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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1908
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Posted - 2016.11.10 15:20:17 -
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Guess it's my turn today since I'm up oddly early for my usual sleep cycle.
It seems some of us were a little more accurate in our assessment of Drifter activity than others, earlier than others, yet again.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8806
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Posted - 2016.11.10 15:31:52 -
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Hmmm.
Well, sounds like it's time for another check on the Hives to see how 'subtle' this change in behavior is.
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
676
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Posted - 2016.11.10 15:33:38 -
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The SOE is getting shadier with each passing year. They even have splinter cells now!
No wonder some people consider them a "pirate" group. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
580
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Posted - 2016.11.10 16:07:12 -
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Taya Akira is the hero we need right now, however odd that may sound. A person bold enough to act straightforward, openly and decisively in regards to this crisis. This is something we haven't seen from larger entities for a long time.
I am concerned about her and her group's safety right now, though.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1908
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Posted - 2016.11.10 16:10:26 -
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In all fairness, if you can name a faction, I'm pretty sure someone can come up with a good reason to call them shady too, Ruil.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
201
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Posted - 2016.11.10 16:13:54 -
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Can we just start closing all these wormholes as they appear, so these drifters would stay there forever? I heard some wormhole groups have technology of closing them by moving huge mass through them. Maybe there is a way to make all wormholes to disappear everywhere?
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
676
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Posted - 2016.11.10 16:34:14 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:In all fairness, if you can name a faction, I'm pretty sure someone can come up with a good reason to call them shady too, Ruil.
True, true. But while there are several shades of shady, the SOE is a cult of instrumentality level of shady. |
Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative Moist.
193
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Posted - 2016.11.10 17:02:05 -
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Hmm, very interesting . . . but what does it mean exactly? |
Hetu Hegirin
Otherwhere Circle
10
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Posted - 2016.11.10 17:40:43 -
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Persephone Alleile wrote:Hmm, very interesting . . . but what does it mean exactly? I sympathize. I'd be gratified if Parliament could petition Chief Aeboul for clarification before the next meeting at the Grand Caravanserai. "Anomalous" by itself bears nearly no value to Thukker kin outside of Anoikis, which they well know. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
699
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Posted - 2016.11.11 13:24:00 -
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Whoa, that's a lot of words saying absolutely nothing. |
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8812
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Posted - 2016.11.11 17:11:41 -
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Precisely my issue, Ms. Teinhyr; "We're very concerned!" "About?" "Strange things." "What are these strange things?" Crickets.
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Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative Moist.
196
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Posted - 2016.11.11 17:15:32 -
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Anomalous behaviour (meant to be read in a spooky voice)
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
678
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Posted - 2016.11.11 17:41:45 -
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Persephone Alleile wrote:Anomalous behaviour (meant to be read in a spooky voice)
Almost as scary as Null Sec. I'm serious! |
Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
869
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Posted - 2016.11.12 19:08:12 -
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As a J-spacer I can confirm some shifts in the patterns of behavior and the efficacy of drifter responses in our territory and those we reach connections to. To be frank, we are starting to simply avoid these things, their behavior is starting to shift, getting more aggressive, more coordinated, more unpredictable and more numerous seemingly by the day. We are even starting to hear stories of gangs of these battleships hunting capsuleers and even their citadels out here in Anoikis, rather than their usual behavior of simply responding to attacks on Seekers and Sleepers. And let's not forget, the growing and uncanny number of "mysteriously missing high-profile capsuleers whose clones didn't activate for some reason", and the Seekers and Drifters' disturbing habit of attacking any capsuleer with biomass in their cargo. There may be a connection there related to the collection of biomass and the odd nature of Drifter physiology that nobody seems to be drawing.
Here's where I get into the larger issue of this.. and why I am staying away from the Drifters for now and building up as much of our forces in 55 as we can. I think the random acts of coordinated violence, the surgical strikes the Drifters previously engaged in, in k-space, were not at all like what we will see in the future. If you review the, admittedly circumstantial evidence, you will see a chain of dominos begin to take shape. Now the evidence is not materially there for this theory of mine (bear with me), but that is due in no small part to the massive efforts of the powers that be to monopolize control over any and all physical evidence and technology pertaining to the sleepers and drifters.
For example..
We have the quickly covered-up (SHUT IT DOWN!) leaks from Hilen Tukoss' last transmission over a year ago.
And let's not forget, I'm sure the cluster would know much more than this to properly prepare ourselves against the Drifter influx that is coming, if the data that Lucas Raholan must've recovered from Tukoss's body long ago had been released. I mean, why else were they so completely obsessed with his corpse, mentioning its apparent "desecration" (as if something important had been taken from the remains)? The respect of Hilen Tukoss that the DED holds dear to its heart? Hardly. He did not get along with them and vice versa, because he was not a bootlicker. And since when has CONCORD and the DED given a damn about basic human respect? No, they went after IKAME because IKAME found critical information, and everyone knows it deep down, regardless of the fact that the DED has by now long buried the evidence.
