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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1731
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Posted - 2016.11.01 08:28:03 -
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Far as I am concerned, there are no women in Eve Online. There are also no men in Eve Online. In fact, there are no genders or ages or cultures or races in Eve Online.
Most of you here in this game are polygonal spaceships with names and faces attached. The remainders are names and digits that end with the word 'ISK'.
Which is all well and good far as I am concerned.
I don't actually like people.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
509
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Posted - 2016.11.01 08:28:53 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:hint: CODE. are major role players Hint: they are roleplaying jerks. So what? They can roleplay whatever they like. If they choose to roleplay jerks in game, that's fine. Better than being one out of game. But If you are roleplaying a jerk, you are a jerk. At least in game. Else you are just a bad roleplayer.
you say this as if it's a bad thing (as long as it's in-game only).
Just Add Water
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Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
36
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Posted - 2016.11.01 08:36:06 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:]
You cannot place restrictions on what a person can and cannot include in their roleplaying. For Code, they roleplay as enforcers of the Code and the betterment of Hisec, and not as characters within a game. Therefore, everything that happens, in and out of the game, is included in their roleplay, all the while staying in character. then they are not roleplaying inside eve they are being thugs within the meta of eve ( ( meta rp here be code (rp here be eve lore and IC forums this is considered EvE RP ) ) meta meta ie RL outside eve meta the rest of us ) am i getting your explanation right ? are you by chance, RPing somebody to be high?
nope im coding in :strips atm ...
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Avaelica Kuershin
Signal Cartel
290
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Posted - 2016.11.01 08:37:16 -
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The Golden Serpent wrote:
When I came to Eve I was astonished at how awesome the community was. But there was a dark side. There is a constant barrage of hatred being spewed against several demographics:
1. Those who play World of Warcraft 2. Those who roleplay 3. Those who enjoy relaxing in highsec, mining, ratting, PI work, trading 4. Goons
1. I have always had the impression it's disliking suggestions that EVE should be more like WoW (or other similar games) 2. Seen that plenty of other places, including in RL. Must be some see roleplay as something to grow out of. 3. Always seen it as annoyance with the idea that hisec = no danger. 4. Don't get this. The Goons I know (from SL) are great.
As for women in EVE... well there's my CEO for one.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1935
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Posted - 2016.11.01 08:42:32 -
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Neuntausend wrote: Edit: Another thing I'd like to add: The whole concept of the "gentleman" is an inherently sexist one. If the sexes are equal, why should women act like "ladies" and men act like "gentlemen"? Why would a man treat a woman any other way than he would everyone else? The other way around, why would a woman treat a man any other way than she would everyone else?
This always makes me wonder.... We are equal. Why you want special treatment from me?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
18689
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Posted - 2016.11.01 08:44:27 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:hint: CODE. are major role players Hint: they are roleplaying jerks. So what? They can roleplay whatever they like. If they choose to roleplay jerks in game, that's fine. Better than being one out of game. But If you are roleplaying a jerk, you are a jerk. At least in game. Else you are just a bad roleplayer. you say this as if it's a bad thing (as long as it's in-game only). I will only say that good roleplayer have something else than a list of dank ganks in his bio.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
36
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Posted - 2016.11.01 08:50:41 -
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March rabbit wrote:Neuntausend wrote: Edit: Another thing I'd like to add: The whole concept of the "gentleman" is an inherently sexist one. If the sexes are equal, why should women act like "ladies" and men act like "gentlemen"? Why would a man treat a woman any other way than he would everyone else? The other way around, why would a woman treat a man any other way than she would everyone else?
This always makes me wonder.... We are equal. Why you want special treatment from me?
a gentleman and a lady treats both sexes the same with respect and fellowship.. how about that ? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
4515
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Posted - 2016.11.01 09:02:52 -
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March rabbit wrote:This always makes me wonder.... We are equal. Why you want special treatment from me? Real life gender politics reasons. Which is pretty much a cancer level conversation.
