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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7990
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Posted - 2016.11.22 00:43:12 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Twice as fast if I pay? Why am I not twice as fast as when I was paying on November 13? I assume if you were training anything on November 13th you did pay before November 15th, did you not? So nothing changed for you. You already trained twice as fast as Alphas do now, so it still holds true. If you really thought you'd be getting twice the training speed you had before for no reason beyond a sudden fit of entitlement, I'm sorry to say you are a bit of an idiot. But I trust you don't and just brought this up for the sake of argument. If you desparately want to complain about anything, complain that you trained "infinetly faster" than somebody who wouldn't pay for their account before Ascension (because they couldn't train at all, or play the game for that matter), and now you only train twice as fast. But that would be complaining about the whole f2p move, which would be fair, I suppose, but I don't really think will change anything. F2P is here to stay, and they have to train at *some* speed. The fact that you feel like you need to call me names tells me I am right and you are just trolling.
No it doesn't. Omega's train twice as fast as Alphas, and that's all there is to it. That's all there needs to be to it. Pretty simple, really. So simple, that I don't even think you're an idiot for not getting it. I think you're not getting it on purpose, just so you can throw a tantrum about something. That doesn't make you an idiot, it makes you an attention-seeking brat who probably needs a new pacifier.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4597
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Posted - 2016.11.22 01:59:29 -
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We're splitting hairs over marketing which is clearly aimed at new bloods? Really? I liked GD better when there were threadnaughts on just 'Grr Goons' or CCP hiring policies.
**Sugar Von MurdererTits-á**: Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
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Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1080
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Posted - 2016.11.22 02:25:12 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:The fact that you feel like you need to call me names tells me I am right and you are just trolling. Have you ever multiplied 2 by 0? 'Twice' as fast as before if you didn't pay is a misnomer in of itself. Are my sentences too long for you?
Otherwise you would have caught on to the fact that I said you used to train "twice as fast as Alphas do now". This will only have the proper meaning with all words taken into account, so it would be prudent to read and try to understand them all. They are not complicated words, and I am sure you can do it. You'd also have noticed that I would only take you for an idiot if you honestly expected to get double the training speed you got before for literally no reason at all instead of just making an argument. If you honestly expect that, though, I stand by what I said. Not because I feel the need to call you anything, but because I think it's true. |
Gee Shunziji
Shunz.Inc
8
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Posted - 2016.11.22 02:37:17 -
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A bunch of whiners trolling a bunch of haters.
This topic is wonderfully pointless.
'' Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, Fuck you .. ''
-Period
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Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1080
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Posted - 2016.11.22 02:46:12 -
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Gee Shunziji wrote:A bunch of whiners trolling a bunch of haters.
This topic is wonderfully pointless. Oh, but I disagree! They are wrong on the internet, and need to be shown the error of their ways. |
Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
112
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Posted - 2016.11.22 03:14:28 -
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Amanda Chelian wrote:Yup, it's the alphas that are running at half training speed. But "train skills at normal speed!" doesn't make for good marketing to get the Omega sub sold, hence the play with words.
Yeah, but saying Alpha is the new normal speed overnight is dumb. It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window and rather have something that says "training at half speed, subscribe now for full training speed" for Alpha. When Alpha clones subscribe, they will see the difference in days reduced on their training queues. That's all you need, no need to put 2x on the subscriber queue window. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45874
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Posted - 2016.11.22 03:22:07 -
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Conrad Makbure wrote:It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window... Better for who?
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2009
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Posted - 2016.11.22 03:26:06 -
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Conrad Makbure wrote:Amanda Chelian wrote:Yup, it's the alphas that are running at half training speed. But "train skills at normal speed!" doesn't make for good marketing to get the Omega sub sold, hence the play with words. Yeah, but saying Alpha is the new normal speed overnight is dumb. It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window and rather have something that says "training at half speed, subscribe now for full training speed" for Alpha. When Alpha clones subscribe, they will see the difference in days reduced on their training queues. That's all you need, no need to put 2x on the subscriber queue window. that makes sense if you ignore who you're marketing to on a few levels. 1) It marks the new alpha accounts that you're doing your best to welcome as substandard with "half speed training" 2) It makes what we consider normal training a players prior to alphas seem more special than just "normal" 3) And since this is all marketed at showing alphas what they have to gain by paying as opposed to showing existing paying customers what they already have when it should be pretty obvious there is really no gain in doing it that way.
