Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Almah Akarith
Missus A Deo
0
|
Posted - 2016.10.30 19:52:20 -
[1] - Quote
More and more I am noticing the difficulty getting supplies from Amarr our main trade hub due to the actions of Minmatar terrorists who seem to work tirelessly to harass us. They are merely pirates, operating it seems without any concord intervention, despite being openly hostile to our civilization and our capsuleers.
While the Imperial Navy gets stretched thin to protect our capsuleers from these attacks, Concords response vessels sit silently, tacitly approving the terrorism that is taking place. No "Ushra'Kahn" or "Smile And Wave" ships should be allowed anywhere near our home worlds or our sacred monuments. These tribals need to be stopped, I call on anyone and everyone who believes that we should stand up to terrorism to enlist with the 24th Imperial Crusade and push these tribals all the way back to Hek where they belong. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1456
|
Posted - 2016.10.30 20:39:35 -
[2] - Quote
Right, because groups like CODE are only comprised of Matari.... Don't get me wrong, Concord indeed supports terrorism, don't say we're the only ones who threaten your precious monuments however. Nice fear mongering by the way. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
503
|
Posted - 2016.10.30 21:47:29 -
[3] - Quote
I believe Pilot Vess has posted the best response to the OP.
|
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1457
|
Posted - 2016.10.30 22:01:42 -
[4] - Quote
Thanks Nick! If it is such an issue (I'm not doubting it though I prefer Hek obviously) trying to push people into fighting us (hint: we aren't as active in Amarr as we are in the wz) wouldn't that defeat the purpose of joining to "defend your homeland?" I've been in multiple corporations flying with the TLF (as well as flying under private corporations allied with the TLF) and have yet to hear a CTA involving Amarr or highsec in general aside from one which wasn't aimed at civilians. Maybe I didn't notice them? I kinda doubt it. There were some AG groups around, I'd point people to them. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1725
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 01:27:36 -
[5] - Quote
Also, ever heard of instant undock bookmarks?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
|
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
230
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 02:02:03 -
[6] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Also, ever heard of instant undock bookmarks? To be fair, the bigger risk is when you're docking. You can use the "instant dock" counterpart of the instant undock bookmark on an unusual approach and still have time to get instalocked and alpha-struck by a sniper Tornado if there's a small delay in the acceptance of your docking request. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1726
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 02:05:30 -
[7] - Quote
Kolodi Ramal wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Also, ever heard of instant undock bookmarks? To be fair, the bigger risk is when you're docking. You can use the "instant dock" counterpart of the instant undock bookmark on an unusual approach and still have time to get instalocked and alpha-struck by a sniper Tornado if there's a small delay in the acceptance of your docking request.
Instant undocks too have a risk. Especially if the fellows know exactly where your undock is and camp there.
It will minimise the risk of getting ganked, not entirely eliminate it.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
|
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1459
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 02:14:01 -
[8] - Quote
If were talking basic survival tactics, then simply not making yourself a juicy target would help too. Know how much it costs them to take you out and don't carry enough isk wise to make it a good trade. |
Elanion
50
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 02:46:10 -
[9] - Quote
I opened the thread expecting a well-reasoned argument in opposition to CONCORD. This was a recruitment ad.
RIP YC111-115 GÇó "The project discarded, its subjects forgotten... thence must the burden be shouldered."
|
ValentinaDLM
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
891
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 06:58:36 -
[10] - Quote
At least Aldrith Shutaq comes and shoots at us, I don't think I have ever even seen you. TL:DR; get gud. |
|
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1742
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 08:03:55 -
[11] - Quote
Oh my, that's terrible news. I had no idea that malcontents could reach into trade hubs like that.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
|
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1726
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 08:17:30 -
[12] - Quote
Valerie Valate wrote:Oh my, that's terrible news. I had no idea that malcontents could reach into trade hubs like that.
CONCORD is full of shite and the navy police patrol fleet everywhere are terrible at their jobs. Come on. How can anyone not know that?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
|
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1742
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 09:05:08 -
[13] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Oh my, that's terrible news. I had no idea that malcontents could reach into trade hubs like that. CONCORD is full of shite and the navy police patrol fleet everywhere are terrible at their jobs. Come on. How can anyone not know that?
Gasp !
