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7Genius
Damage Distribution Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.11.20 04:58:18 -
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As a paying customer for this game I think it is pretty disparaging that we can't have one Omega and one Alpha clone (an alt account) logged in simultaneously.
I figure since I am now one of the people supporting this game and have been for 9 years, I was very disappointed to learn that I can not have an alpha clone logged in at the same time as my Omega. Maybe you don't appreciate your paid customers support, maybe this hasn't come up as an issue for you yet but I do not plan on resubbing my paid account if this does not change.
As far as I see it if I am paying for an Omega account I should still be able to access at least one Alpha, can you please respond to the community of paying players on this.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.20 05:10:34 -
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It was also impossible before this change, to have a trial account and a subscribed account logged in together.
Why is it such an issue all of a sudden?
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2016.11.20 05:12:56 -
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It's not an issue all of a sudden, it's just another entitled brat complaining about the free stuff he got.
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.11.20 05:14:35 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:It was also impossible before this change, to have a trial account and a subscribed account logged in together.
Why is it such an issue all of a sudden?
Because angry? Never not rage quit if you don't get exactly what you want, when you want. |
7Genius
Damage Distribution Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.11.20 05:21:29 -
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CCP fanbois out in full force.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2016.11.20 05:29:20 -
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Grrrr CCP! |
Fatima Foont
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Posted - 2016.11.20 05:34:19 -
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Yeah since you have been playing 9 years you know that trial accounts can't play with subs. F2P is a trial. |
7Genius
Damage Distribution Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.11.20 05:41:59 -
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Fatima Foont wrote:Yeah since you have been playing 9 years you know that trial accounts can't play with subs. F2P is a trial.
That is not the way it is being advertised to new players. Everything I have read is "EVE is free"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQciMy_Pr0Q here is the trailer
I guess that is just not the case for people who actually pay for the game. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2016.11.20 06:01:32 -
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7Genius wrote:Fatima Foont wrote:Yeah since you have been playing 9 years you know that trial accounts can't play with subs. F2P is a trial. That is not the way it is being advertised to new players. Everything I have read is "EVE is free" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQciMy_Pr0Q here is the trailer I guess that is just not the case for people who actually pay for the game.
Show me one thing you've read that claims "EVE is free" without any caveats. The limits you're complaining about have been known since this was announced. Just because you pay for an Omega account, that doesn't entitle you to run any number of free accounts on the side simultaneously. Do you have any idea how quickly and easily such a feature would be exploited to mess up the balance of the game? There's a damn good reason why you have to pay to have multiple accounts online at a time.
You call people 'fanbois' as if anyone that disagrees with you or is against you on this is one. Which is how I know you're hurling it around as a pejorative, and don't actually understand the meaning of the word, but I'll let you in on a little secret: fanboi is not synonymous with wrong, and as long as you continue to act like a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum, hurling pejoratives around like that is about as meaningful as a child screaming "I hate you!" at his parents after being disciplined for doing something wrong.
Grow up. The fact that CCP has given away anything for free, anything at all, is ******* mindblowing, and you wanna sit there and whine about it? Get the **** out of here. Seriously, put your money where your mouth is, unsubscribe, biomass, and get the **** out of here. No one is going to miss you and your one little paid account.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.20 08:49:45 -
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CCP fanboi reporting in.
**Sugar Von MurdererTits-á**: Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.20 08:51:33 -
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7Genius wrote:Fatima Foont wrote:Yeah since you have been playing 9 years you know that trial accounts can't play with subs. F2P is a trial. That is not the way it is being advertised to new players. Everything I have read is "EVE is free" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQciMy_Pr0Q here is the trailer I guess that is just not the case for people who actually pay for the game. Who would have guessed that EvE is not free for people that pay for the game. TIL
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2016.11.20 09:56:36 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:7Genius wrote:Fatima Foont wrote:Yeah since you have been playing 9 years you know that trial accounts can't play with subs. F2P is a trial. That is not the way it is being advertised to new players. Everything I have read is "EVE is free" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQciMy_Pr0Q here is the trailer I guess that is just not the case for people who actually pay for the game. Show me one thing you've read that claims "EVE is free" without any caveats. The limits you're complaining about have been known since this was announced. Just because you pay for an Omega account, that doesn't entitle you to run any number of free accounts on the side simultaneously. Do you have any idea how quickly and easily such a feature would be exploited to mess up the balance of the game? There's a damn good reason why you have to pay to have multiple accounts online at a time. You call people 'fanbois' as if anyone that disagrees with you or is against you on this is one. Which is how I know you're hurling it around as a pejorative, and don't actually understand the meaning of the word, but I'll let you in on a little secret: fanboi is not synonymous with wrong, and as long as you continue to act like a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum, hurling pejoratives around like that is about as meaningful as a child screaming "I hate you!" at his parents after being disciplined for doing something wrong. Grow up. The fact that CCP has given away anything for free, anything at all, is ******* mindblowing, and you wanna sit there and whine about it? Get the **** out of here. Seriously, put your money where your mouth is, unsubscribe, biomass, and get the **** out of here. No one is going to miss you and your one little paid account.
rage much?
