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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.21 03:01:04 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: if content dries up for the vets, the community will too, and nothing is more important for this game than the player community. For any other game, it doesn't matter so much. For this one though...
I've seen too many good vets bail because of any number of CCP's changes that have been little more than bandaids on a gushing wound, bleeding players at an uncomfortable rate. I've had friends leave because of some of CCP's **** decisions,
What exactly do you mean by "content" and CCP's decisions? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7966
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Posted - 2016.11.21 03:11:07 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: if content dries up for the vets, the community will too, and nothing is more important for this game than the player community. For any other game, it doesn't matter so much. For this one though...
I've seen too many good vets bail because of any number of CCP's changes that have been little more than bandaids on a gushing wound, bleeding players at an uncomfortable rate. I've had friends leave because of some of CCP's **** decisions, What exactly do you mean by "content" and CCP's decisions?
I mean exactly what I said, with issues being addressed when they came up. I'm not going to make a detailed list here, the point of my post is that player numbers went down due to poor player retention, not because no new people were joining. I and other friends were recruiting new people every day during our stint in Khanid back in 2014-15, and then we'd watch them leave not because of gate camps, or because they got ganked, but because of a wide variety of reasons associated both with and not with the game itself. We watched the vets leave too, because of bad decisions by CCP, like removing watchlists without balancing the extremely altered power dynamic that resulted. That's just one example, but again, I'm not going to make a list, the point remains that retention is the problem, not attraction of new players. Making the game free will attract new players. It won't necessarily encourage retention. In fact, the only way to encourage retention now is to give those new people a reason to subscribe.
Retention is also the core of the player community. As I explained, the more and the longer people stick around, the more people you have time to get to know, and establish a community with. If turnover is too high, people don't get to know each other, and no community develops. This is what makes retention much more important for a game like EVE Online (with social dynamics at the very heart of what makes the game successful) than any other. Let's face it, you can't PUG sov. And without established villains to rail against, what's left?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2016.11.21 04:58:21 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: I'm sure it makes you, personally, feel better about yourself to belittle other people who play this game in a way that makes you upset, to make them less than human in your own mind, but you aren't fooling anyone that matters with your armchair psychoanalyses of the playerbase. We don't care what you call us, we're gonna keep ganking, and gatecamping, and doing all those other things you don't like regardless of your vitriol.
Isn't your inability to describe what exactly CCP did wrong regarding player retention, that led to "content drying up" and vets being butthurt, tied to your underlying and pretty much incouscious shame of being an online sociopath? That would be pretty congruent with you being triggered that I describe griefers thus.
Hyperdunking, bumping content... gone! Is that the content you were referring to?
My dude, just like Ultima Online was trammelized because a certain subgroup of griefing tryhards abused mechanics, so is New Eden being normalized so you and your friends cannot cheese tears out of random gamers.
Well normalized, not really... just being patched out of aberrations that were exploited endlessly |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7968
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Posted - 2016.11.21 05:15:46 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: I'm sure it makes you, personally, feel better about yourself to belittle other people who play this game in a way that makes you upset, to make them less than human in your own mind, but you aren't fooling anyone that matters with your armchair psychoanalyses of the playerbase. We don't care what you call us, we're gonna keep ganking, and gatecamping, and doing all those other things you don't like regardless of your vitriol.
Isn't your inability to describe what exactly CCP did wrong regarding player retention, that led to "content drying up" and vets being butthurt, tied to your underlying and pretty much incouscious shame of being an online sociopath? That would be pretty congruent with you being triggered that I describe griefers thus. Hyperdunking, bumping content... gone! Is that the content you were referring to? My dude, just like Ultima Online was trammelized because a certain subgroup of griefing tryhards abused mechanics, so is New Eden being normalized so you and your friends cannot cheese tears out of random gamers. Well normalized, not really... just being patched out of aberrations that were exploited endlessly
And there you go with that useless armchair psychology again. You're wrong on every count, and as long as you continue to approach this and my point from an intentionally adversarial perspective, you will continue to be wrong. You're wrong about your ability to psychoanalyse people over the internet, you have no idea who my friends are, you're wrong about your assumption of what 'content' I'm referring to, and you seem to be completely inept at approaching this issue from a non-partisan standpoint, while I'm coming at it with no agenda except what's best for the game as a whole, not one particular group in it. Please get that through your tiny little skull before you accidentally strawman my positions again, thank you.
I'm also going to report you every time you call someone 'sociopath' or any other pejorative, because you are not qualified to make an accurate psychological assessment of people, so the only way you can be using it is as a pejorative. If you can't be mature and have an adult discussion, then you aren't welcome at the adult table.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3717
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Posted - 2016.11.21 06:43:46 -
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Suroh Kurvora wrote: That applies to solo PvP and Pve as well, how far can they possibly get ratting in a t1 cruiser?