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
|
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1742
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 09:19:08 -
[14] - Quote
Elanion wrote:I opened the thread expecting a well-reasoned argument in opposition to CONCORD
For that kind of thing, I recommend reading my excellent and widely praised guide to CONCORD.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
|
Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
839
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 12:27:55 -
[15] - Quote
Please show us all on this anatomically correct doll where Ushra'Khan touched you.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
|
Pieter Tuulinen
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
6603
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 15:56:51 -
[16] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Oh my, that's terrible news. I had no idea that malcontents could reach into trade hubs like that. CONCORD is full of shite and the navy police patrol fleet everywhere are terrible at their jobs. Come on. How can anyone not know that?
Right? Everyone always acts like I'm an inscrutable spy when I turn up to meetings of the board at my construction project on Caldari Prime. "How did he get past the police? He must have special smuggling routes or a stealthed jumpship!"
No. I take a frigate and I'm off the gate by the time the Gallente Cop running traffic control has put down his doughnut to shout at me. I've cleared the exit gate LONG before the local patrols undock from their pleasure hubs.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
|
Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
841
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 16:13:17 -
[17] - Quote
Really this whole thing is just absurd.
"Baseliner ships managed entirely by crew have a slower reaction time than biomechanically-enhanced, genetically-altered space freaks who can control 90% of the functions of a massive ship with their brains suspended semi-catatonically within a liquid solution in a state of complete focus!"
You don't say?
"That must mean they SUPPORT terrorism!"
I understand that you are a new pilot, Almah Akarith. So, please undock and get some experience in that ship of yours, it will round you out into a reasonable person. The more experience you get, the more you realize that we all know next to nothing in this world, estimating what we kind behind a shroud of profound ignorance that we can only hope to lift just enough to peek out from under without ever fully removing, and that, as usual, that which is explainable by malice is almost invariably better explained by incompetence.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
|
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1759
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 16:46:26 -
[18] - Quote
The problem of guerrilla TLF fighters in Amarr has been a problem since the start of the Empyrean Wars. There are only two responses to them: evasion or destruction. Make sure you know how to do both, and you will cause them more problems than they cause you. If you do not know how to do these, please contact myself or any other prominent Crusader for instructions on how to keep yourself and the system safe.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
|
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1460
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 16:50:18 -
[19] - Quote
Is that actually a major problem Aldrith? I'm not denying it, I've just not heard of it being that big of a thing. Then again I'm also never in highsec, nevermind trade hubs so it's not exactly something I've viewed. Maybe it's just my operation times it isn't frequent? |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1759
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 17:17:29 -
[20] - Quote
No more of a problem than it is for Jita, Rens or Dodixie. Wherever you have capsuleers congregating, you have conflict, and the Empyrean Wars reach into all of the trade hubs for that reason. Pilots must understand that they are never safe when engaged in the war, and the sooner they realize that the better.
I do find it unfortunate that our respective nations are required by CONCORD law to tolerate hostile pilots within their borders, but such is the way of things until the law changes. Until then, do your best to keep yourself safe and them in danger.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
|
|
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1745
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 17:34:23 -
[21] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq, the Hero of Amarr, Champion of Justice, Protector of the Innocent, Styler of Hair, and Poet to the Righteous.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
|
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1460
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 17:47:59 -
[22] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:No more of a problem than it is for Jita, Rens or Dodixie. Wherever you have capsuleers congregating, you have conflict, and the Empyrean Wars reach into all of the trade hubs for that reason. Pilots must understand that they are never safe when engaged in the war, and the sooner they realize that the better.
I do find it unfortunate that our respective nations are required by CONCORD law to tolerate hostile pilots within their borders, but such is the way of things until the law changes. Until then, do your best to keep yourself safe and them in danger. Oh, I was gonna say I know it happens across the board (and I can think of a group in particular that did do it occasionally, it never came off as an official activity. Came off more like pirates being pirates. Personally I agree that amarr should be forced to stay out of hek, just the same as Matari in Amarr, caldari in dodixie, ect. Fighting the "good fight" shouldn't involve going out of your wz to chase industrialists. They'll come into your AO in time where it's fair game if that's what you choose to target. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
6604
|
Posted - 2016.10.31 22:23:01 -
[23] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:No more of a problem than it is for Jita, Rens or Dodixie. Wherever you have capsuleers congregating, you have conflict, and the Empyrean Wars reach into all of the trade hubs for that reason. Pilots must understand that they are never safe when engaged in the war, and the sooner they realize that the better.