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.11.20 10:03:38 -
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7Genius wrote:CCP fanbois out in full force.
Present!
So stop paying for EvE and have fun in your alpha clone. Contract your shinies to me at www.ccpfanboi.com.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.11.20 10:05:36 -
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7Genius wrote:As a paying customer for this game I think it is pretty disparaging that we can't have one Omega and one Alpha clone (an alt account) logged in simultaneously.
I figure since I am now one of the people supporting this game and have been for 9 years, I was very disappointed to learn that I can not have an alpha clone logged in at the same time as my Omega. Maybe you don't appreciate your paid customers support, maybe this hasn't come up as an issue for you yet but it's not exactly fair for those of us who pay for the game to not have access to at least on Alpha clone.
As far as I see it if I am paying for an Omega account I should still be able to access at least one Alpha, can you please respond to the community of paying players on this.
Every subbed player would have a gimped little alt in a Gnosis following him around, literally every subbed player. That would be a bad change and as such isn't allowed. I'm sure you understand how giving every subbed player a free alt was not the point of this F2P trial thing.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2016.11.20 10:08:22 -
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Agondray wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:7Genius wrote:Fatima Foont wrote:Yeah since you have been playing 9 years you know that trial accounts can't play with subs. F2P is a trial. That is not the way it is being advertised to new players. Everything I have read is "EVE is free" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQciMy_Pr0Q here is the trailer I guess that is just not the case for people who actually pay for the game. Show me one thing you've read that claims "EVE is free" without any caveats. The limits you're complaining about have been known since this was announced. Just because you pay for an Omega account, that doesn't entitle you to run any number of free accounts on the side simultaneously. Do you have any idea how quickly and easily such a feature would be exploited to mess up the balance of the game? There's a damn good reason why you have to pay to have multiple accounts online at a time. You call people 'fanbois' as if anyone that disagrees with you or is against you on this is one. Which is how I know you're hurling it around as a pejorative, and don't actually understand the meaning of the word, but I'll let you in on a little secret: fanboi is not synonymous with wrong, and as long as you continue to act like a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum, hurling pejoratives around like that is about as meaningful as a child screaming "I hate you!" at his parents after being disciplined for doing something wrong. Grow up. The fact that CCP has given away anything for free, anything at all, is ******* mindblowing, and you wanna sit there and whine about it? Get the **** out of here. Seriously, put your money where your mouth is, unsubscribe, biomass, and get the **** out of here. No one is going to miss you and your one little paid account. rage much?
I'm sorry, was there a point of any merit you were trying to make, some kind of refutation maybe, in your snide little cookie-cutter attempt at trolling?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Rroff
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.20 12:57:23 -
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Keno Skir wrote: Every subbed player would have a gimped little alt in a Gnosis following him around, literally every subbed player. That would be a bad change and as such isn't allowed. I'm sure you understand how giving every subbed player a free alt was not the point of this F2P trial thing.
While I can see the negatives of making an alt essential for normal gameplay - on the other hand a game like eve thrives when there are a lot of characters logged in and active whether that is 2 real players or 1 real player with 2 characters - some kind of happy medium wouldn't be a bad thing. |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.11.20 13:07:19 -
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Rroff wrote:Keno Skir wrote: Every subbed player would have a gimped little alt in a Gnosis following him around, literally every subbed player. That would be a bad change and as such isn't allowed. I'm sure you understand how giving every subbed player a free alt was not the point of this F2P trial thing.
While I can see the negatives of making an alt essential for normal gameplay - on the other hand a game like eve thrives when there are a lot of characters logged in and active whether that is 2 real players or 1 real player with 2 characters - some kind of happy medium wouldn't be a bad thing.
There already is a happy medium. Currently people who want an alt logged in at the same time as them have to pay for it, preventing it from becoming "too" out of hand. A free alt for every player doubles (minimum) the number of accounts logged in, doubling server load and halving resource abundance in return for exactly 0 increase in investment in the game and CCP.
You see Alpha clones are good because while free, a few of them have the potential to become paying subscribers which offsets the potential extra server load of letting them all test the game out.
Giving a free alpha clone to every subbed player too just crowds the servers for next to no potential profit.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2016.11.20 16:06:31 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:It was also impossible before this change, to have a trial account and a subscribed account logged in together.
