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Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate Together We Solo
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:33:40 -
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Inir Ishtori wrote:
Instead of letting your UI experts messing up perfectly fine interfaces, it would have been a really good idea to force them to create a better drone interface so we can actually have buttons for attack, return, orbit etc.
Thanks realizing they could have put those hours to fixing the damn drone interface everyone hates, instead of what they did to the character one that no one was complaining about until now, just made me sad.... |
xRazoRx
Disassembly workshop Out of Sight.
3
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:48:13 -
[452] - Quote
New aura. It's really bad.
First they came for the DCU, then they came for the jukebox and ingame browser... |
Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
76
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:05:48 -
[453] - Quote
Following my own advice I just canceled my subscription with reason "Aura voice"
Let's see what happens. |
Gogela
Heh...
3366
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:06:09 -
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Lothar Mandrake wrote:Gogela wrote:Keep the new Aura voice. Now that I have it I realize my old ship computers were just drunk for all of those years. The new voice is better. No A.I. in any science fiction series sounded like this new Aura. Dump the new speed talking **** and give us back strong and confident Aura. This isn't some other sci-fi. If my boosters are good enough for me they're good enough for everyone. Ain't nobody got time for old Aura's drawl...
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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xRazoRx
Disassembly workshop Out of Sight.
4
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:14:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Lothar Mandrake wrote:Gogela wrote:Keep the new Aura voice. Now that I have it I realize my old ship computers were just drunk for all of those years. The new voice is better. No A.I. in any science fiction series sounded like this new Aura. Dump the new speed talking **** and give us back strong and confident Aura. This isn't some other sci-fi. If my boosters are good enough for me they're good enough for everyone. Ain't nobody got time for old Aura's drawl... Why invoke sci-fi when there are perfect IRL examples like Rita and Bitching Betty? |
Kailiani
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:15:20 -
[456] - Quote
I didn't know much of anything about this patch except for the fact its going f2p with alpha/omega states.
So I've loaded up the client to play, ya know...?
Then I open my character sheet and I'm immediately off put, I look through it for a minute or two... and then I close it, not wanting to go through that mess.
I put that in the back of my mind, thinking 'No way CCP will keep that UI, I bet a lot of complaints are on the forum already'.
After that I un-dock and hear the new Aura voice. What a travesty! Aura to me was a major part of Eve, I'm sure it was for others also.
CCP, Aura does not need to be part of the tutorial. Make a new tutorial character or something. This shouldn't be a hard fix, you can even use the voice you already made for it.
Also, if there is not an apology from the DEV that simply said 'Nope' to another post... well I'm not sure if I'll be remaining even if everything else is addressed. That's simply not acceptable.
Locking everything in a single post like this is appalling as well, most of the threads in general are locked. Just let your player base say whats on their mind. Locking so much opinion and feedback just shows utter disrespect.
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Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
219
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:15:48 -
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Raw Matters wrote:Following my own advice I just canceled my subscription with reason "Aura voice"
Let's see what happens.
Short answer, Nothing
Long answer: CCP probably won't revert the voice due to the scope of the NPE changes. Aside from the fact she's alittle fast at times I've learned to deal with the change on SISI and now on TQ.
As much as we want to get this back, sorry folks its probably not gonna happen.
@dominousnolen
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Mister Ripley
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
247
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:16:06 -
[458] - Quote
Can anyone tell me how to enable the character portrait in the top area of the new character shiet, please? I just want to see how it looks... :/ |
Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
219
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:22:51 -
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Mister Ripley wrote:Can anyone tell me how to enable the character portrait in the top area of the new character shiet, please? I just want to see how it looks... :/
Question: Do you see the faction icons at the top and your racial space background? or do you have any arrows in the upper right just below the pin options?
I had the same thing on two of my accounts where the character image just won't show, only the background and icons. If you have this, log a bug for it.
@dominousnolen
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Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
353
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:24:47 -
[460] - Quote
Okay, after docking/undocking and warping a dozen of times to find out.... maybe ... maybe it's not that bad. Docking request accepted sounds fine to me. Also if I try to set the same location twice. Warp drive still upsets me but well... the human race has adapted to other things. Lets see how it feels in a week. |
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Erasmus Ronuken
Metacrania Vanguard of the Phoenix
0
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:25:48 -
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Great Deployment of Patch. However, Bring back Old Aura Voice Please.. that was the essence of EVE.
