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Nina Hayes
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.17 02:11:36 -
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Eh, never mind.... |
Memphis Baas
2259
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Posted - 2016.11.17 02:15:44 -
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Bozze wrote:And I would still like to hear it from the Devs though... ISD Max Trix wrote:You may only have 1 Alpha account logged in at a time. This is meant to keep the game in balance.
You heard from ISD. Forum Moderators. You can trust them; they will only reply with the official CCP response.
Devs won't reply to you, because they've already said it, officially, in the Dev Blog. Read the "Clone States" dev blogs, there are 3, and you will see. |
Paladin Genghis Khanid
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2016.11.17 02:16:39 -
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The problem with Alphas is that CCP hasn't committed to an actual F2P model. This is just a gimped version of a trial account that is indefinite. I can't honestly see anyone sticking around past a month as an alpha. So what you'll have is a constant revolving door of new people who never stick around long enough to learn the ropes. Basically, the same thing you have with trial accounts accept alpha clones don't paint as pretty of a picture of EVE as the old trials did so I expect even less people will stick around. You'll get the initial boost in numbers but it will die down. Maybe CCP hopes the new players will not realize just how gimped they are as opposed to returning vet who simply won't stand for the alpha limits for long.
A F2P model includes micro transactions that help improve your experience. You can chose to invest in certain aspects of the game, but not pay for all of it. CCP should be aiming to make some money off of alphas. To just give you this crappy skill set and tell you you're just stuck with this forever is not a proper F2P model. It's a "we need more fodder to keep the Omegas busy" model.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2005
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Posted - 2016.11.17 02:16:43 -
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Bozze wrote:I paid $45 a month for years. Unfortunately I am just one of those people that doesn't abuse the system. I understand they want to keep it fair. I was just hoping to get my other account in to fly an Iteron and haul my ore back to the station. Not trying to take over the cluster or anything. I doubt I would put another Corp out of business either if I just get to use a Venture to mine the ore. Alphas can't even use mining drones.
Anyway...back to the game The issue isn't even "abuse." It's just the normal advantageous use of alts which has a less than fine line before it starts having an effect, especially when scaled across all players. That effect isn't always obvious or immediately apparent.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1165
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Posted - 2016.11.17 03:08:57 -
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Bozze wrote: But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves.
The official reason is because the playerbase overwhelmingly said NO. The devs here actually listen to players.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1165
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Posted - 2016.11.17 03:16:59 -
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Bozze wrote:thank you for that completely useless reply...
If you don't undertand the reply, that doesn't make it useless.
Recently Eve officially removed the Watch list system. Which allowed you to know the online-offline statuse of any player, whether they were your friend or not.
If multiple alphas were allowed, then there would be VENTURES in every system polling local and aggregating that info. Not to mention mining the crap out of everything. Now as a newbie, you probably wondering if Eve players could do such a thing. But the truth is, eve players ROCK when it comes to aggregating info.
eve-central evemogul pirate's little helper tripwire eve-files eve-search eve-board
etc, etc.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.17 06:44:18 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:You may only have 1 Alpha account logged in at a time. This is meant to keep the game in balance.
Ha, you mean like the limitations on the number of same IP/computer concurrently logged accounts?
It really does a nice job of keeping those multiboxers out of the way, and preventing socially manipulative meta tricks! |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3138
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Posted - 2016.11.17 09:43:16 -
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calm down miner
You know, you can always pay a subscription if you want to multibox
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Punctator
Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae
18
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Posted - 2016.11.17 09:59:11 -
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u3pog wrote:You should be thankful you have access to the game itself for free, let alone fly ships, go anywhere and do stuff...
I saw in one of the local chats today "My god, I am so limited, I cannot fly any ship"... Reminds me of the phrase "Throw em a bone and they want a steak." Well, you gotta pay for the steak.
I for one am thankful, even as Omega, because CCP gave chance to many people who couldn't afford the game before.
Sir it is not a 2003 year anymore. Many things changed, new children was born, new trends in mmo, amd type of gameplay has crystalized. Free to play is natural state of almost every mmo young generation playing now. In eve it was always adept or die, ccp faceing same rule in real world now and thair are failing miserably completly unable to make game for newer generation of players. |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
181
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Posted - 2016.11.17 11:21:30 -
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Punctator wrote:
Sir it is not a 2003 year anymore. Many things changed, new children was born, new trends in mmo, amd type of gameplay has crystalized. Free to play is natural state of almost every mmo young generation playing now. In eve it was always adept or die, ccp faceing same rule in real world now and thair are failing miserably completly unable to make game for newer generation of players.