Why is it such an issue all of a sudden? I used to have no issues with logging in on a trial account while a subbed account was online. The other way round didn't work though.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Maximus Corp The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2016.11.20 16:09:25 -
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7Genius wrote: As far as I see it if I am paying for an Omega account I should still be able to access at least one Alpha, can you please respond to the community of paying players on this.
I've never seen so much entitlement in one sentence.
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Keno Skir
963
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Posted - 2016.11.20 16:31:15 -
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:7Genius wrote: As far as I see it if I am paying for an Omega account I should still be able to access at least one Alpha, can you please respond to the community of paying players on this.
I've never seen so much entitlement in one sentence. You get what you pay for
Totes
Feel like the "community of paying players" are most likely just laughing at such entitled whining.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1196
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Posted - 2016.11.20 16:45:24 -
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5/10. I'll paraphrase SurrenderMonkey here, because I can't find the original quote but it was brilliant.
You've gotten something for free but you've somehow managed to convince yourself that you've been ripped off.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
538
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Posted - 2016.11.20 17:12:16 -
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7Genius wrote:
I guess that is just not the case for people who actually pay for the game.
you pay for one account.
this gives you access to one char at a time. why are you confused?
you don't need a trial as you've played 9 years already and you're active so not a returning player.
what you want is a free alt.
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Fatima Foont
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Posted - 2016.11.20 17:20:15 -
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Apparently "paying" (a term OP uses ad nauseum) entitles one to anything they might desire. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.20 18:39:35 -
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Id be ok with each one Omega account being able to fly one Alpha account simultaneously.
My reason for this, is that the potential of especially a new player to create and engage in content is dramatically greater as a result, whilst subbing Omega account for its benefits, and supported by an impaired/restricted Alpha.
Require that Alpha account be registered to the same email address as the attached Omega account, in order to use them simultaneously.
When sub expires, you can only fly one of them as Alpha till you resub either one.
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Pendra Tahyan
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2016.11.20 19:08:46 -
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There are tons of reasons why being able to log onto a Omega and an Alpha account at the same time would be a horrible thing and I would say game balance is the most important.
Not only would it be a kick in the nutz of Players who have paid for more then one Omega Account but it would also give Omega players even more of an edge over Alphas then is already the case.
Note that I'm only playing on one account myself and thus would be able to take advantage of a free simultaneous Alpha account but I wouldn-¦t find that fair to those who have paid for the same thing and thus say no to this idea. |
Salvos Rhoska
1575
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Posted - 2016.11.20 19:23:19 -
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1) Your Omega account receives its benefits in terms of SP and no skill restrictions. That had been paid for. 2) Your Alpha is restricted in SP and skill use. 3) Your argument in hat t it would be unfair to Omega accounts, is met by these arguments: -- An Omega account, in my proposal, can fly an Alpha alongside. Hence you have the benefit of the Alpha, for free, to support your Omega accounts activities. --An Alpha account player, without an associated Omega account, does not. 4) As an Omega, you get a free Alpha to run alongside it. 5) As an Alpha, they get only their Alpha ship, with its restrictions, for free. 6) The Alpha player is not paying anything. You, as an Omega, are. 7) To invert your argument of it being "unfair" for an Alpha player, paying nothing, to be at a disadvantage, is that not irrational? They can fly their Alpha for nothing, whereas you pay to fly your Omega. 8) Should you also not get the benefit of flying an Alpha for FREE too? Wince Alpha costs nothing, does it not make sense to be able to fly one for free, as they do, in addition to PAYING to fly your Omega?
TLDR: Alphas fly a FREE service. As it is FREE, should that FREE option not be i cluded in a PAYED option as well, since it is FREE?
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2016.11.21 02:24:44 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Alphas fly a FREE service. As it is FREE, should that FREE option not be included in a PAYED option as well, since it is FREE?
No, because it's not there for the benefit of people who are already paying.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.21 13:26:23 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Alphas fly a FREE service. As it is FREE, should that FREE option not be included in a PAYED option as well, since it is FREE?
No, because it's not there for the benefit of people who are already paying. r
Purpose is subjective, mutable and interpretable. The purpose of a toilet is for waste disposal, but you can also use it as a seat or a water source in an emergency.
Consider the following example: -You are in a store that is offering free smaller, less packaged/perfect samples of their product. -You consume a sample, and enjoy it. -You buy the product at full price. -You ask if you can still have a free sample. -They respond, "no, because you bought the product". -Meanwhile you watch as other customers who have not paid ANYTHING yet continue to gorge themselves on the free samples. -But you cant.
Do you see what I mean?
