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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:05:31 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Othran wrote:I think this is probably trolling from the OP now. The last BS the USA built (USS Wisconsin) was 72 years ago & had a lifespan of just over 2 years before being decommissioned. It was reactivated for Korea/Vietnam for artillery purposes. Edit - also for Gulf War 1 apparently Talking about real world battleships in a discussion about internet spaceships makes about as much sense as discussing oil-fired steam turbines in a discussion about fictional warp drives. I'm a huge naval history buff, but seriously, it's time to let that dead horse lie. That's not true I don't think. The line of EvE ships was based on naval ships. The original line up was frigates, cruisers, battleships, then destroyers, battlecruisers, carriers and dreadnoughts were added. They are all real world hulls reflecting relative size ratios to the original naval versions too.
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2657
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:06:08 -
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"Balls of Pure Amarrian Steel."
Priceless.
That video inspired me with my current levels of 'Geddon-love. I'm still convinced that it may be the single most versatile ship in the game.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14915
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:09:08 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote:
Again, it's called an analogy moron. It's called drawing a parallel. It's called making a comparison. If you don't like or don't understand that, I'm afraid I can't help you.
We all know what a parallel is. I and others have explained that the parallel you drew is stupid. I'll demonstrate.
Beast of Revelations wrote:
It isn't that I don't 'get' what you are saying, it's just that it's a dumb non-issue. Yeah, I know you hate real world analogies, but I'm gonna use one anyway. The US navy wasn't all 'just battleships' back when battleships were king. And it isn't all 'just carriers' now that carriers are king. So there's no particular reason that it would be 'just battleships' if battleships were where they should be in this game.
That's the stupid part. Because the United States Navy didn't become all battleships or all carriers, that means that the spaceship video game EVE Online won't either if you change battleships in the game.
That's what you said, and you'd have to be dumber than a box of rocks to think that way.
IRL I work in law enforcement, in order to say something as mind bogglingly stupid as what you've done with this thread, I'd have to say something like "well, i'm a cop and CONCORD are the EVE universe's police force, therefor EVERY single CONCORD intervention in the past 13 years of the game has been wrong and invalid because they didn't read you your Miranda rights before blowing up your ship!!!"
You can go ahead and blame me for saying it if it helps you get past this embarrassing mistake you made here,. but remember, I didn't make you post this idiocy.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18416
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:17:57 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote: Perhaps you think a couple of frigs or cruisers should be able to take out a super-capital?
Given enough time and ammo they can, even NPCs have taken down a nyx. |
Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:19:23 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:"Balls of Pure Amarrian Steel." Priceless. That video inspired me with my current levels of 'Geddon-love. I'm still convinced that it may be the single most versatile ship in the game. We're talking battleships though.
The Geddon has bonuses to Nuets (a generic non-battleship weapon), Bonuses to drones (a generic non-battleship weappon) and can use RHML which shoots cruiser sized missiles.
Lets see that with a battleship that can't fit RHML, bonused nuets and bonused drones...
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2657
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:24:04 -
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Steffles wrote:That's not true I don't think. The line of EvE ships was based on naval ships. The original line up was frigates, cruisers, battleships, then destroyers, battlecruisers, carriers and dreadnoughts were added. They are all real world hulls reflecting relative size ratios to the original naval versions too. Relative hull size and name? Sure.
Actual mission and capability? Heck no. If that were the case, battleships in EvE would be faster than cruisers (and arguably destroyers and frigates), carry huge batteries of small-caliber, fast tracking guns, provide leadership bonuses, etc.
There's simply no comparison.
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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:31:58 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Steffles wrote:That's not true I don't think. The line of EvE ships was based on naval ships. The original line up was frigates, cruisers, battleships, then destroyers, battlecruisers, carriers and dreadnoughts were added. They are all real world hulls reflecting relative size ratios to the original naval versions too. Relative hull size and name? Sure. Actual mission and capability? Heck no. If that were the case, battleships in EvE would be faster than cruisers (and arguably destroyers and frigates), carry huge batteries of small-caliber, fast tracking guns, provide leadership bonuses, etc. There's simply no comparison. No because:
2003: All ships restricted to 8,8,8 slots max (still like this), they were around the same top speed, the differences were in align, accleration. There were no command boosts.