The correct response to anyone who expects to receive some kind of special treatment compared to anyone else due to their gender, ethnicity, age or sexual orientation and in many cases even disability status (since an enormous number of disabilities are non-relevant in many contexts) is to totally ignore them because they are seeking preferential treatment that they do not deserve.
The same goes for people who interpret any criticism of their behavior or performance as some form of prejudice. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1008
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Posted - 2016.11.01 09:05:22 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:a gentleman and a lady treats both sexes the same with respect and fellowship.. how about that ? I could agree to that, if those terms were used and understood that way, but they aren't. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
222
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Posted - 2016.11.01 09:23:20 -
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This is some top quality gender baiting op from a virtue signaling windmill tilter.
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
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Jovian Death
Jovian Vengeance
64
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Posted - 2016.11.01 09:25:34 -
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In the Op original post there was a quote from Galaxy Duck/Code
TBH he should really stfu as making a remark like that via email is classed as a breach of EULA based on bullying/harassment. To pretty much chase your alts and force you into making an apology. Send a mail back telling him to go -ú$%6 himself :)
However I would point out a couple of things.
In the early Years of EvE it mostly MMO was hard based on WoW or EvE, thus the fasination of saying "go back to WoW". Goons and BoB had hatred for each other until the downfall of BoB and then Goons had pretty much control of everything in a large sector of null. They also took part in a huge bug which gained them trillions of isk thus the comment Grr goons. Alot of them also scammed chars by taking all there assets or a large portion of there isk to join them in null then block them.
With regard to Women in EvE im not sure why your posting they have a hard time. The only one I remember is a char called mintchip and well lets not go into that as that was a serious mess.
So all in all over the years EvE has built its own hatred for others and things. If it breaches EULA then CCP need to be made aware of it via the normal petition rules.
We created EvE and TBH its not for everybody and it will not change so suck it up buttercup and get with the program. If you dont you may as well give up and go play WoW.
(See what I did there )
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1008
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Posted - 2016.11.01 09:51:40 -
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Here's an interesting bit from the OP:
"Getting more women into EVE would, IMO, improve the game a lot. I think there are a huge number of fascinating social roles (spy, diplomat, leader, thief etc) which could be advertised more actively and I think would help to attract more women."
Now - how much more advertisement would these roles require? I think, Eve is famous for having those, and as an outsider, the second thing you will learn about this game is that these roles exist (the first thing being that there are huge battles to be fought). Close to everyone who has played Eve for any amount of time should know that these roles are a thing. So, it's not that people don't know these roles can be played. However, with those being social roles as you say, they depend solely on the players social abilities and willingness to put effort into them. Nobody will actively keep you from playing a spy, diplomat, leader or thief, and everyone is free to pursue these professions in the game. Yet, very few people make good spies, diplomats, leaders and thieves, and many who try will learn rather quickly, that playing these roles means hard work first and foremost, especially the leader and the diplomat role. This doesn't have anything to do with gender, but personality. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
37
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Posted - 2016.11.01 10:11:09 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:a gentleman and a lady treats both sexes the same with respect and fellowship.. how about that ? I could agree to that, if those terms were used and understood that way, but they aren't.
be the change.... and all that but yea in to many areas they are not. |
roberts dragon
The Scope Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2016.11.01 10:17:22 -
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I would say players can say whatever online but if they was face to face I would bet you they would not say much , you pay for the game its up to anyone to play how they see fit there is no right or wrong way to play .
its nice to be nice it don't cost nothing and goes a long way
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1409
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Posted - 2016.11.01 10:44:10 -
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Women are cool. Men are cool. Hamsters with internet accounts on the other hand, are not cool.
Down with hamsters. Return them to their natural habitrail environment.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1732
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Posted - 2016.11.01 10:59:30 -
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Elenahina wrote:Women are cool. Men are cool. Hamsters with internet accounts on the other hand, are not cool.
Down with hamsters. Return them to their natural habitrail environment.