Also, Why can't I see my portrait on my Main account in the Character Sheet? That little arrow on the top right to expand is missing.
WHen can we expect the news ship gift?
Keep well. |
Calaeus Fira
New Eden's Best.
5
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:27:08 -
[462] - Quote
Dominous Nolen wrote:Long answer: CCP probably won't revert the voice due to the scope of the NPE changes. Aside from the fact she's alittle fast at times I've learned to deal with the change on SISI and now on TQ.
As much as we want to get this back, sorry folks its probably not gonna happen.
No amount of revolt on the forums will be probably sway their minds to be honest. There have been alot of changes over the years that haven't worked out as intended.
CCP has a great opportunity to earn additional $ if they at least introduce old Aura voice for real cash. Honestly, I would even pay 5-10$ for that. |
Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
219
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:27:09 -
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Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:*Snip!* *Snip!* The undocking of ponderous animation is still tagged to Dynamic Camera Movement. Considering the long delay then silence on fixing some lingering complaints on the New Camera, it might be a while before it's divorced from that checkmark toggle. Wasn't the other workaround involving zooming camera range?
There may have been someting, but why do we have to deal with a feature that isn't fully controlable and find a work around. The new camera went live at the start of the year if not earlier. How is it still not addressed.
The team is working on a lot, I get it. but at the point it feels like they are leaving stuff on the back burner and never going back to address player concerns.
@dominousnolen
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Balabhadra Das
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:27:18 -
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Here is the original thread about the "new" Aura voice.:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6711581
It was rudely commented on by the Dev then locked.
Unacceptable. |
xRazoRx
Disassembly workshop Out of Sight.
4
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:31:25 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote: The new camera went live at the start of the year if not earlier. How is it still not addressed. Oh god, that. Having to adjust FOV back to comfortable zone every_single_time can be considered an improvement only at CCP. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
483
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:34:01 -
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Rapala Armiron wrote:You added a warp tunnel. I learned to ignore it. You added a "new" map. I turned it off. You added a "new" scanner. I turned it off. You added a "new" camera. I turned it off. Then when you made it mandatory, I joined in the threadnought clamoring for a toggle. Upon introduction of that toggle I turned it off again.
I am not unique in the above actions. Most of the players I know have done the same. There is clearly something wrong, when you keep turning out products that the first reaction of your core users is "how do I disable this?"
Now you have added a new Character page. This character page is a significant reduction in the quality of life for the players. You have simply crammed too much needless crap into a single window. As a result you have hampered the ability of the players to use the page for its core purpose - managing the skill queue. The skill queue and the skill page need to be in separate resizeable windows - like they used to be - so they can be put side by side when worked with. There is simply way too much scrolling having to be done now because you cant fit enough of the queue on the small monitors that your players typically use - as opposed to those big dev monitors that you have in your offices. And, what is it with the font? It is so small as to be almost unreadable. Have you learned nothing from the complaints of the past? The tool tips also need to go. Having them pop up every time you hoover over something is annoying as fk since it masks everything below it - and no long playing vet needs the information in the tooltips. It is simply not good design to overload your players with a lot of bells, whistles, and flashy lights while simultaneously masking all of the important game features that are necessary to actually play the game.
TL/DR - either give me back the old character sheet and skill queue or split out the skill queue into a separate window and for the love of Bob - either significantly increase the size of the font or allow for the players to do so. "I am one of those". I always promote effectiveness over complexity and efficiency over 'design'/look. New is rarely better and more is often less. A true artist knows when to stop at a certain point and at realize when he is going to destroy/distort his art.
That said, I also see a tendency to hold players by the hand too much and screwing training wheels on every corner, there is a difference of guiding new players and carrying them, while force feeding older players. The option to explore the game and mechanics is pushed aside to explore fixed content, which is minimal in this game anyway. Players learn by exploring the game, most of all, they learn to learn, the information available is overwhelming and corrupts society.
And here is where I will drift into general observations. The age of technology has given rise to the information flood via access and diminished the ability to actually test and verify its authenticity because the selected information is in most cases is always biased from the beginning. Exploring, testing, coming up with a hypothesis, confirming and breaking it is pushed aside not not learned (programmed into the brain) if the push of a button or few keys will give you an answer. An answer, independent of validity and correctness; and trusted, because people lose (or never gained) the ability to distinguish good from bad information or true from false. in the end the fallacy of an 'argument from authority' gets enforced.