Well, no gain except maybe this thread not existing.
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Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
112
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Posted - 2016.11.22 03:26:16 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Conrad Makbure wrote:It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window... Better for who?
Everyone. Omegas are training at normal speed. |
Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
112
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Posted - 2016.11.22 03:31:35 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Conrad Makbure wrote:Amanda Chelian wrote:Yup, it's the alphas that are running at half training speed. But "train skills at normal speed!" doesn't make for good marketing to get the Omega sub sold, hence the play with words. Yeah, but saying Alpha is the new normal speed overnight is dumb. It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window and rather have something that says "training at half speed, subscribe now for full training speed" for Alpha. When Alpha clones subscribe, they will see the difference in days reduced on their training queues. That's all you need, no need to put 2x on the subscriber queue window. That makes sense if you ignore who you're marketing to on a few levels. 1) It marks the new alpha accounts that you're doing your best to welcome as substandard with "half speed training" 2) It makes what we consider normal training a players prior to alphas seem more special than just "normal" 3) And since this is all marketed at showing alphas what they have to gain by paying as opposed to showing existing paying customers what they already have when it should be pretty obvious there is really no gain in doing it that way. Well, no gain except maybe this thread not existing.
This is one of the dumbest marketing angles. "We're going to say that normal speed is now 2x speed and half training speed is now the new normal speed." That just sounds stupid and that's exactly what this change is, I don't care who it's marketed to. |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2009
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Posted - 2016.11.22 03:35:01 -
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Conrad Makbure wrote:This is one of the dumbest marketing angles. "We're going to say that normal speed is now 2x speed and half training speed is now the new normal speed." That just sounds stupid and that's exactly what this change is, I don't care who it's marketed to. I'm going to guess you don't have a job in marketing as you think it's "dumb" to appeal to your potential customers and try to convince them to give you money by talking up your product.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7992
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Posted - 2016.11.22 04:01:41 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:We're splitting hairs over marketing which is clearly aimed at new bloods? Really? I liked GD better when there were threadnaughts on just 'Grr Goons' or CCP hiring policies.
I miss the "EVE is dying" posts. Wanna start a new one?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2016.11.22 05:06:09 -
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Would have been far better to just have a "Training at half speed" on alpha accounts. Omega players don't need lip service on their accounts, which for the majority of us, makes no sense.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7992
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Posted - 2016.11.22 05:34:35 -
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Haulin Aussie wrote:Would have been far better to just have a "Training at half speed" on alpha accounts. Omega players don't need lip service on their accounts, which for the majority of us, makes no sense.
It made enough sense for you to figure out it means alphas train at half the speed omegas do. Quit your whining, it's so un-aussie.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
118
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Posted - 2016.11.22 06:57:32 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:We're splitting hairs over marketing which is clearly aimed at new bloods? Really? I liked GD better when there were threadnaughts on just 'Grr Goons' or CCP hiring policies. If its aimed at new bloods that why was it crammed down my throat upon logging in? If it didn't apply to me why did CCP force message me about it? Never mind the fact I have never been an alpha. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
525
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Posted - 2016.11.22 11:09:29 -
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000Hunter000 wrote:Apparently i seem to have missed the part in the patchnotes which states u can't login an Omega and an Alpha at the same time, so it's all pointless anyways So i paid for two accounts for years and years, now i want to activate my 2nd acount once more, but EVE won't let me? LMFAO!!! This entire F2P thing is completely useless.
what gives you the idea that it's for you (or us)?!
it's to attract newbros...
Just Add Water
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4599
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Posted - 2016.11.22 13:16:15 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:We're splitting hairs over marketing which is clearly aimed at new bloods? Really? I liked GD better when there were threadnaughts on just 'Grr Goons' or CCP hiring policies. If its aimed at new bloods that why was it crammed down my throat upon logging in? If it didn't apply to me why did CCP force message me about it? Never mind the fact I have never been an alpha. "...force message"
You also think that people "force" miners into tanking their 100% yield mining barges, correct?
e: Never seen an alpha before? Well, it doesn't mean they aren't there.