I do find it unfortunate that our respective nations are required by CONCORD law to tolerate hostile pilots within their borders, but such is the way of things until the law changes. Until then, do your best to keep yourself safe and them in danger. Oh, I was gonna say I know it happens across the board and I can think of a group in particular that did do it occasionally, it never came off as an official activity. It came off more like pirates being pirates. Personally I agree that Amarr should be forced to stay out of hek, just the same as Matari in Amarr, Caldari in Dodixie, ect. Fighting the "good fight" shouldn't involve going out of your wz to chase industrialists. They'll come into your AO in time where it's fair game if that's what you choose to target.
The problem is that fighting a war like that is even more synthetic than the warzone is accused of being already. Frankly, I totally understand someone who wants to bring down a nice fat freighter full of war materiel before it turns into dangerous warships in the warzone. Inside the freighter hold is the most efficient place to destroy those hulls and modules.
So most groups now employ notionally neutral hauling subsidiaries to bring their weapons into the warzone. So now most groups will attack neutrals, since they're usually nothing more than combatants by another name.
That leads to attacking neutrals OUTSIDE of the warzone, if the risk is balanced by the proper reward. It's inevitable.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
|
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1732
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 09:38:17 -
[24] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Oh my, that's terrible news. I had no idea that malcontents could reach into trade hubs like that. CONCORD is full of shite and the navy police patrol fleet everywhere are terrible at their jobs. Come on. How can anyone not know that? Right? Everyone always acts like I'm an inscrutable spy when I turn up to meetings of the board at my construction project on Caldari Prime. "How did he get past the police? He must have special smuggling routes or a stealthed jumpship!" No. I take a frigate and I'm off the gate by the time the Gallente Cop running traffic control has put down his doughnut to shout at me. I've cleared the exit gate LONG before the local patrols undock from their pleasure hubs.
It's only a danger if one sticks around in space for too long. And even then escape shouldn't be too much of an issue for someone who is paying attention.
The navy/fleet police always web first and point later. Apparently nobody told them that webbing someone first helps them escape faster.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
|
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2898
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 11:51:37 -
[25] - Quote
Terrorism is just a military tactics, it doesn't need someone's approval or disapproval except commanders who use it or avoid it.
If CONCORD approves terrorism: 1) There should be a link of CONCORD doing related actions to terror warfare (and at the moment they don't do anything). 2) It doesn't matter anyway, since I repeat, it concerns only those, who execute this tactics.
I myself disapprove tactics of terrorism, because I consider it to be just a 'poor man's war' and I believe it to be extremely inefficient, akin to simple resource embezzlement.
Yet neither my, nor CONCORD point of view won't affect those primitives (like listed tribals), who love to execute such simplistic and unprofessional approach to warfare.
I don't know the reason of this discussion at all. If the tribals like so much to represent themselves as amateurs in warfare - then just let them do this.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
|
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1460
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 14:03:07 -
[26] - Quote
"Tribals" ganking freighters on the Amarr undock, you know that thing that's done by high sec Merc corps mainly that every militia has pilots guilty of. That includes State and 24ic pilots aswell as fed pilots equally as rarely. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2899
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 14:24:07 -
[27] - Quote
Well, when I gank frogs or tribals industrial vessel in their highsec, I don't do terror myself. My targets are legal enemies of the State, that carry good that can be used against the State unless destroyed or captured.
My goals are strictly professional. I often even loudly proclaim "FOR THE STATE!!" during or right before the attack, so they would know the reason they are being exterminated.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
|
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1460
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 14:32:57 -
[28] - Quote
Won't get me to say that's necessarily horrible, I think the op was referring to neutrals though which I can't say I'm for. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1734
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 14:55:27 -
[29] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:"Tribals" ganking freighters on the Amarr undock, you know that thing that's done by high sec Merc corps mainly that every militia has pilots guilty of. That includes State and 24ic pilots aswell as fed pilots equally as rarely.
Seen that thing happen in Dodixie or Villore before. Especially Villore, the symbolic center of Gallente governance.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
|
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1464
|
Posted - 2016.11.01 20:24:46 -
[30] - Quote
You talking about TLF pilots, Elmund? Or militia pilots in general? I know I've seen 24ic pilots in rens and Hek, state pilots aswell (rarely but still). I should be shocked if that's the case but then again I don't think much is beyond what privateers will do for an isk. That goes beyond racial lines. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |