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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.11.20 23:42:42 -
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I just got an evemail stating I have been war-decced. I am a single-person corp (so I don't have to pay taxes to the default NPC corp.) This has never happened to me before.
I live in high-sec. I have no structures. I own no territory. My stuff is all in high-sec stations.
So what exactly is the point, and for how long can it go on? I assume I should probably keep a sharp eye out for war targets if I go out missioning? And perhaps this puts a crimp on me being able to start doing incursions (for the safety of the fleet?)
Is this someone who wants to trolling me, maybe because they saw somewhere on a forum I'm thinking about incursions? Is now the time to spend a few weeks in my cloaky exploration clone making some money out in nullsec?
Would love advice on what to expect and what not to do. Normally I spend 90% of my time doing lvl4's in high-sec... |
Varcutii Renalard
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Posted - 2016.11.21 00:02:49 -
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The Larold wrote: This has never happened to me before.
Date of Birth: 2007-10-27 05:32
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
249
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Posted - 2016.11.21 00:11:32 -
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The point is to find you and to kill you. And if the want to pay enough it can go on forever.
Do you love to pvp? Then stay in your corp and expect them to find you.
If not, close your corp and make a new one. Then you only have to worry about loot thiefs or suicide ganker or marked scammer or mtu shooter or baiter ... Have fun.
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen.
Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher.
Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
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Mr Chili Palmer
Silver Haze
181
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Posted - 2016.11.21 00:17:07 -
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if it were me i would fly with an empty head and use cheap ships, set your overview to show your enemy and try to carry on as normally as possible. Some players leave corps while war decced, some sit in a station, Have fun :)
"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"
"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19168
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Posted - 2016.11.21 00:31:00 -
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never heard of these lads before Nipple Facee Corporation
5 lads, they seem to like fecking around in battleships near ish to jita SystemKills 1. Inaya Inaya 2. Oijanen Oijanen 3. Messoya Messoya 4. Josameto Josameto 5. Obanen Obanen
imho if you just avoid the area thy're never going to see you. by the looks of it theyre just camping the pipe , catching people running to/from jita.
punch them into https://zkillboard.com and have a look for yourself if you fancy.
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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
57
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Posted - 2016.11.21 01:00:18 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:The point is to find you and to kill you. And if the want to pay enough it can go on forever. Do you love to pvp? Then stay in your corp and expect them to find you. If not, close your corp and make a new one. Then you only have to worry about loot thiefs or suicide ganker or marked scammer or mtu shooter or baiter ... Have fun.
Since it costs 50mil to war dec a single-player corp, could I effectively reverse-troll them by constantly shutting down my corp and starting a new one every time they war dec me? |
Memphis Baas
2294
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Posted - 2016.11.21 01:04:45 -
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You can do that.
You can also pay some money and hire some allies to help you defend / actually attack them back in full force. Costs some ISK.
As suggested above you can avoid the wardec by leaving your corp.
Or stay in station for a week or two.
People wardec because they're bored and they're looking for action in a game that's supposed to be full of PVP. And actually they're looking for easy kills, cause otherwise they'd go to lowsec or null if they wanted real PVP.
You can deny them the action by avoiding the war, or deny them the "easy" by hiring competent allies.
EDIT: Or go fight. Lose a few ships, maybe have some fun.
EDIT2: Make an alt, inject some skillpoints, train the corp management skills, make the alt the CEO. I always suggest making an alt the CEO so you can leave corp with your main and still keep the corp. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19170
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Posted - 2016.11.21 01:05:23 -
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The Larold wrote:Mark O'Helm wrote:The point is to find you and to kill you. And if the want to pay enough it can go on forever. Do you love to pvp? Then stay in your corp and expect them to find you. If not, close your corp and make a new one. Then you only have to worry about loot thiefs or suicide ganker or marked scammer or mtu shooter or baiter ... Have fun. Since it costs 50mil to war dec a single-player corp, could I effectively reverse-troll them by constantly shutting down my corp and starting a new one every time they war dec me? yes
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Sere O'Asis
Summer Evenings and Autumn Skies
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Posted - 2016.11.21 01:15:45 -
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The first thing to assess is: how likely are my war deccers to find me?
Break that down: 1. Look at their killboard.
2. Where are their kills? Do they travel? Stay in one area? Are they in areas you frequent?
3. What time do their kills take place? Do your game play times overlap? Are they 12 hours apart?
Another area to assess: War History
1. How many wars have they had?
2. Are they the aggressors? Or aggreived?
3. If they are the aggressors? Do their kills include NPCs? They may be specifically targeting pve players.
A Third area to assess: Ally Offers/Ransom Demands
1. Have you gotten ally offers dependent upon payment?
2. Are there surrender terms listed anywhere? Corp bios? Emails you may have received?
This may be an isk making opportunity on the war deccers part.
Once you've thought about the circumstances, you can make an informed choice as to what action to take. Whether that action is to fold your corp and establish a new corp, or go on about your business, or fight back.
As to why you personally were war decced?
Your war deccers noticed either you or your corp. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
250
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Posted - 2016.11.21 01:22:17 -
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The Larold wrote:Mark O'Helm wrote:The point is to find you and to kill you. And if the want to pay enough it can go on forever. Do you love to pvp? Then stay in your corp and expect them to find you. If not, close your corp and make a new one. Then you only have to worry about loot thiefs or suicide ganker or marked scammer or mtu shooter or baiter ... Have fun. Since it costs 50mil to war dec a single-player corp, could I effectively reverse-troll them by constantly shutting down my corp and starting a new one every time they war dec me? That is exactly what i do. Take a look at my corp history.
