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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.21 01:43:17 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Rin Vocaloid2 wrote:I think you're asking for a **** ton of AFK Cloaky Alpha Alts in null-sec space by account holder who are very likely to be Eve veterans who are looking for way to grief their null-sec foes.
PS: Pardon my response. When I see any idea presented by any player, my first thought is "how can I exploit this?" Considering you can't log in more than one....not sure this will happen. Especially with cloaking 1. They'll have a ship with a prototype cloak and that is about it. You cant log in more than one on a single computer. Its not that hard to whip up some cheap computers that don't have to do much other than log in and display local.
Plus I am sure there are ways around it on a single computer, that someone will find if there is that kind of benefit. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.11.21 01:57:32 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Rin Vocaloid2 wrote:I think you're asking for a **** ton of AFK Cloaky Alpha Alts in null-sec space by account holder who are very likely to be Eve veterans who are looking for way to grief their null-sec foes.
PS: Pardon my response. When I see any idea presented by any player, my first thought is "how can I exploit this?" Considering you can't log in more than one....not sure this will happen. Especially with cloaking 1. They'll have a ship with a prototype cloak and that is about it. You cant log in more than one on a single computer. Its not that hard to whip up some cheap computers that don't have to do much other than log in and display local. Plus I am sure there are ways around it on a single computer, that someone will find if there is that kind of benefit.
Right, and lots of people are going to make cheap computers just to AFK cloaky camp...I'll believe it when I see it (on a widespread basis and not just some chump doing it because).
And if people do find a work around and log in more than one Alpha on one computer...Hello Exploit and Permaban. Nice knowing you.
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Steffles
University of Caille Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2016.11.21 02:02:49 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Rin Vocaloid2 wrote:I think you're asking for a **** ton of AFK Cloaky Alpha Alts in null-sec space by account holder who are very likely to be Eve veterans who are looking for way to grief their null-sec foes.
PS: Pardon my response. When I see any idea presented by any player, my first thought is "how can I exploit this?" Considering you can't log in more than one....not sure this will happen. Especially with cloaking 1. They'll have a ship with a prototype cloak and that is about it. You cant log in more than one on a single computer. Its not that hard to whip up some cheap computers that don't have to do much other than log in and display local. Plus I am sure there are ways around it on a single computer, that someone will find if there is that kind of benefit. Right, and lots of people are going to make cheap computers just to AFK cloaky camp...I'll believe it when I see it (on a widespread basis and not just some chump doing it because). And if people do find a work around and log in more than one Alpha on one computer...Hello Exploit and Permaban. Nice knowing you. I wont' say how you can do it because its not allowed in terms of exploits but there is a very simple way to make eve clients think they're on their own pc when they're actually running on the same machine. Sure most people know about that already in any case.
As for permabanning. It takes no time at all to train cloaking level 1 for your ibis and getting a free account banned means nothing.
Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2016.11.21 02:04:04 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Rin Vocaloid2 wrote:I think you're asking for a **** ton of AFK Cloaky Alpha Alts in null-sec space by account holder who are very likely to be Eve veterans who are looking for way to grief their null-sec foes.
PS: Pardon my response. When I see any idea presented by any player, my first thought is "how can I exploit this?" Considering you can't log in more than one....not sure this will happen. Especially with cloaking 1. They'll have a ship with a prototype cloak and that is about it. You cant log in more than one on a single computer. Its not that hard to whip up some cheap computers that don't have to do much other than log in and display local. Plus I am sure there are ways around it on a single computer, that someone will find if there is that kind of benefit. Right, and lots of people are going to make cheap computers just to AFK cloaky camp...I'll believe it when I see it (on a widespread basis and not just some chump doing it because). And if people do find a work around and log in more than one Alpha on one computer...Hello Exploit and Permaban. Nice knowing you. Considering you could build a computer for less than a 1 month sub to EvE and get a cloaky camper for ever, yes a lot of people would do it. All you need is one of those cheap second hand/recycling places and your set.
As to permabans possibly but people always have used expolits/bots in the past and I am sure some still do. Giving a free account cloaking is just asking for trouble. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.11.21 18:07:59 -
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Steffles wrote: I wont' say how you can do it because its not allowed in terms of exploits but there is a very simple way to make eve clients think they're on their own pc when they're actually running on the same machine. Sure most people know about that already in any case.
