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Alexis Red
Red Corporation
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Posted - 2016.11.17 05:01:52 -
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For me, a part time PVE player... I can't see any reason at this point to ever pay for this game again, unless they seriously change the game and actually make a PVE server..
Otherwise, I really think it's the first of many final nails until it's the fat lady singing good night. |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2016.11.17 05:52:39 -
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Alexis Red wrote:For me, a part time PVE player... I can't see any reason at this point to ever pay for this game again, unless they seriously change the game and actually make a PVE server..
Otherwise, I really think it's the first of many final nails until it's the fat lady singing good night.
Next ones will be explorers...unless CCP revamp site spawn time I think in about two months all paying players doing exploration as their main isk/fun source will quit because they will find no sites anymore.
I personally imagined it and turned my isk source on PI but from the moment players were doing trials that would be converted into alphas the numbers of relic/data sites aroud was drastically reduced...
...maybe it was only me unlucky but I have doubts... |
Herbert G Wells
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2016.11.17 06:41:21 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I feel for you.
I cannot afford the new Mercedes I want, so they should just give me one for free so long as I stay within 50 miles of my home town.
I wish that every one who wishes to play Eve could afford the sub, but that just ain't the way the world works.
I see reading comprehension is still not a requirement to post on here, so not everything has changed. I'm not entirely sure how you equate a $35,000 luxury car with a computer game, but I guess when you talk of your ass there probably isn't much room for original thought.
My point was that for those people who are a little more careful with their money, getting them to invest long term in a game can be problematic. Having the Alpha system in place allows them to try before they buy, just like in the good old days of demo's. As for my lack of funds, I moved to a different country, bought a house, got married, and started a new business, so money is still a little tight at the moment. I mean, you could have asked, but I guess making an effort is painful for you. |
Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3694
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Posted - 2016.11.17 08:06:01 -
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gatecamping is protecting our space, why would we let our enemies get vital warchest stock into our systems where we have our expensive toys?
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.11.17 08:39:24 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what?
You can't quit anymore.. Haha
But... you mean I can't do my annual rage quit? I hadn't thought of it like that.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1254
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Posted - 2016.11.17 08:53:20 -
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Herbert G Wells wrote:...but I guess when you talk of your ass there probably isn't much room for original thought. You seem to be an expert, so I'll take this as a credible claim.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Caiyley
Shadow Tek Industries
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Posted - 2016.11.17 11:13:24 -
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This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it. |
Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2016.11.17 11:18:46 -
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Caiyley wrote:This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it.
pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it?
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Caiyley
Shadow Tek Industries
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Posted - 2016.11.17 11:21:36 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Caiyley wrote:This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it. pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it?
I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19097
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Posted - 2016.11.17 11:26:55 -
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Caiyley wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Caiyley wrote:This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it. pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it? I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs. all of the derpy ass new pilots would seem to disagree with that statement
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2016.11.17 11:26:56 -
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Caiyley wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Caiyley wrote:This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it. pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it? I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs.
why not? because they cant fly things like vindicators and nyx's? or because you cant have a free cyno or cloaky alt?, ccp has to tread carefully with f2p as people are smart and will find ways to exploit it
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Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:12:04 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Suroh Kurvora wrote:The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.
All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.
GG Eve has always had gate camps and greifing. If players are turned off by it, they wouldnt have lasted very long either way. Only the players who rise up and work to better themselves have always endured in EVE online. This doesnt change whether free to play or pay to play. People have bought subscriptions and threatened to cancel their accounts because of greifing.
That's sort of my point and then when you realize rolling t1s just isn't enough they're going to say why even bother? |
Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated
5
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:17:54 -
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Lan Wang wrote:gatecamping is protecting our space, why would we let our enemies get vital warchest stock into our systems where we have our expensive toys?
Don't think for a second that I disagree with you because I don't ;)
I'm simply stating that there are a lot of draw backs to this free to play model I used the gate camping as an example because I knew it would spark a conversation, one of the things I was getting at was this.
Do you really think these new people are going to roll up on a gate camp with a **** load of t1 cruisers to get payback? No, they aren't they're going to look at it as " Well I can't use any useful ships so why bother?" or at least I would think that at least half of them would feel that way because they're new and don't know any beter.
I would also then agree with the people that would say " Well then they don't belong here anyway" but at the same time I see this as an opportunity to say to ccp, if you're going to do something at least do it right and perhaps give them a little more freedom in regards to ships they can train.
I mean really... They can't even train cross faction lol.. |
Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated
5
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:25:18 -
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Maekchu wrote:Voxinian wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:Voxinian wrote:Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules.
And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction. The point is to give a taste of the game, but still give people a reason to subscribe. So CCP can still make money off this change. It's not smart if thats the reason. If the new player pick a faction (like I did 7 years ago) then they usually have no idea if that faction is what they really want to be in EvE. In my first days of EVE I started as Amarr and like a week later I came to the conclusion that I wanted to fly missle boats instead. With alpha clones the players are locked out of experimenting with other T1 ships of other factions, thus limiting their starting experience more than the original trail setup. Then they can just create a new char or account. It's free after all. People can just create 4 accounts for each race, if you really don't know which to pick. But honestly, the race doesn't matter too much, aside from solo/small gank PvP. All races have decent PvE ships and in bigger fleets, your single Alpha account ship won't have much of an influence. Allowing all racial ships to be trained, would mean you would have to increased the SP limit, which in turn decrease the incentive to sub. The system is fine as it is.
