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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.04.10 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pang Grohl what he said
lol
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EVEhyip Admin
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Posted - 2007.04.10 00:56:00 -
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Well, that last post has a good idea. But I am NOT playing. As there is no way for me to prove that, you will need to take my word for it. Im afarid even if I gave my real name, my address, my social security number, a copy of my passport, I would still be under suspicion. Even if I gave my mains identity away I would be accused of using a alt.
Here is the best I can do for you all. I have made new screenshots that are better quality. You can even download them and zoom in to see better if you wish.
The blacked out deposits are from my main. The first 5 people that invested got a free 1 mil isk to play with, sent from my main. The second deposit was for CSPA charges I felt that I should pay. And the last one is a withdrawal sent to my main for my 3%. In fact wasnt 3% due to the bumpy ride on round 1.
The game ended on withdrawal made at 2007.04.08 16:40. The next one above that was apanda trying to get a head start on round 2. this was returned to him. And the rest are round 2 deposits.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/1-1.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/2-1.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/3-1.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/4-1.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/5-1.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/6-1.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/powellpork/7-1.jpg
I dont know what else I can do to prove myself. Hope this is good enough for you all. I am a very trusting and honest person. Again, no way to prove that. You are all lucky that someone like me decided to run such a fun game. You should just enjoy it, or dont play.
Thanks for your time.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.04.10 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: EVEhyip Admin
I dont know what else I can do to prove myself. Hope this is good enough for you all. I am a very trusting and honest person. Again, no way to prove that. You are all lucky that someone like me decided to run such a fun game. You should just enjoy it, or dont play.
Thanks for your time.
do you "honestly" not see the irony in what you've typed?
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Lypert
Zemindar Supermacy
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Posted - 2007.04.10 02:04:00 -
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Ok, with the better pictures I was able to calculate it and it all stacks up, this guy is honest.
If you don't like his "investment" scheme then don't invest. -------------------------------------------------- Zemindar Supermacy is recruiting |
Heyte
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Posted - 2007.04.10 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pang Grohl Here's how it works:
Day 1: Investor 1: deposits 100mil isk for 3days, earns 20mil isk, balance = 100mil Investor 2: deposits 100mil isk for 14 days, earns 33mil isk, balance = 100mil Investor 3: deposits 50mil isk for 3days, earns 10mil isk, balance = 50mil Isk on Deposit = 250mil Interest added = 63mil Interest Owed = 63mil Actual isk held = 250mil Day 2: Investor 1: reinvests 20mil isk, earns 24mil isk, balance = 120mil Investor 2: reinvests 33mil isk, earns 43.9mil isk, balance = 133mil Investor 3: withdraws 10mil isk, earns 10mil isk, balance = 50mil Investor 4: deposits 100mil isk for 3 days, earns 20mil isk, balance = 100mil Isk on Deposit = 350mil Interest added = 97.9mil Interest Owed = 150.9mil Actual isk held = 340mil Day 3: Investor 1: reinvests 24mil isk, earns 28.8mil isk, balance = 144mil Investor 2: reinvests 43.9mil isk, earns 58.4mil isk, balance = 176.9mil Investor 3: withdraws 10mil isk, earns 10mil isk, balance = 50mil Investor 4: withdraws 20mil isk, earns 20mil isk, balance = 100mil Isk on Deposit = 350mil Interest added = 117.2mil Interset owed = 185.1mil Actual isk held = 310mil Day 4: Investor 1: withdraws 172.8 mil isk, balance = 0 Investor 2: reinvests 58.4mil isk, earns 77.6mil isk, balance = 235.3mil Investor 3: withdraws 60mil isk, balance = 0 Investor 4: withdraws 20mil isk, earns 20mil isk, balance = 100mil Isk on Deposit = 200mil Interest added = 97.6mil Interest owed = 179.9mil Actual isk held = 57.2mil Day 5: Investor 1: not active Investor 2: reinvests 77.6mil isk, earns 103.3mil, balance = 312.9mil Investor 3: not active Investor 4: withdraws 120mil isk, balance = 0 Isk on Deposti = 100mil Interest added = 103.3mil Interest owed = 263.2mil Actual isk held = -62.8mil
The results by investor: Investor 1: gain 72.8 mil Investor 2: loss 100 mil Investor 3: gain 30 mil Investor 4: loss 2.8 mil
As you can see, the fund is unable to sustain withdrawals. The short term investors gain at the cost of the long term investors.
The scam isn't the admin fee being charged. The scam is one of the big winners actually being the main of the administrator. If I wanted to run this as a money making scam, I would be participating in my own Ponzi Scheme as an early short term investor. Get some publicity by being open about the nature of the scheme. Deflect criticism by pointing to the nature of the scheme. Get more people in on the scam by playing up the "game of chance" aspect. Reap the benefits as one of the "lucky" ones.
