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State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.11.18 11:44:20 -
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no one need to train skills in order to scam, troll on chat or post the forums. it's free! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2007
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Posted - 2016.11.18 19:44:55 -
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Vigirr wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Xodiac Primus wrote:Guess what, "Gold ammo" can be purchased with regular in game coin so EVERYBODY can use gold ammo and it does not require real money to get.
I'm guessing when they talked about premium ammo it was going to cost you real like money, and not just ISK. When did that change? Used to be HEAT (as well as some ACPR?) ammo had gold exclusive versions. Years ago, been so long I can't even remember when it changed. Same for rations and large repair kits. However, it's not the same situation: not many people actually bought that ammo with gold and now that they can with credits it heavily affects profitability which can be solved by... running a premium account so if you want tot talk about bait and switch, there is it. People all want to drive the big tier 10 tanks which just aren't profitable on a basic account unless you're quite good, which most people aren't. WOT was to be a f2p game from the outset, it was meant to be annoying without premium being super grindy and annoying because of it. EVE is not. It has been relying on a sub that hasn't really changed in 13 years which due to inflation means they get less and less. They should have upped the sub fee, not go f2p imo. To be fair I get the feeling this is more about increasing the playerbase rather than just being purely about money (sure, it ideally leads to money, just not as directly as a sub increase assuming no account churn at the new price). |
Faxtarious
Kai-Zen inc.
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Posted - 2016.11.18 21:19:14 -
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Xodiac Primus, Ask any old goon how they conquered half of EVE back in the days... and you'll understand how Alpha is not an unlimited trial.
And also, the meta for the past 4 years have been frigs, desty and cruisers.
You should EVE more before making blanket statement on the forum. Oh wait... scrap that |
Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2016.11.18 22:28:33 -
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:Xodiac Primus wrote:Its really just an un-timed DEMO. Get the free-to-play thing out of your head as that's really not what they are offering in the least. Bait-N-Switch is alive and well..... Bait and switch? A game that required payment for regular access now requires no payment for regular access. FREE to PLAY.
Indeed. It's funny seeing people here and on other EVE related social media calling it an "indefinite trial" or "untimed demo" or other such euphemisms. They just can't bring themselves to say "free to play" |
Blahx
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:10:19 -
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Dibz wrote:Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:Xodiac Primus wrote:Its really just an un-timed DEMO. Get the free-to-play thing out of your head as that's really not what they are offering in the least. Bait-N-Switch is alive and well..... Bait and switch? A game that required payment for regular access now requires no payment for regular access. FREE to PLAY. Indeed. It's funny seeing people here and on other EVE related social media calling it an "indefinite trial" or "untimed demo" or other such euphemisms. They just can't bring themselves to say "free to play"
it's not even a trial, i came back to my trial account where i trained up to use Sentry drones to run missions.
Can't use them... and the rest of my drone skills are severely limited.
Alpha is worse than Trial where skills/ships are concerned.
Bottom line is i can't get back into what i like doing because of the restriction, in turn i'm one player that CCP probably won't get back.
I wish they had some better way to monetize it to make it truly F2P with full access to everything...
Longer training times and limiting T2/T3 is a good way to make people sub,They need to think more along these lines, but open up the rest of the game.
my 2c anyway.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance
368
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:14:19 -
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Xodiac Primus wrote:
Oh.. I see I didn't realize that I get regular access and do not have to pay for regular access.... wait... thats not what I got. Where did you get the free-to-play Omega?
I have no problem with what they are doing, they should just not call it Free-To-Play as there are plenty of FTP games out there but you can literately play the entire game and you just pay for either faster advancement, vanity items etc... but you can literately never spend a penny and do everything they have to offer.
Path of Exile World of Tanks League of Legends many others.
Those games are Free-To-Play and you can pay for bonusxp, camo/skins ect.... but you are not required to pay anything to level right to the top.
By your definition World of Warcraft is free to play because you can level to 20 and play that starter toon forever. Hell, the WoW demo is closer to Free-To-Play than what they are offering here.
Why is League of Legends on your list?