Absolute rubbish, clone states is making it accessible for people to try the game and play the game for an unlimited period of time. If you like the game then you can pay to play it and unlock the entire game. If you dont like the game move onto something that you do like.
There is a balancing act. Having an unlimited amount fo F2P alts would damage every aspect of the game, CCP and the playerbase know this and this is why the limitation was put in place.
Eve is such a great game which has lasted better then any other MMO in my opinion because when its players get hooked there really is nothing else like it. CCP cant just change the game to cater for the whims of this "newer generation" and alienate its playerbase which has enjoyed the games for years.
If you try the game and hate it move on, if you try the game and love it get your wallet out and pay 9.99, its really not that much of an issue, if you can afford a PC to play it on and an internet subscription I am sure you can afford the cost of an eve subscription. And think of all the money you will save. Since playing eve I spend so much less time on other games that its really saving me money to have an eve sub
Start wide, expand further, and never look back
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Punctator
Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae
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Posted - 2016.11.17 11:56:26 -
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anyway eve offline tell us who is right who is wrong here. |
Jahar Makanen
Ghost Nebula 237 Corporation
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:16:06 -
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I liked play again as alpha clone.
I remembered how it was fun and just signed for a year.. hehe
damn.. it was like put a drop of alchol in the mouth of a addicted person after a year clean |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1936
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:08:20 -
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Alpha Clones = Unlimited Trial
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Sagara Mithril
Back To High-sec Inc.
1
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:45:01 -
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I would rather pay certain quantity of real money to unlock skills of your choosing. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
365
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:59:40 -
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Jaquete Aivoras wrote:Imagine this:
A full fleet of cruisers being controlled by one player in PvP low/null sec. (One person alone decides to gate camp a system with his alpha alts.) A full fleet of ventures mining out a whole system for one player. A full fleet of relatively cheap cruisers suicide gank one expensive ship of an enemy in high sec. One player hauls goods and offers themselves protection at the same time with their alt accounts. etc. etc. etc.
There is so many reasons why they limited it to one alpha client at a time. With free to play also comes the possibility for massive abuse of the system, this limit prevents that abuse.
Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.
that edit of yours, I really hope so. make the galaxy have to actually rely on others for once.
and also I picked this up.
From the EULA :
"2. YOUR ACCOUNT
You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2016.11.17 15:07:37 -
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I suppose the future will be like that:
Alphas pressing all time to have their chars similar to Omegas without pay the subscriptions, complaining all time.
Omegas stating they will drop subscription as soon as they feel Alphas are leeching too muc while they pay for Alphas fun.
In the middle there will be the fact now most game resources are shared between Alphas and Omegas with the big difference Omegas pay real money every month while Alphas don't.. |
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.11.17 17:19:53 -
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Punctator wrote:anyway eve offline tell us who is right who is wrong here.
Jeb! surge |
Mourdeeb
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.11.17 21:29:11 -
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I'm Glad to see CCP offer a F2P option. I was hoping they would evolve to a system that allowed players to pay for additional content, kind of like Upgrading your Clone. I remember years ago, there was a long list of clone upgrades, so they could integrate the system along those lines. Having an Alpha Clone, and Pay for the Skills to train, BCs, and T2 Guns. Etc. Upgrade the Clones incrementally, and have the players pay for each upgrade. This will allow more casual players to invest in the game, but not be held to a monthly subscription. CCP gets paid, players advance at their own pace, paying for Content as they go. Everyone wins! Other MMO's have a similar system of adding content as you go, and it works great. DDO for example has players pay extra for additional dungeons that are standard for Subscribers, but casual players can pay $20 for an unlock. This way it avoids being a Pay to play, since all they are paying for is the unlock of normally available skills, not equipment, or other perks.
How about it CCP??? What do you guys think?
Sincerely, Mourdeeb
HUGE fan since 2007!!! |
Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
612
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Posted - 2016.11.18 11:49:20 -
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Paladin Genghis Khanid wrote:...