So, who wants to make odds on which of the investors is the main of EVEhyip Admin?
Hard to say, in actuality. Obviously it's not apanda, due to his losing out on money, despite making a lesser withdrawal then what he deposited afterwards (according to what he said).
Perhaps it could be the 'finisher', but that's also difficult to proclaim. This is why the scam proves rather brilliant.
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Guru
Kapital Punishment
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Posted - 2007.04.10 02:42:00 -
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I have been paid when I have withdrew.. lost 3 mil last round, made 5 mil so far this round.. always fast response.. Im having fun :)
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Lypert
Zemindar Supermacy
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Posted - 2007.04.10 03:39:00 -
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Yes, it is a scam as not everybody who 'invests' gets there 20% + return. It is gambling really. Achieving financial freedom from gambling is a pipe-dream but if you are having fun gambling and you make some isk then good luck to you.
I said he was honest as the isk that has gone into the fund has come out. ie: sum of all the desposits is the same as the sum of all the withdrawls (minus the fee). -------------------------------------------------- Zemindar Supermacy is recruiting |
RapidTaco
Caldari Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.04.11 02:13:00 -
[128]
508 mil cashed out. All is well :) - RapidTaco
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Guru
Kapital Punishment
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Posted - 2007.04.11 03:26:00 -
[129]
Exactly.. its gambling.. nothing is sure, but if you lucky you can make some cash... so far so good for me. No issues.
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Princess Trinity
Astro Tech N Trade
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Posted - 2007.04.12 01:24:00 -
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BANK is bout to break soon, unless some new isk comes in.
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EVEhyip Admin
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Posted - 2007.04.12 03:30:00 -
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I would like to hear some ideas from the community. What would you like to see up as investment plans for round 3?
A few options to concider that is easy for me to change is, being paid out daily. This can be changed to weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly. Anything in the plans is changed easy as well. Maybe lower the maximum you can put into a plan so the game is a bit more longterm, and the big investors dont make out with all the money. Also lower the % paid out. Anything is possible...
Give me some ideas, shoot me some numbers. Lets make this as fun as can be.
One of my goals is to make it a bit less time consuming for me, Only loging in once a day would be very nice, free up some hours for me.
Also I would like to give a BIG Thanks to everyone who has played.
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EVEhyip Admin
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Posted - 2007.04.12 04:00:00 -
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Rapid Taco has BROKE THE BANK!
congratulations to all the winners.
Thanks to everyone who participated in round 2.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.04.12 10:33:00 -
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he withdrew 26 hours ago. Was the bank broken that whole time?
Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine! |
EVEhyip Admin
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic he withdrew 26 hours ago. Was the bank broken that whole time?
lol, thats a good one. If it was more clear of what we were doing this quote would go to bash.org
umm, you do realise you get paid every 24 hours dont you.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.12 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic he withdrew 26 hours ago. Was the bank broken that whole time?
His probably made it so there weren't sufficient funds for next person who attempted to withdraw their original deposit.
I'd be curious to know in what order withdrawal requests are honored. Is it First in first out, or first come first serve?
Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting) |
Guru
Kapital Punishment
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Posted - 2007.04.12 20:20:00 -
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I knew it was going to crash.. just look at the stats and you can figure out when its getting close. I dont think there is any reason to switch up withdrawals.. hes gettin his part either way. I played it exactly how I thought I could beat it and it worked.. the first time I played it without any thought and I lost. Needless to say.. I made money.
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Angelic Demon
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Posted - 2007.04.13 00:19:00 -
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to help clarify, i have done some number crunching. if you see rapidtaco invested a TOTAL of 558 mil, but, he has seperate timed withdrawls. i remember seeing that he had originaly invested 500 mil, and at the 14 day plan he gets his 235 mil based on the time in which it was invested. he then must have invested 58 mil later in the 14 day plan which produced the 19.14 mil later in the day. his original withdrawl on the day of breaking, was not sufficient to break the bank, as i was able to make a withdrawl. but the subsequent 19.14 mil due to the 58 mil investment is what caused it to break.
also, from what i have understood from chatting with the Admin, the withdrawls are made in the order they are requested. for example, if i and taco both have an earning to break the bank, but i put in the request to take the funds before taco, even though he earned it first, i would break the bank as i was the one to request the funds first. therefore, it is wise to be mindful of the time you invest money as 24 hours from that minute you will be able to pull out your earnings. if someone earns money before you, then you should understand that unless they are online ready to pull those earnings out, then you would get the money before them.
