he killed you and you gave him a referral.
Or B: The pirate takes no pacticular pride in it and just gets a buddy or an alt to pod him and collects your money. Now you've gotten yourself blown up and given the guy who did it a tip.
The fact is no pirate goes "Oh no, I have a bounty on me" unless hes being sarcastic.
This goes a long way toward dealing with both. First, the bounty is small but persistant. Theres no pride factor especally if you don't display the whole bounty but rather what they're worth at the moment in the current ship. Theres no incentive to collect a big bounty to brag about, so your not doing the pirate a favor by putting a big bounty on him.
The second issue is avoided because the pirate can't profit from his own bounty. Since its based on the ship and the ship has to be destroyed hes always going to lose on the deal.
I can think of a few exploits but its definitely a step in the right direction. Any bounty system needs to both NOT encourage the pirate recieving the bounty and also have no way the pirate himself can profit from it. This is the best idea Ive heard so far at accomplishing both goals.
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Balklanac
Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.28 10:06:00 -
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One thing is sure it needs a revamp...i was on a pod kill with 11m recently and the guy came back 5 minutes later with a 12m bounty on him really...fake pirate e-peen extensions. Having a bounty on someone should really make them sweat... ---------
I would love to see a bounty pilot get some friend or an alt to pod them to collect the isk if that resulted in a two week delay before their 'personality' was uploaded to a new clone. |
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Murik Vherok
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Posted - 2007.03.28 11:05:00 -
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i think it could b like contracts
1st some places bounty on set target 2nd hunter looks at bounty list for income selects 1 3rd hunter pays 5% of bounty and get a region of located target to begin hunt 4th kill will b like contracts soon as km is recived u finished the job and get payment 5 and as many ppl can put bounty on as many ppl as is now or on same persone
i think this would encourage a bounty hunter trade or profesion with BH gank squads for large enough isk's
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Ares Predetor
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Posted - 2007.03.28 18:54:00 -
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Sounds like you have a great idea there.
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