League of Legends cuts you off from a bunch of heroes. The only heroes that are "Free to play" are those that are offered freely through rotation. All other heroes are cut off, unless you grind for Points or buy them. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.11.19 01:44:44 -
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They will expand alpha benefits once they realize not many people are joining and subscribing and alphas can't do as much as ever the old trial accounts.
Expect an expanded skill tree, and No faction ban for t1 ships so you can fly whatever you want from the 4 main branches. |
Matthias Khenakhtre
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2016.11.19 01:44:44 -
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They will expand alpha benefits once they realize not many people are joining and subscribing and alphas can't do as much as ever the old trial accounts.
Expect an expanded skill tree, and No faction ban for t1 ships so you can fly whatever you want from the 4 main branches. |
Xodiac Primus
New Eden's Best.
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Posted - 2016.11.19 01:50:24 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:They will expand alpha benefits once they realize not many people are joining and subscribing and alphas can't do as much as ever the old trial accounts.
Expect an expanded skill tree, and No faction ban for t1 ships so you can fly whatever you want from the 4 main branches.
I hope so, would like to see this game succeed but they will be able to count on fingers and toes the number of new subs they get form this and will likely not have to remove but one shoe and sock to count those.
My big concern is they burned there one chance to bring back a lot of the old players as they squawked Free-To-Play and a lot of those oldsters will come back, see its nowhere near free-to-play as they were expecting and leave again.
Even if they do go legit free-to-play down the road, that will land on deaf ears. |
Xodiac Primus
New Eden's Best.
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Posted - 2016.11.19 01:52:16 -
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Dibz wrote:Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:Xodiac Primus wrote:Its really just an un-timed DEMO. Get the free-to-play thing out of your head as that's really not what they are offering in the least. Bait-N-Switch is alive and well..... Bait and switch? A game that required payment for regular access now requires no payment for regular access. FREE to PLAY. Indeed. It's funny seeing people here and on other EVE related social media calling it an "indefinite trial" or "untimed demo" or other such euphemisms. They just can't bring themselves to say "free to play"
Apparently free-to-play means one thing for CCP and fanboi's and something else to the other 99.9% of the internet.
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Aaron
Stain Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.11.19 03:04:33 -
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Xodiac Primus wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:It was stated by another poster. You can literally do everything in this game that is normal gameplay, just not extremely well, with the skills they have given you as an alpha account. Eve has had a steep learning curve and now you can learn at your own pace for as long as you wish, enjoy what you wish in the game just at a lower/slower level than others that pay. It removes ALL of the "I have to do this in 14-21 days!!!" to enjoy this game or I am forced to pay to play a game I dont get or havent gotten into yet because I know nothing yet. Imagine being a 2-5 year old and being thrown to the wolves by your parents. This is historically what the trial amounted to. Tossing a toddler into a shark pool and expecting it to survive. Now you can grow and do and not worry about the fiscal costs, out of game of course, so you can enjoy it without getting to scarred for life. Single race mix of weapons so no mixing projectile/missle etc... .no missions above 2 and nothing heavier than a cruiser so you will never fight anything heavier than another cruiser if you mission run. Thats what... 2% of the ships you can use? Drones limited to just small and medium,no salvage, mining etc... yah, you can do a fair bit, enough to categorize it as a DEMO.. not free-to-play.
Question, Does this mean that an Omega clone can initiate a level 4 mission and invite alpha clone players?
OP, I suppose it is all about understanding the game which is something FTP can provide, the incentive to subscribe is you will be able to have a greater impact on whatever you are doing that's all there is and that's all one should need.
General points regarding FTP;
In my opinion I think that alpha clones can still experience a large amount of Eve. Most of the posts I've read regarding this seem to focus on alpha clones playing as solo. What if FTP inspires a new generation of player who adopts a healthy and enthusiastic teamwork ethic where they are happy to live within their means simply because its free?
If lots of alpha clones start joining well organised corps who specifically cater for alphas I think lots of things could be achieved and great fun could be had in achieving it.
Also, FTP is also for omega players, there is lots we can do to improve log on numbers because we now have a comfortable amount of time to advise and teach FTP'ers. I for one am all for supporting CCP in their latest endeavor to boost log on numbers and I think we should all get onboard and do what we can. This is our game.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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