Anyway, long story short, the DED threatened the IKAME exploration team, of which Raholan was a part, with death warrants and a whole slew of other "We will **** with your life" sort of situations, bullying them into submission. And my personal favorite, a little birdie told me that the Empire threatened to strike my man Lucas from the Book of Records, which for the faithful like Raholan removed any choice he had on the matter. Ah yes, let's all think about that.
The identification of the corpse was secondary, Tukoss likely had important information stored with him that was the true identifier that it was indeed Tukoss. It wasn't just Tukoss's body that was handed over to the DED, there was probably a shard with critical intel on the Drifters shown in that hazy footage. And when Raholan handed it over, the DED buried it forever and did not begin preparing capsuleers for this eventuality as they should've done, because they are more concerned with maintaining their fragile grip on stability and power than preparing us against massive foreign threats that they arrogantly think they can handle. They cannot, they have no idea what is coming.
But don't listen to me, I'm just a crazy drunken idiot who likes to make sex jokes on the Summit. Right?
There's the dots and my two cents thrown in there, connect them if you see such a connection.
Just remember who is to blame if we find we are not ready for this. The blood from a potential drifter attack on the empires is on the DED's hands since they refused to divulge the necessary information to prepare their greatest weapon: capsuleers.
We had over a year to prepare and instead, our dear leaders chose the path of covering it up and putting their heads in the sand. Whatever happens now is on them.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1911
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Posted - 2016.11.13 08:22:10 -
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Jason Galente wrote:We had over a year to prepare and instead, our dear leaders chose the path of covering it up and putting their heads in the sand. Whatever happens now is on them. Out of curiosity, what exactly do you think ARC and similar outfits have been doing since the appearance of the Drifters and the Seekers? I hope you don't think that we've been sitting around with our thumbs up our backsides.
Despite the sometimes antagonistic approach certain individuals within CONCORD have taken, we have openly offered the results of our work and effort over the last two years to them for their benefit, and will continue to do so. That they choose not to take us up on those offers is their decision.
Whether it's because they feel prepared enough to not need our assistance, or because they're reluctant to admit that we did much of their job for them (entirely possible in at least one case I can think of), isn't all that clear. But on the other hand, it's also not all that important.
What is important is that [i[we[/i] will be ready for what comes, or at least as ready as is possible given the situation, regardless of whether they are or not.
They know where to find us and how to contact us if they want our help... assuming we aren't already providing it.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1757
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Posted - 2016.11.13 08:38:36 -
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Dark Times.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
701
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Posted - 2016.11.13 14:34:01 -
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Jason Galente wrote:But don't listen to me, I'm just a crazy drunken idiot who likes to make sex jokes on the Summit. Right?
Just remember who is to blame if we find we are not ready for this. The blood from a potential drifter attack on the empires is on the DED's hands since they refused to divulge the necessary information to prepare their greatest weapon: capsuleers.
Alright.
And yes I will remember who I will blame for bullying a dragon despite the dragon clawing back at them several times before and not learning to leave well enough alone. And a hint: It's not just the empires. I find it a form of staggering ignorance to only blame the empires when you and others like you have been actively harvesting Sleeper enclaves for years after years, even after the Sleeper/Drifter link was established. |
Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
870
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Posted - 2016.11.13 20:40:05 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Jason Galente wrote:But don't listen to me, I'm just a crazy drunken idiot who likes to make sex jokes on the Summit. Right?
Just remember who is to blame if we find we are not ready for this. The blood from a potential drifter attack on the empires is on the DED's hands since they refused to divulge the necessary information to prepare their greatest weapon: capsuleers.
Alright. And yes I will remember who I will blame for bullying a dragon despite the dragon clawing back at them several times before and not learning to leave well enough alone. And a hint: It's not just the empires. I find it a form of staggering ignorance to only blame the empires when you and others like you have been actively harvesting Sleeper enclaves for years after years, even after the Sleeper/Drifter link was established.
Oh, don't act like you're innocent.
Everyone stuck their hands in that cookie jar. Strategic Cruisers and Tactical Destroyers, much? Those who haven't directly harvested materials from the Sleepers, many have used those materials to make products that they profited off of, and the rest bought and used those products to great affect, often using them to enforce their wills over other living human beings the same way j-spacers do it over electronics and their bizarre not-human-not-Sleeper creations, the Drifters.
And the amount of wealth and power that has been created for New Eden from disrupting their little virtual reality has been immense for real living, breathing, walking, talking people. You going to suddenly give me the moralist vegetarian argument?