A F2P model includes micro transactions that help improve your experience. You can chose to invest in certain aspects of the game, but not pay for all of it. CCP should be aiming to make some money off of alphas. To just give you this crappy skill set and tell you you're just stuck with this forever is not a proper F2P model. It's a "we need more fodder to keep the Omegas busy" model.
Many, many F2P models are in fact Pay-to-Win - And in these cases, micro-transaction are what make them Pay-to_win.
Personally I know that if I could have unlimited/skilled Omega accounts running, I'd gank the crap out off my war targets because I could.
Mourdeeb wrote: I'm Glad to see CCP offer a F2P option. I was hoping they would evolve to a system that allowed players to pay for additional content, kind of like Upgrading your Clone. I remember years ago, there was a long list of clone upgrades, so they could integrate the system along those lines. Having an Alpha Clone, and Pay for the Skills to train, BCs, and T2 Guns. Etc. Upgrade the Clones incrementally, and have the players pay for each upgrade. This will allow more casual players to invest in the game, but not be held to a monthly subscription. CCP gets paid, players advance at their own pace, paying for Content as they go. Everyone wins! Other MMO's have a similar system of adding content as you go, and it works great. DDO for example has players pay extra for additional dungeons that are standard for Subscribers, but casual players can pay $20 for an unlock. This way it avoids being a Pay to play, since all they are paying for is the unlock of normally available skills, not equipment, or other perks.
How about it CCP??? What do you guys think?
Paying for exclusive 'dunjeons' mess with the sandbox concept though. Also, paying $$$ to get SP packs so one can upgrade skills to access T2 mods, better/bigger ships kind of defeat the purpose of limited SP Alpha Clones.
Driven to the extreme, it wouldn't be long that we would see F2P Caps and Supercap pilots.
Sneaky bastard.
Complaints Department is recruiting!
We got wardecced, ohnoes!
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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
140
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Posted - 2016.11.18 12:02:31 -
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Bozze wrote:thank you for that completely useless reply... It's not that the reply is useless, it hits the nail right on the head.
It's just that you don't like the answer.
Balance is everything in an MMRPG. Lose that and you'll soon lose your customers as well. Unlimited Alpha clone use posed a threat of severely unbalancing the game so CCP stopped it before it started to the benefit of us all, Alphas or Omegas. |
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
372
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Posted - 2016.11.24 12:14:03 -
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Mourdeeb wrote:I'm Glad to see CCP offer a F2P option. I was hoping they would evolve to a system that allowed players to pay for additional content, kind of like Upgrading your Clone. I remember years ago, there was a long list of clone upgrades, so they could integrate the system along those lines. Having an Alpha Clone, and Pay for the Skills to train, BCs, and T2 Guns. Etc. Upgrade the Clones incrementally, and have the players pay for each upgrade. This will allow more casual players to invest in the game, but not be held to a monthly subscription. CCP gets paid, players advance at their own pace, paying for Content as they go. Everyone wins! Other MMO's have a similar system of adding content as you go, and it works great. DDO for example has players pay extra for additional dungeons that are standard for Subscribers, but casual players can pay $20 for an unlock. This way it avoids being a Pay to play, since all they are paying for is the unlock of normally available skills, not equipment, or other perks.
How about it CCP??? What do you guys think?
Sincerely, Mourdeeb
HUGE fan since 2007!!!
no you get access to all "content" simply by entering the EvE universe,. Advancing at your own rate is simply rather your train skills or not, nothing says you have to train skills constantly. The only problem with paying CCP any money is the projects they start and walk away from because "programming is hard" or they don't want to do what players would like such as standard MMOs have a button to return you to character selection that they refuse to do as quoted "it would take a handful of devs 6 months for a 15 sec advantage" and now with the release of Alpha accounts they said "alpha accounts are restricted to balance the game" and have noted that they wish to do the same to Omega accounts, im trying to source that blog now.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated Consortium Of Wormhole Space Exploration
11
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Posted - 2016.11.24 12:49:31 -
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Bozze wrote:Ah...where to start?
I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was.
Or not...
I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves.
Thank you for the completely useless thread, ccp has already stated that only 1 alpha account can be played from any single location at a time.
And rightfully so. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8044
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Posted - 2016.11.24 13:06:55 -
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Bozze wrote:thank you for that completely useless reply...