Most T1's including battleships were at release ships.
You do have a point though, they should have gun versions of the RHML.
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Beast of Revelations
Hedion University Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:32:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: IRL I work in law enforcement
Ah, yeah, that explains a few things.
Quote:You can go ahead and blame me for saying it if it helps you get past this embarrassing mistake you made here,. but remember, I didn't make you post this idiocy.
You are obviously a dimwit and a troll. So my work here is done. I have nothing more to say to you. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2657
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:39:28 -
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Steffles wrote:The Geddon has bonuses to Nuets (a generic non-battleship weapon), Bonuses to drones (a generic non-battleship weappon) and can use RHML which shoots cruiser sized missiles.
Lets see that with a battleship that can't fit RHML, bonused nuets and bonused drones.... The 'Geddon is, admittedly, in a very good place and probably more suited to solo work than gun battleships. But that doesn't mean it's the only one suited for it. A Domi or an RHML 'Phoon would arguably be better for soloing than a 'Geddon because of their bonuses to application.
But soloing isn't everything. A lone rail Eagle is a joke. A pack of them can be a nightmare. That doesn't mean it's broken and needs to be fixed, it just means you need to learn how to fly it.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2657
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:44:36 -
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Steffles wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Steffles wrote:That's not true I don't think. The line of EvE ships was based on naval ships. The original line up was frigates, cruisers, battleships, then destroyers, battlecruisers, carriers and dreadnoughts were added. They are all real world hulls reflecting relative size ratios to the original naval versions too. Relative hull size and name? Sure. Actual mission and capability? Heck no. If that were the case, battleships in EvE would be faster than cruisers (and arguably destroyers and frigates), carry huge batteries of small-caliber, fast tracking guns, provide leadership bonuses, etc. There's simply no comparison. No because: 2003: All ships restricted to 8,8,8 slots max (still like this), they were around the same top speed, the differences were in align, accleration. There were no command boosts. Most T1's including battleships were at release ships. You do have a point though, they should have gun versions of the RHML.
I think you missed my point, and in doing so proved it.
IRL battleships typically were faster than IRL cruisers*. The reverse is true in EvE.
IRL battleships typically had far fewer constraints on how many, and how many types, of supporting weapons than any other ship. In EvE, everything is limited to 8,8,8.
IRL battleships provided significant command and control benefits to other ships in the fleet. EvE battleships provide nothing.
See where I'm going with this? In terms of capabilities, EvE battleships are nothing like IRL ones.
*This is largely a result of a neat little trick of physics that states that the speed of a displacement hull through water is goes up as the waterline length goes up. Therefore, all other things being equal, bigger ships go faster, to a point.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14916
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:46:05 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: IRL I work in law enforcement
Ah, yeah, that explains a few things.
Your reaction to this explains even more. I actually deal with people like you a lot (ie folks that no amount of education or reasoning will help). People who do dumb **** and then think the rest of the world is the problem.
Quote:Quote:You can go ahead and blame me for saying it if it helps you get past this embarrassing mistake you made here,. but remember, I didn't make you post this idiocy.
You are obviously a dimwit and a troll. So my work here is done. I have nothing more to say to you.
Calling people trolls is a defensive reaction, one that occurs when they know they are wrong. No one is trolling you, explaining why what you believe is stupid is not trolling, it's explaining that what you believe is stupid.
Like I said before, I don't know why you decided to make a thread about something you don't know anything about. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18417
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:25:24 -
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Steffles wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:"Balls of Pure Amarrian Steel." Priceless. That video inspired me with my current levels of 'Geddon-love. I'm still convinced that it may be the single most versatile ship in the game. We're talking battleships though. The Geddon has bonuses to Nuets (a generic non-battleship weapon), Bonuses to drones (a generic non-battleship weappon) and can use RHML which shoots cruiser sized missiles. Lets see that with a battleship that can't fit RHML, bonused nuets and bonused drones...
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14916
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:34:07 -
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This is what you posted.
This is the reply you will get.
BUT BUT BUT!!
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2657
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:08:35 -
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Honorpoint best point.
Heh. Love it.
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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:42:21 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This is what you posted. This is the reply you will get. BUT BUT BUT!! Not at all he's extremely good with his battleships. He has lost 5 navy ravens this month though not to blobs either.
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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