Give me a break. It's the nature of humanity to control, control and expand. If we can do that to Sleepers instead of other human beings, I'd say that's an improvement.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
703
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Posted - 2016.11.13 22:11:53 -
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Jason Galente wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Jason Galente wrote:But don't listen to me, I'm just a crazy drunken idiot who likes to make sex jokes on the Summit. Right?
Just remember who is to blame if we find we are not ready for this. The blood from a potential drifter attack on the empires is on the DED's hands since they refused to divulge the necessary information to prepare their greatest weapon: capsuleers.
Alright. And yes I will remember who I will blame for bullying a dragon despite the dragon clawing back at them several times before and not learning to leave well enough alone. And a hint: It's not just the empires. I find it a form of staggering ignorance to only blame the empires when you and others like you have been actively harvesting Sleeper enclaves for years after years, even after the Sleeper/Drifter link was established. Oh, don't act like you're innocent. Everyone stuck their hands in that cookie jar. Strategic Cruisers and Tactical Destroyers, much? Those who haven't directly harvested materials from the Sleepers, many have used those materials to make products that they profited off of, and the rest bought and used those products to great affect, often using them to enforce their wills over other living human beings the same way j-spacers do it over electronics and their bizarre not-human-not-Sleeper creations, the Drifters. And the amount of wealth and power that has been created for New Eden from disrupting their little virtual reality has been immense for real living, breathing, walking, talking people. You going to suddenly give me the moralist vegetarian argument? Give me a break. It's the nature of humanity to conquer, control and expand. If we can do that to Sleepers instead of other human beings, I'd say that's an improvement. Obviously it has consequences, which, let's be honest. Were kind of unpredictable. I mean, on the list of things that I would consider bizarre and unpredictable, I'd put "the Sleepers will call up their homies the space techie zombies with giant battleships that have unbelievably advanced technology that we somehow ignored or missed for several years" right up there with "Dolan Tramp wins power in Black Rise." It seems we live in a strange universe and must simply prepare for it.
Never said I was completely innocent - however I've only touched the crumbs of those proverbial cookies through trading some of the technology for research purposes - I'll say to my defence. I just said I will remember who antagonized them actively even though they should've by then known better. I've been advocating for seeking a peaceful solution to the Drifter issue for a long time and have been against raiding Sleeper and Talocan ruins ever since I first personally explored one of their complexes several years ago.
The wealth and power you claim that has benefitted real people.. I guess the capsuleer elite are real people. Like you yourself said, the vast majority of the technological advancement has benefitted militarily inclined industries. I've yet to read how fullerite-enhanced technologies have tangibly benefitted the average citizen of any empire. And yes I will give you a moralist argument - would you mind the rest of the cluster cannibalizing all of your organizations infrastructure for their own benefit? If you would, then you have no argument yourself to make. I find it horrifying how you can just brush aside straight up terrorizing entities and their infrastructure we hardly even know or understand, just because it benefits us.. And even this "us" is the 1% of the 1% - the capsuleer elite.
You can pretty much explain away anything with human nature, it is also in human nature to coexist in peace, to build and improve, to seek knowledge. Your view on humanity is rather bleak, I'd say.
It is indeed a strange universe and I concur, we must prepare for whatever is coming, be it good or bad. I believe that at one point we held the cards for tilting the scales for good rather than bad, these days, I am not so sure any more. |
Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
870
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Posted - 2016.11.13 22:24:30 -
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Well at any rate, regardless of who is to blame, I'll be there to defend if the Drifters do launch an invasion of k-space.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
703
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Posted - 2016.11.13 22:33:54 -
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I also have people I want to protect, of course. I just hate having my arm twisted when I didn't even attend the arm-wrestling convention. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
6698
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Posted - 2016.11.14 00:02:30 -
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The first requirement for diplomacy is a desire to communicate - there is absolutely no evidence that the Drifters / Sleepers have ever had that desire.
So we must prove to them that whatever it is they seek through 'diplomacy-by-other-means' it is not within their power to get it. That means hammering their faces flat with every weapon that we can bring to bear. This problem has been one that we've talking about for years now. When it was just Sleepers in their wormholes then I, for one, kept my nose out of it. Now that the game has changed into one of obliterating heads of state, I am very much involved.
I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Ashlar Maidstone
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
251
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Posted - 2016.11.14 02:05:46 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Hmmm.
Well, sounds like it's time for another check on the Hives to see how 'subtle' this change in behavior is.
Ms. Priano, I will be in touch by secure communications with you in regards to this matter. I am going to be conducting an investigation of this activity as soon as I can prepare a ship and crew for departure this week. Thank you.
