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Heyte
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Posted - 2007.04.09 03:31:00 -
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There is no way to aquire the precise numbers. The history of all investments has been deleted, and the logs may have been tampered with. So far, I've yet to recieve the logs (until I check my mail of course).
That's all in the highly planned and carefully coordinated scam.
Rapidtaco, you have little resources at your desposal. Seriously, telling me to shut the **** up gets you nowhere. If you fail to realise this, then you have very little purpose in this argument.
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EVEhyip Admin
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Posted - 2007.04.09 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: EVEhyip Admin on 09/04/2007 03:30:14 Edited by: EVEhyip Admin on 09/04/2007 03:29:28
Originally by: Lypert Just to prove this Hyete wrong, could you post your numbers on the forum, so laymens can determine if it is a scam or not
I might want to play second time round depending on the numbers i see from the first game. If you can't then could please evemail them to me
By the way just block him if he keeps spamming you
I sure can. I will take screenshots of my journal and post links to them here. Please allow me a day to do this as there are many pages to go through. I must edit out my main from them to avoid guys like Heyte spaming my main. To explain a bit further, my main is in the journal due to the first 5 people that invested in round 1 got a free 1 mil isk, had to send from my main. Also some CSPA charges I felt I should pay with my main. Then the 3% for me that I lowerd to around 1% for the bumpy ride during round 1.
Check back tomorrow and I'll have them posted.
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RapidTaco
Caldari Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.04.09 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 09/04/2007 03:21:54 Just like the media. Cutting out details. Each mail is accurate, I must say, but he DID in fact cut them out from others.
I suggest you guys think on this further, then from what the scammer says. He'll prob mention that he's encouraging it, just to get ppl off his back.
Originally by: RapidTaco Think about it man if people make isk from it. they can put it back in. so 2 bil may have been put in plans but who knows how much of it was profit from other days. again you do not know wtf it going on and yet to take it upon yourself to spam the admin. if anyone tracks it they will find out it is straight up. I have been watching the numbers very hard so I could play I wish I would have made a spreadsheet to show you. But in any case STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who knows? Who cares? The precise response I expected from a satisfied customer, looking to participate in a round 2. There will be no round two, if you guys open your eyes. You'll have to make me happy, man, if you want me to reject my accusations. I may sound uncaring, but I'm hoping others realise the scamming potential: and the massive probability that this IS, in fact, a scam. I strongly believe that it is. Call it blackmail if you want. Call it me being simply angry at losing money. But I suggest you realise that it is a scam. What I've said strongly points to these facts. Eventually, I may have evidence (whether tampered or not) through the logs that the admin promised to show me.
I understand, no matter what happens that people like rapidtaco will not care, because they've only seen benefit. It won't change anything for them to realise the whole venture is a scam. So they'll either deny it, or join in with the Admin.
This is not spam. It is highly constructive criticism in an attempt to make people realise the very subtle truth.
Again you have no numbers or stats STOP TALKING!!! and it is Mr.RapidTaco to you. f'in noob. - RapidTaco
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RapidTaco
Caldari Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.04.09 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: RapidTaco on 09/04/2007 03:36:43
Originally by: RapidTaco
Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 09/04/2007 03:21:54 Just like the media. Cutting out details. Each mail is accurate, I must say, but he DID in fact cut them out from others.
I suggest you guys think on this further, then from what the scammer says. He'll prob mention that he's encouraging it, just to get ppl off his back.
Originally by: RapidTaco Think about it man if people make isk from it. they can put it back in. so 2 bil may have been put in plans but who knows how much of it was profit from other days. again you do not know wtf it going on and yet to take it upon yourself to spam the admin. if anyone tracks it they will find out it is straight up. I have been watching the numbers very hard so I could play I wish I would have made a spreadsheet to show you. But in any case STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who knows? Who cares? The precise response I expected from a satisfied customer, looking to participate in a round 2. There will be no round two, if you guys open your eyes. You'll have to make me happy, man, if you want me to reject my accusations. I may sound uncaring, but I'm hoping others realise the scamming potential: and the massive probability that this IS, in fact, a scam. I strongly believe that it is. Call it blackmail if you want. Call it me being simply angry at losing money. But I suggest you realise that it is a scam. What I've said strongly points to these facts. Eventually, I may have evidence (whether tampered or not) through the logs that the admin promised to show me.
I understand, no matter what happens that people like rapidtaco will not care, because they've only seen benefit. It won't change anything for them to realise the whole venture is a scam. So they'll either deny it, or join in with the Admin.
This is not spam. It is highly constructive criticism in an attempt to make people realise the very subtle truth.