In short, let players figure out how to get around, don't hide information, but also don't push it on people. The most important thing you can learn is how to learn, gather information and evaluate them, forget the 'having knowledge' principle of society and bad schools.
Anyone who thinks he is getting an objective response to a search on the internet is delusional (unless for the first time from a new pc a fresh reinstall and new ip maybe). Every search is already biased from the get go, thanks to the engine and your hidden profile. You have to train yourself, your brain, to overcome the bias and training wheels of your environment, and what better way is there than play or games.
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Corporeal Universalis
The Scope Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:42:20 -
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Raw Matters wrote:Following my own advice I just canceled my subscription with reason "Aura voice"
Let's see what happens.
I just cancelled my subscription with reason "Aura voice changed." as I was forced to turn it off, and I am now missing on various messages.
EVE without Aura, is not EVE.
So if Aura doesn't come back, I will not either. |
Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
219
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:42:39 -
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Balabhadra Das wrote:General Lynch wrote:Be honest I don't think they will listen. Have a look at the attitude the devs have . Probably will be banned for this ha http://imgur.com/a/9Sra4 What.....?
Wow. He just straight up noped feedback? We're paying players, atleast take what we're saying under advise me please.
@dominousnolen
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Silen Talker
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:49:13 -
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Loving the new interface, explosions, character sheet, general info etc and all slickly delivered - result. Minor improvements - maybe have one of those minimise "V" arrows on each section of the char sheet (like is on the top section) most the time I don't care about the "My skills" section = more interested in what I have not yet got - ie the queue That's all - Thankyou.
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Calaeus Fira
New Eden's Best.
5
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:50:45 -
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That "Nope" just made me wonder if I trusted my money to the right people. It's not good for PR to give such answers to your customers. I mean, he could have said "We are sorry, but for reasons <...> we won't be bringing old Aura voice back. We are hoping that you will get used to the new one and enjoy our game." But they replied with "nope" instead. |
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Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
220
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:05:39 -
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Calaeus Fira wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:Long answer: CCP probably won't revert the voice due to the scope of the NPE changes. Aside from the fact she's alittle fast at times I've learned to deal with the change on SISI and now on TQ.
As much as we want to get this back, sorry folks its probably not gonna happen.
No amount of revolt on the forums will be probably sway their minds to be honest. There have been alot of changes over the years that haven't worked out as intended. CCP has a great opportunity to earn additional $ if they at least introduce old Aura voice for real cash. Honestly, I would even pay 5-10$ for that.
Unlike most of the folks on this thread I actually don't mind her, they just need to slow her down alittle.
I won't pay them for something that did not need a massive overhaul. It's bad enough that at times it feels like I'm a paying beta tester.
Don't get me wrong, I love this game, but at times the functionality changes that come down the pipe that aren't feature complete drive me batshit.
Things have been removed with out a replacement or minimal follow up;
@dominousnolen
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Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
220
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:08:53 -
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Calaeus Fira wrote:That "Nope" just made me wonder if I trusted my money to the right people. It's not good for PR to give such answers to your customers. I mean, he could have said "We are sorry, but for reasons <...> we won't be bringing old Aura voice back. We are hoping that you will get used to the new one and enjoy our game." But they replied with "nope" instead.
Nope - Not good at all.. I mean I get it, we can be straight up mean at times when something happens we don't like and as a result the dev team probably straight up doesn't like dealing with the player base online, however if the community manager pushes back that way when we have a legit argument to a change (albeit due to people not liking change) it does no one any favours and only gets the community more upset.
We can't make change in the game if our feedback isn't being listened too, at the end of the day we're all here to play a game and we want to see everyone happy...
Just my two cents.
@dominousnolen
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Calaeus Fira
New Eden's Best.
5
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:18:50 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote: Nope - Not good at all.. I mean I get it, we can be straight up mean at times when something happens we don't like and as a result the dev team probably straight up doesn't like dealing with the player base online, however if the community manager pushes back that way when we have a legit argument to a change (albeit due to people not liking change) it does no one any favours and only gets the community more upset.
We can't make change in the game if our feedback isn't being listened too, at the end of the day we're all here to play a game and we want to see everyone happy...