You proved via your comment that it's not, and to clarify I'm speaking specifically about this
Quote: All races have decent PvE ships and in bigger fleets, your single Alpha account ship won't have much of an influence.
That applies to solo PvP and Pve as well, how far can they possibly get ratting in a t1 cruiser? This won't be an incentive to sub it's going to be a deterrent, someone in game made a great point she said to me
" This isn't a free to play model, it's a re-bandaged trial account with no expiration" and she was 100 % right! |
Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2559
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:17:27 -
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Suroh Kurvora wrote:The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.
All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.
GG
I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor.
I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
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mkint
1229
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:43:59 -
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My counter response to this entire thread is that after this launched, I collected 100 mil isk of ore scattered around from an old buy order. Some of it was in a lowsec/nullsec choke point. There was a total of 1 other person in local in lowsec. So yeah, running from lowsec to a major trade hub in a cheap untanked hauler with 100 mil isk cargo, with absolutely nothing interesting happening. I was honestly a little disappointed.
Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
459
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:44:43 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:
Eve has always had gate camps and greifing. If players are turned off by it, they wouldnt have lasted very long either way. Only the players who rise up and work to better themselves have always endured in EVE online.
Or rise up and debases themselves... That works too, right?
--Gadget waves to CODE. with a grin
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Imperator Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse
132
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Posted - 2016.11.17 15:12:50 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Voxinian wrote:Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work.
Your are goon muppet.
I use to run Somali Boot Camp for new players which was a training corp for my Somali Coast Guard Authority wardec corp. And we had swarms of t1 guys led by an FC attack people in T3 and Battleships while they were in t1 fitted frigates and cruisers and coming out on top. Yes the guys lost and I replaced those losses but just because you suck does not mean by default an Alpha will suck as well.
As for the OP... I am back... See you soon.
Cannibal Kane was my Test Character.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
459
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Posted - 2016.11.17 15:29:28 -
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"Quantity has a quality all its own."
Attributed to nearly every world and military leader of the late 19th and early 20th centuries of semi-mythical Old Earth.
--Historian Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Othran
Route One
738
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Posted - 2016.11.17 15:37:36 -
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Its an unlimited trial account, simple as that.
Marketing can't be having that however so its F2P.
I think CCP will probably up their "trial conversion rate" by a couple of percent but its not going to set the world on fire. |
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Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated
5
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Posted - 2016.11.17 16:44:01 -
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Mortlake wrote:Suroh Kurvora wrote:The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.
All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.
GG I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor.
I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it.
This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings) |
Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated
5
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Posted - 2016.11.17 16:45:32 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:"Quantity has a quality all its own."
Attributed to nearly every world and military leader of the late 19th and early 20th centuries of semi-mythical Old Earth.
--Historian Gadget
I agree but how many new people will understand that? |
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.11.17 17:25:04 -
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"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
459
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Posted - 2016.11.17 17:32:24 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"
www.monster.com/Jobs/Search
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Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
188
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Posted - 2016.11.17 17:36:14 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"
You could always scam :D |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
188
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Posted - 2016.11.17 17:38:50 -
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Suroh Kurvora wrote:Mortlake wrote:Suroh Kurvora wrote:The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.
All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.
GG I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor. I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it. This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings) I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that? Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens? I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal. They're a company, they need to make money. Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment... It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model. Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do.
This whole post is incoherent. What's the point you're trying to get at? Please be specific. |
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.11.17 17:47:53 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" www.monster.com/Jobs/Search--Helpful Gadget
Is EvE Pay-to-Win then???
But Tippia said it wasn't :(((
Galaxy Duck wrote:Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" You could always scam :D
:DDD
I love being antisocial in social games! especially when there are no consequences! |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
192
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Posted - 2016.11.17 18:38:35 -
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High five! o/\o |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
781
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Posted - 2016.11.17 18:53:31 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"
Assuming you play 10 hours/week (which is probably low for most people) that's $1.13/hr to play those three accounts.
Find me another form of entertainment cheaper than that. I mean, I'll easily pay $40 to play golf for three hours, or $10 to see a movie for two hours. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1060
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Posted - 2016.11.17 18:55:32 -
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Suroh Kurvora wrote:I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal. But it really isn't. It's only pointless for people who wouldn't like the game either way. Alpha clone, Omega clone, 1M SP or 100M SP - players of all skill and experience levels have been ganked before, or scammed or found themselves in a really unfair situation that they had no way of winning by no fault of their own. And if a player cannot handle that, no matter if Alpha or Omega, Veteran or Newbie, they have a fundamental problem with the game itself. And if they don't like the game as a whole, no way of accessing it, no payment model and no NPE will ever be able to fix that.
Players need a certain level of patience and resistance to frustration to enjoy Eve. Some players only notice that very late in the game, which is unfortunate, but often entertaining. With the new Alpha clone state, at least they don't have to sink any money into the game to get to that point (although I am sure many will, because paying means winning, right?). |
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