As for permabanning. It takes no time at all to train cloaking level 1 for your ibis and getting a free account banned means nothing.
Right, CCP is just going to let that kind of thing go. Sure. Yeah, don't think so. My guess is once they find your OMG accounts those will be gone too. But hey, what do I know. How about you literally go do this and test it for us.
I love how people come up with the most convoluted approach to literally cheat and then justify it as well.
And seriously, you are going to be scared of an ibis with a prototype cloak? HTFU.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5529
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Posted - 2016.11.21 18:15:37 -
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Mark Marconi wrote: Considering you could build a computer for less than a 1 month sub to EvE and get a cloaky camper for ever, yes a lot of people would do it. All you need is one of those cheap second hand/recycling places and your set.
As to permabans possibly but people always have used expolits/bots in the past and I am sure some still do. Giving a free account cloaking is just asking for trouble.
It is amazing how many Eve players understand opportunity cost when it comes to minerals, but completely fail in applying it anywhere else. Yes, I am going to spend my time building and money a 1-2 dozen el-cheapo PCs simply to cloaky camp systems in an t1 frig with a prototype cloak. And in fact dozens and even hundreds of people are going to do this because they have literally nothing better to do with that money or their time. Sure.
This is the type of reasoning behind every single instance where people light their hair on fire over minor changes.
Oh, and I presume if this change were to go in to effect you'll be one of the people doing it. Right?
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2680
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Posted - 2016.11.21 18:55:19 -
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The general impression that I have gotten from playing an Alpha for a while is that it isn't meant to fill many of the roles that traditional alts do.
Scouting? Nope. (At least not real-time.) Hauling? Nada. (At least not efficiently.) Cyno? Fuggaboutit!
Cloaking falls pretty squarely into those roles.
Now, if CCP ends up offering intermediate clone states between Alpha and Omega (which, coincidentally, are the beginning and end of the Greek alphabet, so there's plenty of room in between), I'd see a case for cloaking. But not for Alpha. Alpha is the bare minimum to play. It should be limited in what it can do.
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
254
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Posted - 2016.11.21 19:10:11 -
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I'm paying for the opportunity to use a claoking device.
Alphas are extended Trial accounts. If you REALLY get into Eve you will make a subscription. If not why devaluate the omega accounts? Every extra abilitie for non paying players devaluates my omega account and causes multiple other problems.
IMHO CCP has almost hit the sweet spot to make Alphas viable playing chars while limiting them so that you will be longing for an Omega account after a short time. Eve doesn't have any micropayment (except for skins) so the income from alpha accounts is rather limited while they cost the same as omega accounts. Even if you give CCP a hefty margin of 50% for developement + and profit they are still loosing 6$ per Alpha/month.
Alphas are good as they are! Try to convince some Alphas to subsribe instead of making Alphas so good that omegas start to think about going to Alpha! |
Josef Djugashvilis
3495
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Posted - 2016.11.21 19:44:09 -
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Dear Iria, do you have any idea how many 'cloaky' threads there are?
Just think of a crazy number, then double it.
It was not my intention to insult you, sorry if came across that way.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1215
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Posted - 2016.11.21 19:45:44 -
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Geronimo McVain wrote:
Alphas are good as they are! Try to convince some Alphas to subsribe instead of making Alphas so good that omegas start to think about going to Alpha!
Ok, this thread is definitely not about "making alphas so good that omegas start to think about going alpha." The idea is to give alphas a very limited cloak so it is easier for them to get in-and-out of lowsec/null. That's pretty much it.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1215
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Posted - 2016.11.21 19:46:49 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Iria, do you have any idea how many 'cloaky' threads there are?
Just think of a crazy number, then double it.
It was not my intention to insult you, sorry if came across that way.
This is a cloaky thread. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Actually, the focus of this thread is not like other threads. But I did expect many people to associate it with "AAAAGH! afk cloak are cancer."
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Kojee
Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten.
26
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Posted - 2016.11.21 19:48:27 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: Right, and lots of people are going to make cheap computers just to AFK cloaky camp...I'll believe it when I see it (on a widespread basis and not just some chump doing it because).