Just my two cents.
I myself am well acquainted with game industry and PR, so when I have seen this response I got the impression, that they either don't give a crap as long as they get money, or they just hired some newbies who have no idea about community management and PR. |
Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
220
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:30:12 -
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Calaeus Fira wrote:I myself am well acquainted with game industry and PR, so when I have seen this response I got the impression, that they either don't give a crap as long as they get money, or they just hired some newbies who have no idea about community management and PR.
Ya, I work in customer support myself and I talked to paying customers in a negative way I'd be immediately reprimanded or dismissed.
@dominousnolen
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Balabhadra Das
Viziam Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:33:26 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:Calaeus Fira wrote:I myself am well acquainted with game industry and PR, so when I have seen this response I got the impression, that they either don't give a crap as long as they get money, or they just hired some newbies who have no idea about community management and PR. Ya, I work in customer support myself and I talked to paying customers that way I'd be straight up reprimanded or dismissed.
I sent the Dev in question a mail.
If anyone else wants to take this further here is the profile of the Dev in question:
CCP Falcon
https://forums.eveonline.com/profile/CCP%20Falcon |
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
416
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:38:27 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:*Snip!* *Snip!* The undocking of ponderous animation is still tagged to Dynamic Camera Movement. Considering the long delay then silence on fixing some lingering complaints on the New Camera, it might be a while before it's divorced from that checkmark toggle. Wasn't the other workaround involving zooming camera range? There may have been someting, but why do we have to deal with a feature that isn't fully controlable and find a work around. The new camera went live at the start of the year if not earlier. How is it still not addressed. The team is working on a lot, I get it. but at the point it feels like they are leaving stuff on the back burner and never going back to address player concerns.
Stuff doesn't seem to be left on back burners then somewhat forgotten to finish. Stuff DOES get tossed to the side then ignored for the foreseeable future. Personalized tracking added to the new camera is just one of the things falling through the cracks. At this point I'm very convinced CCP has bought it's own hype. Alas, companies don't do well long term when their customer interaction devolves to HTFU, instead of keeping that just in the gameplay mentality.
What's ironic is how many outside Eve believe CCP offers above and beyond excellent customer interaction and service. Their bubble's on it's way to bursting if they continue to shut down any voice that doesn't agree with some Vision. Now there's F2P. So we don't have to automatically pay and 'reward' CCP's customer interactions and decisions.
Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.
'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.
Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.
Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P
No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
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Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
222
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:48:44 -
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Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:
What's ironic is how many outside Eve believe CCP offers above and beyond excellent customer interaction and service. Their bubble's on it's way to bursting if they continue to shut down any voice that doesn't agree with some Vision. Now there's F2P. So we don't have to automatically pay and 'reward' CCP's customer interactions and decisions.
Well I will say one thing about CCP as a collective whole, their dev team does have good interactions with the community via Twitch, discord and slack for the most part. There are obviously times where things aren't great and the community and players butt heads, but I'll honesty admit that I've got a few devs I would happily buy a beer if I went to fanfest again.
@dominousnolen
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Gabriel Mac Eoghain
Nexneo Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.11.16 20:18:19 -
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Calaeus Fira wrote:That "Nope" just made me wonder if I trusted my money to the right people. It's not good for PR to give such answers to your customers. I mean, he could have said "We are sorry, but for reasons <...> we won't be bringing old Aura voice back. We are hoping that you will get used to the new one and enjoy our game." But they replied with "nope" instead.
this |
Gabriel Mac Eoghain
Nexneo Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.11.16 20:23:59 -
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Calaeus Fira wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:Long answer: CCP probably won't revert the voice due to the scope of the NPE changes. Aside from the fact she's alittle fast at times I've learned to deal with the change on SISI and now on TQ.
As much as we want to get this back, sorry folks its probably not gonna happen.
No amount of revolt on the forums will be probably sway their minds to be honest. There have been alot of changes over the years that haven't worked out as intended. CCP has a great opportunity to earn additional $ if they at least introduce old Aura voice for real cash. Honestly, I would even pay 5-10$ for that.
Why should we pay for something they broke |
Eirene Jitacheck
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.11.16 20:24:48 -
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Another vote to bring back Aura.
At the very least, slow it down, take it down a bit in pitch, and add some reverb or something. |
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