T1 cruiser gangs can do Lvl 4's and even some lvl 5's. I know because I've done that. Now I probably had more support skills than an alpha clone had as did the others in the fleet, but they still will be fine with Lvl 4's. 2 T1 Logi cruisers, 3+ DPS. Watch the targets die horrible deaths while the logi rep away.
So yeah.... They can get a very long way indeed. Just have to actually work with others, not 'solo' |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3150
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Posted - 2016.11.21 08:20:17 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity.
You mean like forum alts?
I am not sure why anyone would still "grief" you, since you already try to drown us with your tears.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3718
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Posted - 2016.11.21 09:28:12 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity..
Average number of accounts is about 1.5 per player (From a Twitter guess the number fun thing from the CCP stats department) This means based on last financial report there are somewhere in the rough region of 250,000 players subscribed to EVE, and goodness knows how many more alpha's playing now. Your numbers might need a slight look at.... |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
787
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Posted - 2016.11.21 15:31:50 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:Remiel, you have a history of being not the quite sharpest tool in the box (euphemism), but let's try again:
You pretend that it's not cool that CCP drives away content creators (normal people call them griefers), that it hurts the game and prevents newbies from enjoying it.
Therefore, the "buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets"
Now, as for the "bring back Erotica1", it should be self-evident, as your kind enjoys nothing more than a good griefing! bonus points if it's completely meta and humiliates the mark thoroughly.
Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity.
Therefore, yes, breaking news! random tryhard gatecamping is one of the reasons people quit the game. It falls under the umbrella of "griefing", which is coddled by CCP as it sells accounts.
I hope you do enjoy the present Jeb! Surge in logged accounts, it might not last long.
Again, griefing is against the TOS. If you see someone griefing in game, please file a support ticket. I suggest you read this and become familiar. https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/
If you need help reading it to understand what griefing is, shoot me a message in game and I can try to help you understand. |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
196
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Posted - 2016.11.21 18:38:32 -
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"Tryhard"
I've noticed this term seems to be exclusively used by the chronically butthurt. |
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
3850
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Posted - 2016.11.21 18:44:26 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Voxinian wrote:Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work.
TII ammo is nice but you can live without it perfectly fine.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1148
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Posted - 2016.11.21 18:48:26 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what?
You can't quit anymore.. Haha
You can still biomass. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5663
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Posted - 2017.01.04 04:57:07 -
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tiberiusric wrote:Ccp was warned about they chose to ignore it. All thr alphas are not new playera just vets creatings lots of free alts and use to bump numbers and camp.gates etc. Real bad move imo was alphas
Yeah because by bumping numbers I get....uhhh...hmmm...oh yeah, nothing.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5663
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Posted - 2017.01.04 05:00:25 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Whoa. You sound mad.
Very mad.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5663
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Posted - 2017.01.04 05:03:33 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity..
Average number of accounts is about 1.5 per player (From a Twitter guess the number fun thing from the CCP stats department) This means based on last financial report there are somewhere in the rough region of 250,000 players subscribed to EVE, and goodness knows how many more alpha's playing now. Your numbers might need a slight look at....
I don't think Zoubidah will be swayed by facts, logic, or anything really. Just a truly pathetic troll.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5663
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Posted - 2017.01.04 05:10:01 -
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Suroh Kurvora wrote:The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.
All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.
GG
Yeah...no.
The only people who have looked at this in any meaningful way--i.e. with data--is CCP and t he results of that analysis says, "No, just the opposite."
That is why one does empirical work, to make sure that one's intuition does not lead on astray.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Jotunspor
Aion 514
32
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Posted - 2017.01.04 06:43:27 -
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Why was this thread resurrected? At least start a new one. FFS. |
Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3148
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Posted - 2017.01.04 06:57:52 -
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Hm. Well, this has been an interesting read at least. Anything that gets this many peeps flinging muck this savagely generally tends to be worthy of attention. I think I may have to start an alpha account and test some thingy bits out. I keep hearing about how bad they are, yet I have a strange feeling that I could squeeze some decent isk and shiny kills out of a t1 Incursus pilot.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
415
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Posted - 2017.01.04 07:25:30 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:When a blob of tech 1 fitted players blow up your souped up tech 2 boat you might change your mind.
Couple of days ago someone was talking in local about a gate camp in the neighboring system. I told them all to jump into rookie ships and fit them with scrams and zerg rush them. I don't think they did but it would have been funny.
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.01.04 19:59:16 -
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Gotta agree with the OP. EVE is a skill devoid joke that caters to grief monkeys. |
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