And if people do find a work around and log in more than one Alpha on one computer...Hello Exploit and Permaban. Nice knowing you.
Teckos Pech wrote:It is amazing how many Eve players understand opportunity cost when it comes to minerals, but completely fail in applying it anywhere else. Yes, I am going to spend my time building and money a 1-2 dozen el-cheapo PCs simply to cloaky camp systems in an t1 frig with a prototype cloak. And in fact dozens and even hundreds of people are going to do this because they have literally nothing better to do with that money or their time. Sure.
This is the type of reasoning behind every single instance where people light their hair on fire over minor changes.
Oh, and I presume if this change were to go in to effect you'll be one of the people doing it. Right?
I think you're exaggerating the **** out of what I said.
There are a lot of people with more than one computer. ****, I used to have two or three machines I could have played EVE on if I wanted. Even now, my Ultrabook is at least enough to log in and sit there at a safe while cloaked.
It's really not as expensive as you think - if you already have the hardware lying around, it would be super easy to abuse the **** out of cloaks on Alphas. I tested it on release day; not ideal, but definitely doable. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2016.11.21 20:51:44 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Mark Marconi wrote: Considering you could build a computer for less than a 1 month sub to EvE and get a cloaky camper for ever, yes a lot of people would do it. All you need is one of those cheap second hand/recycling places and your set.
As to permabans possibly but people always have used expolits/bots in the past and I am sure some still do. Giving a free account cloaking is just asking for trouble.
It is amazing how many Eve players understand opportunity cost when it comes to minerals, but completely fail in applying it anywhere else. Yes, I am going to spend my time building and money a 1-2 dozen el-cheapo PCs simply to cloaky camp systems in an t1 frig with a prototype cloak. And in fact dozens and even hundreds of people are going to do this because they have literally nothing better to do with that money or their time. Sure. This is the type of reasoning behind every single instance where people light their hair on fire over minor changes. Oh, and I presume if this change were to go in to effect you'll be one of the people doing it. Right? Actually what about the pure lost revenue from CCPs point of view. All those players that currently do pay for cloaky camper alts.
Hell it would be worth building a few computers for every player in Null just to keep the other alliances off balance by having cloaky campers in their main solar systems. Now there is an opportunity cost, spend bugger all making a cheap computer and get months of entertainment watching nullbears wet them selves or not spend a tiny amount of money. I would vote for scaring the crap out of enemy alliances.
If I had a route in Null or lo I traveled often would I set up a cloaked scout in them and activate them before I go through with cargo? Hell yeah, again spending the time building 8-10 computers so I had a safe path is worth the time and effort.
Then you have the biggest reason for CCP not to allow things like cloaking on Alphas, the more they get the less likely they are to pay. |
Egsise
Special Boat Service. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
10
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Posted - 2016.11.22 06:16:51 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Honestly Im going to give you a big HELL NO!! Then Ill make a suggestion.... This is the perfect point to make limited cloaking abilities. Either you have to spam the button, or you have only a short cloaking timer of a few minutes or a few seconds, you make it use fuel or some other sort of charge/ammo or any other combination that requires considerable work or only lasts a limited amount of time but at least lets you run and hide for a short time. But to be able to sit in complete safety anywhere as an alpha while undocked is NOT something they need to "learn" or "experience." I like the idea of cloaks requiring fuel. An hour or two of cloaked time seems good if one can easily resupply.
Implied facepalm. Did you just "accidentally" forget wormholes where we always afk cloaked. |
Mightylink
North Star Line
0
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Posted - 2016.11.22 11:04:36 -
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I was surprised to see alphas dont even get the prototype cloaking device, I was also surprised they couldn't even use the civilian mining drone, I believe alphas should be able to try all this stuff out but just not be able to get the best tech 2 or faction varients of them. |
druishian
Clear Flight
0
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Posted - 2016.11.22 12:21:52 -
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I like the thought of cloaks on alphas it could possibly mean more destruction of players stuff which means more in game money spent to replace things destroyed which means more plexes bought for in game money which makes ccp more money which means more development for the players and since this is big bad pvp eve you all so love this would also mean you would be safe and unsafe at the same time excellent idea
just to add this means no corny cloaks like wood burning or steam powered garbage just the ol prototype would be fine |
Keno Skir
988
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Posted - 2016.11.22 12:31:00 -
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Mightylink wrote:I was surprised to see alphas dont even get the prototype cloaking device, I was also surprised they couldn't even use the civilian mining drone, I believe alphas should be able to try all this stuff out but just not be able to get the best tech 2 or faction varients of them.