Again you have no numbers or stats STOP TALKING!!! And what part do you have in this convo you are just whining like a little girl cuz you lost some isk. And it is Mr.RapidTaco to you. f'in noob.And who are you to say wtf resources I have. - RapidTaco
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Lypert
Zemindar Supermacy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Heyte There is no way to aquire the precise numbers. The history of all investments has been deleted, and the logs may have been tampered with. So far, I've yet to recieve the logs (until I check my mail of course).
That's all in the highly planned and carefully coordinated scam.
Rapidtaco, you have little resources at your desposal. Seriously, telling me to shut the **** up gets you nowhere. If you fail to realise this, then you have very little purpose in this argument.
In all seriousness, if people want to be involved in a scam then let them (it is not for you to be a vigil-anti). You can warn the public with one post not ten. You have made your point, we are tired of it now. -------------------------------------------------- Zemindar Supermacy is recruiting |
RapidTaco
Caldari Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.04.09 03:46:00 -
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CAN I GET AN AMEN! ty Lypert - RapidTaco
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Heyte
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:01:00 -
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Unfortunately, Lypert, with the whole stream of information coming through, it's to get ppl to listen to ME specifically. This, of course, doesn't make me egocentric, it merely is as a means to provide raw information beyond simply voicing 'It's a scam. He's a sheister!', like many others have already done, before the program, and perhaps a little afterwards.
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RapidTaco
Caldari Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Heyte Unfortunately, Lypert, with the whole stream of information coming through, it's to get ppl to listen to ME specifically. This, of course, doesn't make me egocentric, it merely is as a means to provide raw information beyond simply voicing 'It's a scam. He's a sheister!', like many others have already done, before the program, and perhaps a little afterwards.
I have not seen 1 bit of information in your mails yet.I hear "it's a scam I have no data but it's a scam" bla bla bla - RapidTaco
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EVEhyip Admin
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:22:00 -
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well, that was painless. Only 7 pages total. Here you go..
Starting from day 1 to day of collapse.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/1.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/2.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/3.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/4.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/5.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/6.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/7.jpg
Now, after each round ends I will be more than happy to post logs. As well as I plan to leave the collapsed sight up for at least 24 hours before I clear the stats again. So you math boys can analize it.
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Klasanov
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:33:00 -
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Sounds like someone lost a lot of money and he's sad now.
Heyte, you should have known.
It's a PONZI scheme! For crying out loud!
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EVEhyip Admin
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:36:00 -
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the sad thing is, he was one of the first investors. He could have made out with a killing.
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nameless banker
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:46:00 -
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I think I remembered seeing that.
I saw a lot of people who didn't withdraw ISK, so I think quite a few lost out in fact.
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EVEhyip Admin
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Posted - 2007.04.09 05:02:00 -
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lol, yeah.
This second round will be vicious as well.
Round 3 will be much more laid back. I have some numbers worked up that should prove to be alot of fun, and a bit more long term. You will hurt yourself figuring out what plan to invest in.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.04.09 05:20:00 -
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I love it. Kinda like Russian Roulette.
I reckon I am gonna blow some cash on this, sounds like a lot of fun for those who manage to get in and out in a timely manner
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RapidTaco
Caldari Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.04.09 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic I love it. Kinda like Russian Roulette.
I reckon I am gonna blow some cash on this, sounds like a lot of fun for those who manage to get in and out in a timely manner
Wiser words have never been spoken. :) enjoy the game boys and girls here we go!
<--- you thought he was dead huh? nope it's another pirate. KILL IT! - RapidTaco
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Heyte
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Posted - 2007.04.09 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Heyte on 09/04/2007 06:09:17 Edited by: Heyte on 09/04/2007 06:05:54 Alright, now I get it. The admin never wished to give out his main's name, because he's scared of getting war decked.
Cowardly ******.
I have no chance in this. I give up. I can't provide data, because data has been subtly denied.
Apparently, I'm seeing massive withdrawals that I never saw on record in the site. This could suggest that it actually happened, but was not reported on the site for sake of deposit encouragement.
That still makes it a scam, *****. Few of you care.
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apanda
Caldari PBA Corporation The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.04.09 06:15:00 -
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I invested 501m... I got 428M back.... There was no profit, I lost over 70M.
I thought I reinvested 1 billion... it was all fake.
No second chance anymore.
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Klasanov
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Posted - 2007.04.09 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Klasanov on 09/04/2007 06:28:53 Wait, wait?
The isk was all fake?
OMG CCP ban him he's duplicating ISK!
Haha seriously. Glad to see you didn't lose 1 billion, only seventy.
I think this is what you're seeing, Heyte.
The withderawn isk being less than the deposited ISK ad breaking the bank is because some of the ISK was "fake".