**Sugar Von MurdererTits-á**: Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1947
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Posted - 2016.11.22 13:27:26 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Conrad Makbure wrote:This is one of the dumbest marketing angles. "We're going to say that normal speed is now 2x speed and half training speed is now the new normal speed." That just sounds stupid and that's exactly what this change is, I don't care who it's marketed to. I'm going to guess you don't have a job in marketing as you think it's "dumb" to appeal to your potential customers and try to convince them to give you money by talking up your product. That's clearly what this is and if you could actually look at this from the view of someone who makes their livelihood off of this game rather than needing your position normalized for what's really no good reason in the face of a major change you'd see it's not a big deal. For some reason i feel that this marketing is not targeting people who 'on his 30x and mainly in IT sphere'.....
but yeah.... we need new players....
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1947
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Posted - 2016.11.22 13:30:12 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:We're splitting hairs over marketing which is clearly aimed at new bloods? Really? I liked GD better when there were threadnaughts on just 'Grr Goons' or CCP hiring policies. If its aimed at new bloods that why was it crammed down my throat upon logging in? If it didn't apply to me why did CCP force message me about it? Never mind the fact I have never been an alpha. "...force message" You also think that people "force" miners into tanking their 100% yield mining barges, correct? Try harder kid. He was talking about Omegas having signs targeting Alphas all over the client.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
2977
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:06:53 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:We're splitting hairs over marketing which is clearly aimed at new bloods? Really? I liked GD better when there were threadnaughts on just 'Grr Goons' or CCP hiring policies. If its aimed at new bloods that why was it crammed down my throat upon logging in? If it didn't apply to me why did CCP force message me about it? Never mind the fact I have never been an alpha. "...force message" You also think that people "force" miners into tanking their 100% yield mining barges, correct? Try harder kid. He was talking about Omegas having signs targeting Alphas all over the client.
Never had beer ads on TV while you were not of legal age to purchase it? It's generic. Not every single ads you see in the whole world 100% of the time is directed at you. |
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
2977
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:13:53 -
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Conrad Makbure wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Conrad Makbure wrote:Amanda Chelian wrote:Yup, it's the alphas that are running at half training speed. But "train skills at normal speed!" doesn't make for good marketing to get the Omega sub sold, hence the play with words. Yeah, but saying Alpha is the new normal speed overnight is dumb. It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window and rather have something that says "training at half speed, subscribe now for full training speed" for Alpha. When Alpha clones subscribe, they will see the difference in days reduced on their training queues. That's all you need, no need to put 2x on the subscriber queue window. That makes sense if you ignore who you're marketing to on a few levels. 1) It marks the new alpha accounts that you're doing your best to welcome as substandard with "half speed training" 2) It makes what we consider normal training a players prior to alphas seem more special than just "normal" 3) And since this is all marketed at showing alphas what they have to gain by paying as opposed to showing existing paying customers what they already have when it should be pretty obvious there is really no gain in doing it that way. Well, no gain except maybe this thread not existing. This is one of the dumbest marketing angles. "We're going to say that normal speed is now 2x speed and half training speed is now the new normal speed." That just sounds stupid and that's exactly what this change is, I don't care who it's marketed to.
That's not what they say. The ad is targeted at alphas who currently train at a reduced rate compared to Omegas. If those account holder decide to subscribe, their training rate will double. This ad was NEVER targeted at any current Omega account holder. Any alpha account holder will see the ad and think it make sense because what is advertised is exactly what they will get. For the entire duration of their alpha state existence, account train at the reduced rate. Paying a subscription on those alpha turn them into Omega which, among other things, double the rate at which they accumulate SP. If you look at the ad from the wrong point of view, you will of course see the wrong message. It's like cell phones provider advertising specials for new customers and you as an existing one think the wording is wrong because you already get what they are offering. |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
2977
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:16:29 -
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Conrad Makbure wrote:Amanda Chelian wrote:Yup, it's the alphas that are running at half training speed. But "train skills at normal speed!" doesn't make for good marketing to get the Omega sub sold, hence the play with words. Yeah, but saying Alpha is the new normal speed overnight is dumb. It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window and rather have something that says "training at half speed, subscribe now for full training speed" for Alpha. When Alpha clones subscribe, they will see the difference in days reduced on their training queues. That's all you need, no need to put 2x on the subscriber queue window.