No, no. We need more hamsters. Hamsters are masters of the threadmill. They are just perfect for mining and missioning, to give us all the stuff we need to buy off the market without us having to actually do any of these soul-draining things.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
171
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Posted - 2016.11.01 11:22:39 -
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I love how this title implied this is a systemic problem. Yes, some people are jerks towards women. In a game with hundreds of thousands of players eventually you'll run into jerks. Just report them, otherwise you're part of the problem.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Nalia White
Tencus
209
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Posted - 2016.11.01 11:22:42 -
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i have to say i didn't read it all because after half i had enough... i'd say drama queen...
the points brought up all afflict men too, not only women. and if you stirr up a hornets nest you better be prepared to face the consequences. talking is silver, silence ist gold... if you talk ****, you eat ****, whatever your gender.
edit: ok now i read it all. clearly drama queen :) i mean you jump from the 4 groups that apparantly gets all the hate in eve and you figure out that women are also liking these 4 things and you come therefore to the conclusion that the community must hate women? don't let third wave feminism wash your brain please. and please lock up this thread. we don't need that **** in eve really...
it's alarming however how many white knights there are around already to defend a women just because she is a women even if what she says is totaly wrong... |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
291
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Posted - 2016.11.01 11:31:47 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:
OP is just a drama queen
Yet you use casually sexist language that attacks women as weak in your reply..... Thus making their point very nicely for them.
I suspect that it was a conscious decision.
As for the thread: As a solo-player, I usually don't care about the sex of whoever tries to make my day in Eve more interesting.
I have never played WOW, so cannot say whether the comm there is so anti-sexist that this is the reason for the better female retention.
To blow the sexist horn though: I assume it's more to do with characters that are not spaceships than the actual community.
To give this thread a much needed spin: WIS is the solution! |
Sitting Bull Lakota
SBL Co
193
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Posted - 2016.11.01 11:44:56 -
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They say that the most ardent opponents of homosexuality are actually secretly homosexual.
The Golden Serpent wrote: if you want to find the women, just go to any Out-of-Character roleplaying channel, or visit Intergalactic Summit on the boards. The chances are very high a woman is playing the character, or if not, a very intellectual male...
I knew a guy once who used to say this thing about looking for the sawdust in someone's eye while paying no attention to the splinter in your own. It was a neat saying, because it could be applied to so many scenarios. I think the gist of it was that probing out someone else's faults might make your own painfully obvious. He was a smart cookie. I should see if I can find him again. |
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
4519
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Posted - 2016.11.01 11:45:38 -
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embrel wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:
OP is just a drama queen
Yet you use casually sexist language that attacks women as weak in your reply..... Thus making their point very nicely for them. I suspect that it was a conscious decision. As for the thread: As a solo-player, I usually don't care about the sex of whoever tries to make my day in Eve more interesting. I have never played WOW, so cannot say whether the comm there is so anti-sexist that this is the reason for the better female retention. To blow the sexist horn though: I assume it's more to do with characters that are not spaceships than the actual community. To give this thread a much needed spin: WIS is the solution!
Science fiction media in general tends not to draw much of a female audience compared to fantasy. |
Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3602
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Posted - 2016.11.01 11:49:43 -
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i wish i was on codes shortlist of high priority targets, god i wish i was a target.
doesnt matter how much i troll these scrubs on the forums i never get that mail, why do i never get that mail duck?
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
745
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:05:27 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i wish i was on codes shortlist of high priority targets, god i wish i was a target.
doesnt matter how much i troll these scrubs on the forums i never get that mail, why do i never get that mail duck? Are you a woman? In that case I'd say it is certainly because they hate women and discriminate against you.
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Major Xadi
Mercenary Logistics Ltd. xUNITYx
71
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:07:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:
OP is just a drama queen
Yet you use casually sexist language that attacks women as weak in your reply..... Thus making their point very nicely for them.