Remember him stating this was a ponzi scheme?
There was no business model to actually generate ISK.
so whatever someone made in round 1 someone else lost.
Whatever someone invested from earnings not cashed out was, in essence, investing paper isk backed by the same substance in space.
Does that make it a scam?
Yes!
Albeit one that was disclosed as such, and people still invested. even you. You really can't complain here.
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Heyte
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Posted - 2007.04.09 06:47:00 -
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I invested because of the fact that the man in question put up a website with a domain of its own, the fact barely anyone believed him at the beginning (which would of discouraged most ppl), etc.
I thought I'd be able to profit being the first of a few. I didn't realise fake money was put into the equation. It was pretty damn elaborate, and it's impossible to know whether or not such numbers would be applied into the investment.
So yah. Good on you guys. I'd like to see this guy giving me back what I have the right to, because otherwise I'll simply sway ppl in the other direction through my proof. Most ppl, after hearing all this on our side, will most likely be discouraged from investing, even after listening to what the admin says afterwards. I need my money afterall.
Scammer.
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Ninmar
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ninmar on 09/04/2007 07:06:15 edit: I hate how these forum posts work with character selection - and it resets after a preview. See the next post:
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Rallmar
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:10:00 -
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Personally, I made a nice profit on this with my investment, and I will be putting 100m into the phase 2. I could say more about the people posting in this thread, but it would be completely wasted.
As for anyone interested, when the evehyip admin is online, my transactions have been processed nearly immediately and all my emails were personally answered. I only had one problem with this program and it was fixed within minutes of my evemail to him.
p.s. Sorry I broke the bank apparently
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Lypert
Zemindar Supermacy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:18:00 -
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Could you actually post the log for the Evehyip admin account, currently what you have is incomplete and impossible to determine. The only thing I can actually work out is how much isk was put in and it was quiet a lot.
If you fail to post full information, it quiet likely i wont round 2. And you want me to play right -------------------------------------------------- Zemindar Supermacy is recruiting |
RapidTaco
Caldari Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:36:00 -
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if you check out those pics admin took you can see all that was put in and taken out. the game closed with 162K isk in the account. so go back through and you can see EVERYTHING!
and everyone is calling it "fake isk" it grows and closes. IT IS A PYRAMID SCHEME SETUP AS A GAME! THE WEBSITE TELLS YOU THAT!
"This is ponzi scheme and will collapse upon itself. Investors will be paid out until no more funds are available. At that time the server will reset and start over. 3% of total investments will go to admin upon collapse for all the work it takes to keep this live. I feel that is fair, as im not out to scam anyone. Please read FAQ BEFORE you sign up. If you have any questions thats not listed under the FAQ you may mail me through support. I wish you the best, and good luck."
That is right from the site. I think you are ****ed cuz you lost isk. And you want to know why you lost isk? You invested in something you know nothing about and if you would have even looked up what a ponzi scheme was you could have known how these things go.
I have made a fair bit of isk off this and intend to try and make a bit more. The reason I do well is because I research what I am getting involved in. Be informed people come on. And if you had a question you should have asked it the admin was all over staying on top of that forum thread.
Thanks for running the game EVEHYIP Admin it is a lot of fun. sorry people do not read and hope this post helps out.
Hope this clears a bit up for everyone.
- RapidTaco
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LoneCold
Gallente Libertae Nolvm
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:41:00 -
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I won, but only slightly. I won't invest in a 14 day plan this round as round 1 didn't even last 14 days lol. Heyte quit with the moaning, there is no scam. Think of it as a game of roulette. If you don't want to gamble then don't...
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Lypert
Zemindar Supermacy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: RapidTaco if you check out those pics admin took you can see all that was put in and taken out. the game closed with 162K isk in the account. so go back through and you can see EVERYTHING!
How did you come up with that figure?
From what i can work out from EVE-HYIP logs is that about 1.3Bil (roughly) was invested and about 750mil was payed out. Now i have probably made a mistake so if somebody else wants to correct me, good.
I want to get real figures in order to make a judgement on whether to play or not.
If EVE-HYIP could give the overall figures and some backup proof that would make me very happy.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.04.09 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Heyte I invested because of the fact that the man in question put up a website with a domain of its own, the fact barely anyone believed him at the beginning (which would of discouraged most ppl), etc.
I thought I'd be able to profit being the first of a few. I didn't realise fake money was put into the equation. It was pretty damn elaborate, and it's impossible to know whether or not such numbers would be applied into the investment.
So yah. Good on you guys. I'd like to see this guy giving me back what I have the right to, because otherwise I'll simply sway ppl in the other direction through my proof. Most ppl, after hearing all this on our side, will most likely be discouraged from investing, even after listening to what the admin says afterwards. I need my money afterall.