That was literally the most informative succinct reply possible, and it's exactly true. One alpha at a time, or people are gonna be multiboxing all the ganks and ore out from under PAYING players. That's exactly the reason. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it. If you're using an alpha account, it's one per person at a time ever under all circumstances.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8044
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Posted - 2016.11.24 13:08:31 -
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Bozze wrote:See...
I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs.
If you wanna hear from the devs, file a ticket. If you post on the forums, you're gonna hear from players whether you want to or not.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2016.11.24 13:47:48 -
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Mourdeeb wrote:I'm Glad to see CCP offer a F2P option. I was hoping they would evolve to a system that allowed players to pay for additional content, kind of like Upgrading your Clone. I remember years ago, there was a long list of clone upgrades, so they could integrate the system along those lines. Having an Alpha Clone, and Pay for the Skills to train, BCs, and T2 Guns. Etc. Upgrade the Clones incrementally, and have the players pay for each upgrade. This will allow more casual players to invest in the game, but not be held to a monthly subscription. CCP gets paid, players advance at their own pace, paying for Content as they go. Everyone wins! Other MMO's have a similar system of adding content as you go, and it works great. DDO for example has players pay extra for additional dungeons that are standard for Subscribers, but casual players can pay $20 for an unlock. This way it avoids being a Pay to play, since all they are paying for is the unlock of normally available skills, not equipment, or other perks.
How about it CCP??? What do you guys think?
Sincerely, Mourdeeb
HUGE fan since 2007!!!
Incremental upgrades cannot work.
Omegas pay every month for a subscription regardless the fact they have 20 or 200 skills.
You stop (now) you're back to alpha. Previously you cannot even login.
So even if a alpha pays 1 dollar per skill for example, he still needs to pay a time-related subscription for being able to use the skills, otherwise it would be a big advantage over Omega.
They could do every player is "frozen" to the skills he has and can play for free with the skills he "paid for", and paying for any new skills, but I think they will never do something like that, too risky....
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Punctator
Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae
18
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Posted - 2016.11.27 14:12:18 -
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http://sieni.us/?id=34
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
376
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Posted - 2016.11.27 16:39:24 -
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Bozze wrote:Ah...where to start?
I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was.
Or not...
I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves.
Imagine if you could have unlimited alpha accounts logged in. I could have a 20 man venture mining fleet made up of me and not pay a penny for it. unlimited scout alts to play with my omegas, unlimited hauling alts. It would be abused thats why its not allowed. |
XxRTEKxX
256th Shadow Wing Phantom-Recon
151
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Posted - 2016.11.27 17:28:17 -
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Bozze wrote:Ah...where to start?
I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was.
Or not...
I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves.
The alpha clones are a replacement of the trial accounts. Its meant for new players to experience the game and reach a point where they decide it is worth subscribing to continue their game experience. Allowing multiple alpha accounts on the same PC to be logged in will just create armies of free ganking catalysts, free scouts in any system, free mining hordes etc. Us subscribers didn't want that to happen and CCP sure didn't want it to happen either. You might have good intentions but many players would abuse it. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
547
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Posted - 2016.11.28 04:43:53 -
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Bozze wrote:but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
imagine if everybody would do what you want to do and more.
imagine if it was CODE., hundreds of free suicide ganking catalysts.
guess who will whine more? of course it would be the likes of you.
i bet you didn't think that far enough have you?
of course it's ok if you are willing to pay for hundreds of accounts, the question is, can you?!
Just Add Water
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Rin Vocaloid2
DUST University Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2016.11.28 04:56:27 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Bozze wrote:but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
imagine if everybody would do what you want to do and more. imagine if it was CODE., hundreds of free suicide ganking catalysts. guess who will whine more? of course it would be the likes of you. i bet you didn't think that far enough have you? of course it's ok if you are willing to pay for hundreds of accounts, the question is, can you?!
God, the sight of CODE fielding a fleet of a thousand alpha-fit destroyers all controlled by one player...
Sure the ban on multiplexing and multibroadcasting makes it that hard to gank efficiently, but all you need is one hit from every ship to destroy a miner in high-sec even with Concord already on the field if enough ganker ships were present. Imagine an AFK miner coming back after 15 minutes to see his pod drifting in space while surrounded by a mass grave of 1,000 destroyer wrecks all being ninja looted by local scavengers.
PS: If you run military career missions, you can get a free destroyer to cut down your cost. Of course, that would be extremely inefficient. |
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