I can understand how with little experience of the game you feel like a lot of things should be available to Alpha clones. The reality is that those of us who do understand, know that a simple thing like a Prototype Cloak can be game breaking.
druishian wrote:I like the thought of cloaks on alphas it could possibly mean more destruction of players stuff which means more in game money spent to replace things destroyed which means more plexes bought for in game money which makes ccp more money which means more development for the players and since this is big bad pvp eve you all so love this would also mean you would be safe and unsafe at the same time excellent idea
just to add this means no corny cloaks like wood burning or steam powered garbage just the ol prototype would be fine
It actually means less destruction of stuff, since cloaky campers in every system makes people undock less. Making sure every subbed player doesn't get a free scout alt is what provides conflict
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druishian
Clear Flight
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Posted - 2016.11.22 12:43:38 -
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see this is the mind set of the eve rats when something hits home they just run away they would rather be in a gank fleet or gate camp there is no real interest in playing the game as it is they would rather cry in bed than have a lil challenge |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1220
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:11:20 -
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Egsise wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Honestly Im going to give you a big HELL NO!! Then Ill make a suggestion.... This is the perfect point to make limited cloaking abilities. Either you have to spam the button, or you have only a short cloaking timer of a few minutes or a few seconds, you make it use fuel or some other sort of charge/ammo or any other combination that requires considerable work or only lasts a limited amount of time but at least lets you run and hide for a short time. But to be able to sit in complete safety anywhere as an alpha while undocked is NOT something they need to "learn" or "experience." I like the idea of cloaks requiring fuel. An hour or two of cloaked time seems good if one can easily resupply. Implied facepalm. Did you just "accidentally" forget wormholes where we always afk cloaked.
Not being able to afk cloak in wh keeps the incentive up for going omega.
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Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:27:19 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Not being able to afk cloak in wh keeps the incentive up for going omega. In order to have a cloaky scout in every C5/C6 wormhole you need a lot of subbed acounts. If alphas could cloak, that number would be reduced to 0. |
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1220
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:33:33 -
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Captain Awkward wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Not being able to afk cloak in wh keeps the incentive up for going omega. In order to have a cloaky scout in every C5/C6 wormhole you need a lot of subbed acounts. If alphas could cloak, that number would be reduced to 0.
So would making the prototype cloak require fuel. The goal of this thread is ways to make cloaking viable for transiting alphas, without opening up problems like afk cloaking. Give alphas a taste of cloaking mechanics while still keeping it impaired enough to give incentives to omega.
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Carl Kowalski
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:35:21 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:You need only two features. "Get Outta Dodge" which lasts 10-30seconds tops and a lil longer I need to sit and wait this out which is 10-30mins max. Any longer and you can either log off or run away and if you are caught that badly then yeah its just your time to die.
This is, what is missing for alpha pilots: "a get out of jail" card, not permacloak. So I suggest the following changes: - the existing prototype cloak needs cloaking II - alpha clones are allowed to learn cloaking I - a new module "basic cloak" (or so) is added
This basic cloak could have the following attributes: - needs cloaking I - when activated cloaks ship for 1 minute - reactivation delay of 5 minutes - when player logged off cloaked, on login the reactivation timer starts at 5 minutes - maybe lower the speed malus a bit, so that this cloak is a viable option for travel fits of omega players too
Opinions?
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1220
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:42:20 -
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Carl Kowalski wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:You need only two features. "Get Outta Dodge" which lasts 10-30seconds tops and a lil longer I need to sit and wait this out which is 10-30mins max. Any longer and you can either log off or run away and if you are caught that badly then yeah its just your time to die.