Overblown reaction. Nat believes the OP is a drama queen. This is neither sexist, nor attacking anyone as weak. Your conclusion is not logical. Calling one woman a drama queen isn't an attack on all women.
What? There's no such thing as women who are drama queens? Sure there are. And some men are as well.
Now, whether Nat is correct or not, is another matter. But I think the OP also reads more into the CODE letter than is warranted.
The fact she reads too much into things is affirmed by her assertion attacks on miners is an expression of the current underlying hatred of Western Society. (sigh) What a load of hooey. Couldn't possibly be because some folks just believe pure carebearing is bad for the game and want to blow up some pixels, could it? Hmm? And enjoy some ridiculous, but original and witty rp in the process? Hmm?
I'll tell ya what we have an expression of here. It's some folk wallowing in some kinda "self-loathing so gotta get my sjw on to compensate and issue bullcrap kneejerk reaction pronouncements so Western Culture can be redeemed bullcrap".
If anything.
I myself once received a similar email from some other goonswarm person. I doubt it was an attack on men designed to drive us out of the game.
Not sure if OP is trolling. Oh geez. Probably gonna get another extortion email, bounty, griefer on my tail, .....etc.
Oh well, that's EvE. Love it or unsub. |
Keno Skir
854
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:08:27 -
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"Wahh! The other players of the game aren't forced to respect my safe space :( Men are all poopy heads and i shouldn't be expected to hear words i don't like."
Suck it up you massive Wendy. The girls i play EvE with would laugh at you and make sexist jokes at your expense because they are decent thick skinned people of the world.
(Trigger Warning) - In your initial post you make a reference to women being naturally more intelligent than men. You are the sexist one at the table in this case, and you should consider yourself lucky i'm not the kind of SJW wasteman to write a wall of text detailing something so trivial. Perhaps you should take a leaf out of my book, and work on becoming a little more tolerant .
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
400
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:12:01 -
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I remember you.
Quote:And I would expect no less of the Eve online crowd given what I've seen, it's practically institutionalized misogyny. And anti-semitism, and anti-autism, anti-suicidals. Your game has the most disgusting culture in the gaming community just under League of Legends.
I'm surprised you can stomach to come back to such a horrible, horrible game and community such as this. /sarcasm
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
18742
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:28:54 -
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Jovian Death wrote:In the Op original post there was a quote from Galaxy Duck/Code
TBH he should really stfu as making a remark like that via email is classed as a breach of EULA based on bullying/harassment. To pretty much chase your alts and force you into making an apology. Send a mail back telling him to go -ú$%6 himself :)
Dont send them back any mail in such cases, you would be better off contacting CCP.
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula-en/ wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game or otherwise interacting within EVE. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. CCP does not guarantee that you will not encounter behavior of others that you may view as insulting, demeaning, offensive, threatening or harassing. You assume all risk associated with playing the Game, and CCP assumes no responsibility for the conduct of any other players, and shall not be liable to you or any other person for their conduct.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3603
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:29:52 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i wish i was on codes shortlist of high priority targets, god i wish i was a target.
doesnt matter how much i troll these scrubs on the forums i never get that mail, why do i never get that mail duck? Are you a woman? In that case I'd say it is certainly because they hate women and discriminate against you.
im a vegan
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
342
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:37:08 -
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Eve would improve exponentially with more female players.
Do yourself a favor, block c0d3 and especially Galaxy Duck.
That guy has nothing better to do than reset your bounty to 315 everyday and send out toxic emails.
c0d3 is dying a slow and painful death after the second round of bans for loyalanon and his many alts
G¡É c0d3 is dying a slow and painful death after the second round of bans for loyalanon and his many alts G¡É
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14859
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:43:32 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Tiberius NoVegas wrote:is there a link to the original post that started this all with CODE?
Im interested in seeing the dynamic of how this all escalated. OP is just a drama queen
Drama Monarch you mean!
"Queen" is a derogatory term the misogynist cisgendered patriarchy foisted on..filthy rich female royalty types. Those bastards.
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