Alpha speed is normal for alpha account. Your Omega account is completely untouched AND also of course unavailable for what is advertised since you are already paying a subscription. You can't double sub your account after all. |
Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated
8
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Posted - 2016.11.22 16:15:22 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Training at two times the speed of an Alpha, which means that an Alpha trains at half the speed of an Omega.
lol so nothing beyond what we've already had |
Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1081
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Posted - 2016.11.22 16:26:28 -
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Suroh Kurvora wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Training at two times the speed of an Alpha, which means that an Alpha trains at half the speed of an Omega. lol so nothing beyond what we've already had That is correct. Doesn't say that anywhere either, does it? |
Kara Hawke
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.11.22 16:50:58 -
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The wording is deceiving. When I logged on my Omega the day of the patch I was confused because it said I was training my skills at x2 speed. To artificially change Alpha speed to the new norm overnight - It isn't false advertising... but it is bad wording. To a new player it sounds like training as an alpha is the same it's always been and upgrading to Omega is twice as fast. It does sound better this way because they don't realize that it's just another paywall that puts them at a disadvantage to a Omega state. Honestly I don't think they should have advertised this as f2p. I understand that EVE's economy relies on the subscription method, But playing around on an alpha is literally covered in the Omega symbol on nearly everything, even basic skills. I've also seen several new players asking what it is that they can actually do as an Alpha, the f2p has attracted allot of people, but most wont stick around. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2701
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Posted - 2016.11.22 16:58:32 -
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Kara Hawke wrote: I've also seen several new players asking what it is that they can actually do as an Alpha
Do you tell them they can kill a Pandemic Legion Apostle?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated
8
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Posted - 2016.11.22 17:18:28 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Suroh Kurvora wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Training at two times the speed of an Alpha, which means that an Alpha trains at half the speed of an Omega. lol so nothing beyond what we've already had That is correct. Doesn't say that anywhere either, does it?
No, it doesn't say that anywhere, I was honestly under the impression our times would've increased and alphas would've gotten what ours are but naturally, I was wrong haha. |
Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1082
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Posted - 2016.11.22 17:47:40 -
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Kara Hawke wrote:I've also seen several new players asking what it is that they can actually do as an Alpha, the f2p has attracted allot of people, but most wont stick around. That has always been the same for most newbies, though. Alphas can do about anything in Eve, and most new players will not even get as far as to hit the limitations of what an Alpha character can do. It is very difficult to figure out what to do in Eve, and the obvious, in your face choices (mining, mission running) are boring as all hell.
Eve is a game you need to stick with and get involved with its community. Most players don't have the patience to even really start playing Eve, no matter how much time they get to try it out. I would go out on a limb and say that most new players didn't even have the endurance to finish the trial when it was still 14/21 days. So, it's only a few newbies that will stick around beyond that as Alpha Clone players as well.
There is a lot of fun to be had in Faction Warfare, Wormholes, Incursions, Nullsec and many other facets of the game, and Alphas can participate in all of them. But in order to get to those, one needs to get familiar with the game mechanics and make some friends to play with, and both of these things take more time than many players are willing to spend.
Suroh Kurvora wrote:I'd like to point out that is in fact yet another reason which helps prove my point that this new so-called free to play model is nothing more than an indefinite trial "mode". CCP will invariably re-work this model despite their fervent claims that everything is working well and fine. Of course they will iterate on it. CCP always claim that everything is completely fine and working as intended, and it usually takes them a few months or even years to catch on to the fact that it's really not. However, I sure hope they don't end up with a standard run-off-the-mill F2P system. If you allow players "almost" full access to the game without major limitations, they will have no reason to sub, and if they don't sub, CCP doesn't make any money. So they'd have to add items to the NES that actually affect gameplay, to entice players to spend money there, and that is something I deeply resent. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4614
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Posted - 2016.11.23 13:29:29 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:We're splitting hairs over marketing which is clearly aimed at new bloods? Really? I liked GD better when there were threadnaughts on just 'Grr Goons' or CCP hiring policies. If its aimed at new bloods that why was it crammed down my throat upon logging in? If it didn't apply to me why did CCP force message me about it? Never mind the fact I have never been an alpha. "...force message" You also think that people "force" miners into tanking their 100% yield mining barges, correct? Try harder kid. He was talking about Omegas having signs targeting Alphas all over the client.
Uncle bob, you forgot your meds again. If he's that sensitive to ads, maybe he should just not play Eve? I mean, there are things that are far more... intimately obtrusive than ads in the game.
**Sugar Von MurdererTits-á**: Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2016.11.23 14:27:56 -
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Get 2x more fries for just 2x more money!
Start your EVE experience with 250.000 extra skill points!
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