This is, what is missing for alpha pilots: "a get out of jail" card, not permacloak. So I suggest the following changes: - the existing prototype cloak needs cloaking II - alpha clones are allowed to learn cloaking I - a new module "basic cloak" (or so) is added This basic cloak could have the following attributes: - needs cloaking I - when activated cloaks ship for 1 minute - reactivation delay of 5 minutes - when player logged off cloaked, on login the reactivation timer starts at 5 minutes - maybe lower the speed malus a bit, so that this cloak is a viable option for travel fits of omega players too Opinions?
Only problem I see is the 1 minute max. This pretty much makes the cloak only useful for the cloak-mwd trick. Which is still an option. Useful in ls or hs wars, but no good for bubble camps. I still think it should last long enough to slowboat under the speed malus out of at least one bubble.
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Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
201
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Posted - 2016.11.22 16:36:31 -
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I am personally for Alpha clones using prototype cloaks. Possibly because I make my living selling cloaking devices, but also because I think it will make it easier for alphas to get out of hisec. |
XxRTEKxX
256th Shadow Wing Phantom-Recon
150
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Posted - 2016.11.23 19:59:14 -
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Would be nice for wormhole groups to recruit alphas if they could at least fit a cloak. Sucks having to tell alphas they need to sub if they want to come hangout in wormholes. |
Kosomot
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.11.23 20:08:34 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Quote:I think you're asking for a **** ton of AFK Cloaky Alpha Alts in null-sec space by account holder who are very likely to be Eve veterans who are looking for way to grief their null-sec foes.
PS: Pardon my response. When I see any idea presented by any player, my first thought is "how can I exploit this?"
Cloaky alpha alts is a valid argument. But I don't see an afk alpha cloaker as being any different than an omega afk cloaker. That's more of an "Is afk cloaking really griefing argument." Which I've never supported. Considering that an alpha and omega account can't be active at the same time, this isn't enabling players to do anything different than they already are. It's not as if an omega could set up an alpha afk cloaker and play on their omega account at the same time. Also, "How can i exploit this." is the right way to think. So bravo.
the difference is Omega local null cloaker is a paying cloaker,
in CCP's Minds, that a good reason
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Blix Sativa
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.11.23 20:47:07 -
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Rin Vocaloid2 wrote:Aaron wrote:I am in full agreement with the OP.
It will be difficult for solo alphas to operate in low/npc null sec without the ability to cloak. I suppose an alpha players home will be high sec and possibly sov space.
I think it's great that Eve is now FTP and its possible for people to get a good taste of Eve at no charge, it might be a little bit cheeky asking for cloaking to be added to alpha clones. If you don't ask you don't get. Now that hindsight has kicked me straight in the groin, I have to say that Alphas at the stage they are currently in are not likely to be that invested in going into null-sec alone. If they are going into null-sec or even wormhole space, they are more likely to do it with a group of friends which is probably why there are so many corporations recruiting them right now near or at the starter systems. Honestly, I don't think an Alpha needs access to cloaking if they have safety in numbers due to the corps they are likely to join such as Brave Newbies, Pandemic Horde, Eve University, etc.
I'm new to Eve and I do WH/nullsec exploration alone as an alpha.. It takes some time to scan things down with our limited skills.. Add combat probes constantly appearing on D-Scan on top of that and it gets pretty stressful.
In order for me to safely explore null/WH space, I'm constantly warping around creating/deleting bookmarks, while at the same time adjusting my probes.
If I do finally find a relic site and hone in on it, I still can't warp to it. I have to keep zigzagging across the system until I feel confident the guy has given up trying to track me down with his combat probes... A decent player can track an alpha player down with combat probes and warp to them faster than we can do a single relic container.
ISo I'd be happy with some type of counter-measure that protects us from combat probes and blockades... for example:
D-Scan Jammer:
Changes the functionality of your D-Scan. When the a signal from an enemy D-Scan or Combat Probe is detected, it floods the signal with additional signals making it impossible for a directional scanner/combat probe to get an accurate reading of your location.
When Jammer is activated, you are visible, but it takes much longer for players to lock on to you... and you take WAY longer than that to lock your own targets. Due to the Jammer's interference, you do not get an audio clue that you're being locked on to. (Buys you time to avoid gate camps, like a cloak would, but prevents it from be used to AFK camp. Allows explorers to lock on to their relic/data containers)
While the Jammer is equipped, you would have an increased delay after using your D-Scanner, before you can do another scan.