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
870
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Posted - 2016.11.14 15:12:12 -
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Eh, screw it. Makoto, if you're looking for one more for an away team, I'll tag along. I'm actually curious about this stuff now that I did a bit of digging into the not-so-distant past.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
703
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Posted - 2016.11.14 16:12:50 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The first requirement for diplomacy is a desire to communicate - there is absolutely no evidence that the Drifters / Sleepers have ever had that desire.
So we must prove to them that whatever it is they seek through 'diplomacy-by-other-means' it is not within their power to get it. That means hammering their faces flat with every weapon that we can bring to bear. This problem has been one that we've talking about for years now. When it was just Sleepers in their wormholes then I, for one, kept my nose out of it. Now that the game has changed into one of obliterating heads of state, I am very much involved.
I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.
There is evidence, unless you want to disregard it. Let me make an argument here:
First the Circadian Seekers appeared. We didn't and still don't really know what they were and are doing - our best guess is that they were scanning our infrastructure, our ships, perhaps our people even. And they picked apart and studied the Jovian Observatories the same as us. To me this would imply that they were interested in us - we were an enigma to them as much as they are to us. And perhaps this desire to know more included a desire in communicating with us. Perhaps not. We don't know, but I'm not one to throw this option out. First and foremost they were after knowledge, nothing more, least of all our heads.
Then "we" started destroying these seekers. It is alien to us, therefore it must be a threat, right? Even then they didn't start attacking us right away, they let us destroy these "seeker" units for months.
To anyone with a shred of intelligence this should be obvious, that their "aggression" had been mostly reactionary. They didn't want us poking around the Observatories, we did anyway. They didn't want us poking around their technology and people, we did so anyway. For the longest time they left us alone so long we did not interfere with whatever they were doing.
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this thought, but it is no secret that the Amarr have spearheaded the research in to Sleeper and Drifter technology. Their assassination of the Amarr Empress was mostly a show of force, and secondly, reviewing their prior actions, who are we to say this too wasn't a reaction as well to some Amarrian aggression conducted in secret towards them? We simply cannot know for sure, but it would seem logical.
What we do know, that they have shown a capability of wielding vast armadas and obliterating our strongest vessels in the blink of an eye. Yet they have done this only once, likely as a warning. They could have obliterated CONCORD headquarters, but they did not. They could have destroyed everything we hold dear by now, but they have not. And it would do well to ask - why not? Is our aggression towards them actually warranted?
I suppose, like you said, these question should now be asked in past tense, because it does seem our theoretical relations with them are now soured to the point of most likely not recoverable. |
Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
871
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Posted - 2016.11.14 16:47:34 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.
Anoikis is not yours or anyone else's (but those who inhabit those systems) to cede, though I agree with your other points.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
703
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Posted - 2016.11.14 16:55:02 -
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Jason Galente wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.
Anoikis is not yours or anyone else's (but those who inhabit those systems) to cede, though I agree with your other points.
Clearly you were not there first, so you do not have a legitimate claim to anoikis either. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
351
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Posted - 2016.11.14 17:43:51 -
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Teinyhr wrote: What we do know, that they have shown a capability of wielding vast armadas and obliterating our strongest vessels in the blink of an eye. Yet they have done this only once, likely as a warning. They could have obliterated CONCORD headquarters, but they did not. They could have destroyed everything we hold dear by now, but they have not. And it would do well to ask - why not? Is our aggression towards them actually warranted?
On what basis you are making this statements? When did Drifters engaged CONCORD vessels in combat and why do you think they can destroy their headquarters.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1536
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Posted - 2016.11.14 17:52:10 -
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Wasn't there a span of time where they were attacking them along with empire forces on gates and such? Before their incursions and Jamyl. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that but I thought that was the case. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
705
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Posted - 2016.11.14 18:03:13 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Teinyhr wrote: What we do know, that they have shown a capability of wielding vast armadas and obliterating our strongest vessels in the blink of an eye. Yet they have done this only once, likely as a warning. They could have obliterated CONCORD headquarters, but they did not. They could have destroyed everything we hold dear by now, but they have not. And it would do well to ask - why not? Is our aggression towards them actually warranted?
On what basis you are making this statements? When did Drifters engaged CONCORD vessels in combat and why do you think they can destroy their headquarters.
On the same basis as our "Drifter experts" - pure guesswork, and it's less of a statement and more just my opinion. That's all we've got, as we have no idea of their actual military capabilities, their intentions or anything else really other than the widely popular assumptions of their ill intent.
They did interrupt the Drifter autopsy findings at Yulai, DED headquarters, and they just sat there disrupting the fluid router network - which could be considered the most passive aggressive way they could interfere. Then after capsuleers engaged them they started firing back. |
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