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yanshi
Amarr Spectrum Solutions INC Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.04.13 03:09:00 -
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made money too. deposited 100 mil on 3 day plan, 2 days later, i withdrew 52 mil, then on the third day i withdrew 116 mil out of 126. so i made a total of 52+119-100(original deposit) = 71 mil. out of potential 81 mils as i left 10 mil in the bank for another 3-day investment, but didn;t makie it out with that one.
so this works, curious what the 3-rd round will be like.
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RapidTaco
Caldari Taco's Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.04.13 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: RapidTaco on 13/04/2007 08:04:48 /emote does not even have a comment on how the game should be played. Cuz apparently if you do the math. ummmmmmm.... you win :) I am just glad angelic didn't break it before my second withdraw. I do have 1 comment on the gameplay tho. I think it would be hardcore if your funds were locked in like evehyip adim said with lower %. it would make the game much easier for a large group to still get in on the game at a slower pace and not have me beat them as badly this time. gl guys I look forward to another round.
- RapidTaco
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TehWigga679
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Posted - 2007.04.13 11:16:00 -
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ummmm kinda new at this but i made withdraws before the round was over and i havent seen any of the deposit or the isk i made. can you help me with that?
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.04.13 12:15:00 -
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ok, this is obviously not an actual business, it's a scam and a game, and he's selling slots in his scam/game.
why isn't this on the sell forum or some place not here, so that people don't confuse this with something legit?
it being here for so long, gives it the feel of legitimacy, especially if you don't have people crying scam or BS every day. |
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Tirg
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.13 13:40:00 -
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We also allow IPO threads; he's a short term IPO/Ponzi, and looking to make a longer term IPO/Ponzi. We also allow capital ship cooperation threads ( now with it's own sticky). The reason behind this is, those types of threads tend to garner alot of discussion ( along with scam calls). In the sell order forum, none of those posts are allowed. Go through the thread again, you'll see very few posts are *isk sent*, most are discussion.
forum rules
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.04.13 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tirg We also allow IPO threads; he's a short term IPO/Ponzi, and looking to make a longer term IPO/Ponzi. We also allow capital ship cooperation threads ( now with it's own sticky). The reason behind this is, those types of threads tend to garner alot of discussion ( along with scam calls). In the sell order forum, none of those posts are allowed. Go through the thread again, you'll see very few posts are *isk sent*, most are discussion.
oh yeah, i forgot ccp supports things like eib. my bad. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.04.13 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: EVEhyip Admin
Originally by: Ricdic he withdrew 26 hours ago. Was the bank broken that whole time?
lol, thats a good one. If it was more clear of what we were doing this quote would go to bash.org
umm, you do realise you get paid every 24 hours dont you.
honestly, if you invest in this scam after this post... you're just asking for him to take your money. |
Pravin Lal
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:06:00 -
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Just because some people are too slow to understand basic math doesn't make it a scam.
It's a gamble. A calcualted, predictable gamble, but a gamble nonetheless.
L2math
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 13/04/2007 20:28:22
Originally by: Pravin Lal Just because some people are too slow to understand basic math doesn't make it a scam.
It's a gamble. A calcualted, predictable gamble, but a gamble nonetheless.
L2math
* A Ponzie Scheme, or game, ''is a fraudulent investment scheme where funds of newer investors are used to pay artificially high returns to original investors,'' according to Webster's New World Dictionary.
um, not sure if that's my definition of a gamble. |
Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.13 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 13/04/2007 20:28:22
Originally by: Pravin Lal Just because some people are too slow to understand basic math doesn't make it a scam.
It's a gamble. A calcualted, predictable gamble, but a gamble nonetheless.
L2math
* A Ponzie Scheme, or game, ''is a fraudulent investment scheme where funds of newer investors are used to pay artificially high returns to original investors,'' according to Webster's New World Dictionary.
um, not sure if that's my definition of a gamble.
It's like "chicken" with ISK.
Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting) |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.04.13 21:40:00 -
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chicken with isk would be pew pewing.
it's a ponzi scam. if you participate in it, you deserve to lose everything, because you know what it is. period. |
Guru
Kapital Punishment
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Posted - 2007.04.14 00:11:00 -
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exactly.. you know what it is.. so if you play the game smart then you could make out. I really see nothing wrong as everything is pretty much in the open as far as I can tell. Is it the best investment.?. well probably not even an investment. Its more like buying an expensive scratchoff.. but you know if you scratch it off in the exact right order you increase your chances of winning..lol
I dont know.. I think its cool you can find things going on like this in a online game.. your gonna scare the kind of people off who come up with new and inventive ways to make money...
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yanshi
Amarr Spectrum Solutions INC Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.04.16 02:03:00 -
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so when does this start again? |
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