You would not be able to D- scan for ships while the Jammer is active or until it has cycled. (Prevents you from using it to scout from far away)
Anyhow, like I said... I'm new, so that's just a rough suggestion from someone who knows little of the game mechanics. I'm sure they could come up with something for us Alphas. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
243
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Posted - 2016.11.23 21:02:04 -
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Othran wrote:Maybe people aren't aware that running an alpha and an omega clone concurrently (however you do it) is going to earn you a permaban?
Pretty prominent in the EULA and easily detectable if CCP choose to do so :
"2. YOUR ACCOUNT
You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
That's condition 2 of the EULA guys and affects CCPs revenue stream so best case you'll get hit with a 6 month ban. Far more likely you get permabanned,
I think alphas need access to cloaking skills/mods so they understand their options aren't just "jump & be ganked" - from their limited perspective. A lot of players dont know that. If CCP strictly enforces that rule, a lot of players will be banned in the near future.
CCPs communication on this important topic is again terribad. No one reads the EULA. They need to put that rule into the launcher. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2016.11.23 23:23:12 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Othran wrote:Maybe people aren't aware that running an alpha and an omega clone concurrently (however you do it) is going to earn you a permaban?
Pretty prominent in the EULA and easily detectable if CCP choose to do so :
"2. YOUR ACCOUNT
You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
That's condition 2 of the EULA guys and affects CCPs revenue stream so best case you'll get hit with a 6 month ban. Far more likely you get permabanned,
I think alphas need access to cloaking skills/mods so they understand their options aren't just "jump & be ganked" - from their limited perspective. A lot of players dont know that. If CCP strictly enforces that rule, a lot of players will be banned in the near future. CCPs communication on this important topic is again terribad. No one reads the EULA. They need to put that rule into the launcher. And a lot of players do know that and will easily find a way around it for free cloaking alts. As mentioned above separate cheap computers is an easy work around. After all they don't need to do much other than cloak and show local.
Its pretty much a perfect example of Malcanis's law.
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Iria Ahrens wrote:I've been thinking about this. Especially after talking to some older players returning to play the alpha.
The whole point of the Alpha program is to give people a taste as many different facets of eve play while still reserving enough to give incentives to subscribe. We want more people in null and ls right? The problem here is that getting in-and-out of ls/null in standard racial ships is generally done with the aid of an prototype or improved cloak.
With a cloak standard ships have a chance, not a great one, but a viable chance of getting through gate camps, especially bubbles. An explorer, for example, doesn't only want to get their ship through a camp, but they want to bring the loot back as well. Which is important. Players generally need to feel like they have a worthwhile chance before they take a chance.
And back on the whole concept of giving players a taste of EVE. This is only a taste. The most common piece of advice given about the prototype cloak is "never use it. Use improved cloak only." Why? Because prototype sucks. But even a prototype cloak can be better than no cloak. Anyone that uses a prototype cloak will desire a better cloak, which provides incentives to pay. On the other hand, if a player has to base their gameplay on not having a cloak, then there is less incentive to pay for a subscription.
Denying cloak skill to 2 week or 30 day trial members is one thing, but now that it is basically infinite trial, trial players should be able to access intermediate gameplay. I don't think anyone can argue that prototype cloaks are OP, and slowboating around with a prototype cloak active will give lots of incentive to subscribe and use a better cloak.
Anyway, what do you think?
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edit, Well, we are 3 pages in and I thought I had a good point, but even in light of that the response is overwhelmingly negative. So let me modify the argument.
If prototype cloaks were modified so they consumed fuel and limited the duration an alpha could cloak, which would eliminate afk cloaking. Would you accept alpha cloaking then? If so what kind of limit on the cloak would be appropriate.
I think it should definitely be long enough to slowboat out of a bubble get far enough away to decloak and warpout from a standing camp.
edit2 - Another interesting suggestion is a 1 minute cloak. Such a cloak would be useful for getting past camps, and not much else.
Do not be stupid. You are asking for afk scouts. Bad bad blond...get back in your cage. |
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