Scammer.
I don't agree with this "project". In fact I vaguely spoke out against a few pages back. But in all honestly you are acting like a child.
The old adage of "its better keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, then open it and remove all doubt." You have successfully removed all doubt. You invested in a known scam and surprisingly enough you got scammed. Now you are being a complete baby about it. So act your age, unless of course you are, and in that case, grow up.
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Tirg
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:05:00 -
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Topic cleaned. Treat each other with respect. You can't call people noobs, no matter how you feel. Responding to troll posts makes you as guilty as the troller. PLEASE email us at [email protected], if you see trolling posts. I'm very happy to feed them to my goat
forum rules
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:31:00 -
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There is a reason it is called a Ponzi SCHEME and not a Ponzi Investment or Ponzi Business Plan.
Investing in this thing is raw foolishness, and if you lose money to it despite repeated warnings that this is raw foolishness at the beginning of the thread, not the least of which is the flat out admission on the part of the OP that this is in fact a Ponzi Scheme, you have NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF.
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Mother Clanger
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus Investing in this thing is raw foolishness...
It's only foolishness if you don't know what you're getting yourself into. As it turns out, I spent 20mil learning how to play it. Yep, I lost money, big whoop, it's about 0.00000033% of my total assets.
Originally by: Gaius Sejanus ...and if you lose money to it despite repeated warnings that this is ...in fact a Ponzi Scheme, you have NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF.
Quote for the absolute truth. I was fully prepared for this. As long as it turns out from the figures that a substantial amount more than EveHYIP declared wasn't taken out of the scheme, he hasn't done anything but run a truthful venture. If his turns out to be the case, I hope he continues to.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:17:00 -
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Here's how it works:
Day 1: Investor 1: deposits 100mil isk for 3days, earns 20mil isk, balance = 100mil Investor 2: deposits 100mil isk for 14 days, earns 33mil isk, balance = 100mil Investor 3: deposits 50mil isk for 3days, earns 10mil isk, balance = 50mil Isk on Deposit = 250mil Interest added = 63mil Interest Owed = 63mil Actual isk held = 250mil Day 2: Investor 1: reinvests 20mil isk, earns 24mil isk, balance = 120mil Investor 2: reinvests 33mil isk, earns 43.9mil isk, balance = 133mil Investor 3: withdraws 10mil isk, earns 10mil isk, balance = 50mil Investor 4: deposits 100mil isk for 3 days, earns 20mil isk, balance = 100mil Isk on Deposit = 350mil Interest added = 97.9mil Interest Owed = 150.9mil Actual isk held = 340mil Day 3: Investor 1: reinvests 24mil isk, earns 28.8mil isk, balance = 144mil Investor 2: reinvests 43.9mil isk, earns 58.4mil isk, balance = 176.9mil Investor 3: withdraws 10mil isk, earns 10mil isk, balance = 50mil Investor 4: withdraws 20mil isk, earns 20mil isk, balance = 100mil Isk on Deposit = 350mil Interest added = 117.2mil Interset owed = 185.1mil Actual isk held = 310mil Day 4: Investor 1: withdraws 172.8 mil isk, balance = 0 Investor 2: reinvests 58.4mil isk, earns 77.6mil isk, balance = 235.3mil Investor 3: withdraws 60mil isk, balance = 0 Investor 4: withdraws 20mil isk, earns 20mil isk, balance = 100mil Isk on Deposit = 200mil Interest added = 97.6mil Interest owed = 179.9mil Actual isk held = 57.2mil Day 5: Investor 1: not active Investor 2: reinvests 77.6mil isk, earns 103.3mil, balance = 312.9mil Investor 3: not active Investor 4: withdraws 120mil isk, balance = 0 Isk on Deposti = 100mil Interest added = 103.3mil Interest owed = 263.2mil Actual isk held = -62.8mil
The results by investor: Investor 1: gain 72.8 mil Investor 2: loss 100 mil Investor 3: gain 30 mil Investor 4: loss 2.8 mil
As you can see, the fund is unable to sustain withdrawals. The short term investors gain at the cost of the long term investors.
The scam isn't the admin fee being charged. The scam is one of the big winners actually being the main of the administrator. If I wanted to run this as a money making scam, I would be participating in my own Ponzi Scheme as an early short term investor. Get some publicity by being open about the nature of the scheme. Deflect criticism by pointing to the nature of the scheme. Get more people in on the scam by playing up the "game of chance" aspect. Reap the benefits as one of the "lucky" ones.
So, who wants to make odds on which of the investors is the main of EVEhyip Admin?
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