As I proposed, and outlined, Omega accounts should ideally have access to ONE alpha account, as long as that alpha account is registered to the same Email account as the subbed Omega. When the Omegas sub expires, the client returns to the standard rules, and you will only be able to fly one or the other of the now alpha accounts.
Its not rational, that when ypu pay for a product, you lose access to the free product others enjoy without paying anything.
Its FREE. Ergo, costs nothing. Its not rational to lose access to a free service, when you PAY.
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Sameli Adelora
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.11.21 13:50:13 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Alphas fly a FREE service. As it is FREE, should that FREE option not be included in a PAYED option as well, since it is FREE?
No, because it's not there for the benefit of people who are already paying. r Purpose is subjective, mutable and interpretable. The purpose of a toilet is for waste disposal, but you can also use it as a seat or a water source in an emergency. Consider the following example: -You are in a store that is offering free smaller, less packaged/perfect samples of their product. -You consume a sample, and enjoy it. -You buy the product at full price. -You ask if you can still have a free sample. -They respond, "no, because you bought the product". -Meanwhile you watch as other customers who have not paid ANYTHING yet continue to gorge themselves on the free samples. -But you cant. Do you see what I mean? As I proposed, and outlined, Omega accounts should ideally have access to ONE alpha account, as long as that alpha account is registered to the same Email account as the subbed Omega. When the Omegas sub expires, the client returns to the standard rules, and you will only be able to fly one or the other of the now alpha accounts. Its not rational, that when ypu pay for a service, you lose access to the free service offer others enjoy without paying anything, especially in this situation, since the alpha accounts cost CCP nothing (nor do they provide any revenue) and more total accounts looks good for the game and its statistics, as well as retaining more players/content. Its FREE. Ergo, costs nothing. Its not rational to lose access to a free service, when you PAY.
While I do think that omegas should be allowed to have an alpha logged in at the same time, I do see where it could and would be a problem. Also this is basically how everything works: Take Directv for example, new customers get free HBO and Skinamax, a lower rate, and NFL Sunday ticket, while the customer that has been there for 10 years gets disconnected is they are late on there payment. At least in eve you can still play with limited skills, Directv doesn't even give you local channels.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7973
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Posted - 2016.11.21 14:15:36 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Alphas fly a FREE service. As it is FREE, should that FREE option not be included in a PAYED option as well, since it is FREE?
No, because it's not there for the benefit of people who are already paying. r Purpose is subjective, mutable and interpretable. The purpose of a toilet is for waste disposal, but you can also use it as a seat or a water source in an emergency. Consider the following example: -You are in a store that is offering free smaller, less packaged/perfect samples of their product. -You consume a sample, and enjoy it. -You buy the product at full price. -You ask if you can still have a free sample. -They respond, "no, because you bought the product". -Meanwhile you watch as other customers who have not paid ANYTHING yet continue to gorge themselves on the free samples. -But you cant. Do you see what I mean? As I proposed, and outlined, Omega accounts should ideally have access to ONE alpha account, as long as that alpha account is registered to the same Email account as the subbed Omega. When the Omegas sub expires, the client returns to the standard rules, and you will only be able to fly one or the other of the now alpha accounts. Its not rational, that when ypu pay for a service, you lose access to the free service offer others enjoy without paying anything, especially in this situation, since the alpha accounts cost CCP nothing (nor do they provide any revenue) and more total accounts looks good for the game and its statistics, as well as retaining more players/content. Its FREE. Ergo, costs nothing. Its not rational to lose access to a free service, when you PAY. If anything, allowing one Alpha per Omega account would increase subscription rates, because it makes Omega that much more valuable/practical. Id argue that an Omega player that has access to an Alpha as well, is more likely to get attached to that account, and potentially buy a sub for it too in future, especially once its basic SP limit is full. Remember that the Alphas themself cost nothing for CCP, provide no revenue, and improve account figures. Omegas are already the paying customers. Providing them an Alpha option makes them more likely to invest more money, and they nominally are the most likely market to have funds with which to pay.
I'm going to assume you just decided to ignore the point I made, and reiterate it for you.
Alpha accounts are not there for the benefit of people who are already paying. Ie, those already willing to subscribe to get the full experience. Comprender? Intellegitis? Look, I'll make this really simple for you. If you want to run more than one account, you have to pay, it's that simple. If you want to play for free, CCP are generously allowing you to do so with limitations, because why the actual **** should they give you more than they have? "Its not rational to lose access to a free service, when you PAY" I hear you shout. Well, that's not what's being offered, is it, so that's all the rationale you need. Don't like it? Too ******* bad. Being able to run more than one account is just like any other feature of EVE online not on the 'freebie' menu.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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