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Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher.
Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)
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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
57
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Posted - 2016.11.21 02:01:07 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote: That is exactly what i do. Take a look at my corp history.
Cool. I'll take a look at your history.
Silly question - do they pay the 50 million at the time of war dec or do they pay it 24 hours later when the war goes live? If I shut down before the war goes live, are they still out the ISK or do they get some kind of refund?
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Sere O'Asis
Summer Evenings and Autumn Skies
123
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Posted - 2016.11.21 02:04:57 -
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They pay at the beginning. They're out the isk right now. |
The Larold
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2016.11.21 02:39:40 -
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Thanks for the advice folks. Something confusing happened just now.
- When I resigned as CEO, it said the corp would go away, which is what I want. It then sent me a message that the corp surrendered to the war-deccers. Does that penalize me in any way?
Also, why can't I form a new corp? I filled in the details, paid the fee, and the fee was taken out of my wallet, but then immediately it was put back in full. If there is a timer, is there a way to see how much time is left on it? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6514
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Posted - 2016.11.21 06:04:07 -
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They wardec'd my corp. Nobody was online at the time.
I'd have attribute the reason for the wardec to it being a Sunday. Ya, that was probably was the reason.
Seriously, if you live in hisec long enough, you are going to get wardec'd for some good reason, or none at all.
I'll just keep on doing what I do, but a little more cautiously. If I lose some ships, or a whole lot of ships, I just hope there's a good story to tell, and a pretty explosion (apparently CCP updated those in Ascension).
"Our creedo is to live fast, fight well, and have a beautiful ending." - Saint Exmin of the Valkyrie
I see you dropped-corp to an NPC corp. That's a bit extreme in my opinion. Good luck though. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
57332
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Posted - 2016.11.21 07:09:17 -
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Memphis Baas wrote: EDIT2: Make an alt, inject some skillpoints, train the corp management skills, make the alt the CEO. I always suggest making an alt the CEO so you can leave corp with your main and still keep the corp.
This right here is what you should do. The alt character doesn't have to be on a second account, it can be one of the character slots on your main account. After the alt is CEO, just let it sit in station and go back to playing your main character. When your Corp get's WarDec, leave it and when the WarDec is over, just rejoin your Corp.
Large Corps that WarDec small one member Corps are nothing more than Griefer Corps looking to pad their KillBoard stats. They always look for easy kills which is why your one man corp was WarDec.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
788
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Posted - 2016.11.21 18:04:49 -
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Just don't go in HS for a week. Wardeccing corps typically never follow people out of HS. |
mkint
1234
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Posted - 2016.11.21 18:37:07 -
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I'd take it the other way. Usually wardec corps have several wars running at a time. Figure out which of their targets looks least likely to be a pushover, and ask to fleet up. Offer to be bait or something, or use a cloaky, alts, and locator agents to run intel. Wardec corps really hate it when they lose.
Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun.
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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2016.11.21 19:34:33 -
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Expect lots of station spinning or explosions!!!
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2692
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Posted - 2016.11.21 21:22:43 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Large Corps that WarDec small one member Corps are nothing more than Griefer Corps looking to pad their KillBoard stats. They always look for easy kills which is why your one man corp was WarDec.
DMC
This is a pretty bad attitude for Eve and victim-like thinking really shouldn't be encouraged.
They're not griefers, and you're not being "griefed", OP. Griefing, in fact, is explicitly against the rules.
Eve has a fairly open set of rules with respect to PvP, wherein virtually everyone is "fair game". They are simply playing the game in the fashion they enjoy.
Generally speaking, it is healthier to handle wardecs in the same manner as severe inclement weather. Plan ahead, be prepared, accept that **** happens, and that there's no sense in being mad about it.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
791
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Posted - 2016.11.21 21:26:02 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:This is a pretty bad attitude for Eve and victim-like thinking really shouldn't be encouraged.
They're not griefers, and you're not being "griefed", OP. Griefing, in fact, is explicitly against the rules.
Eve has a fairly open set of rules with respect to PvP, wherein virtually everyone is "fair game". They are simply playing the game in the fashion they enjoy.
Generally speaking, it is healthier to handle wardecs in the same manner as severe inclement weather. Plan ahead, be prepared, accept that **** happens, and that there's no sense in being mad about it.
Agreed...I've played mainly solo for a few months now due to real life issues, and never really die. EVE is a game where hunting *anyone* is valid, so if you aren't part of a powerful group hunting, be alert and accept you're the mouse in a game of cat-and-mouse. Given the intel you get through the map, local chat and d-scan, it's very, very hard to die in HS if you're paying attention. |
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Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1080
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Posted - 2016.11.21 22:32:01 -
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Many people fly in Wormholes or Nullsec on a regular basis, where they can be attacked by anyone at any time, and they still manage to thrive. If you got wardecced, it's best to treat highsec as if it were nullsec, just without bubbles: Travel light, Keep an eye on local, be aligned and ready to warp out when making money in space, scout gates if you need to jump in something expensive, be prepared to get pulverized if caught. Don't assume you can hide from an enemy who wants to kill you, and don't assume your enemy won't hunt you down, even if they are known to just camp pipes and tradehubs - sometimes they may just get bored. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
57344
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Posted - 2016.11.22 02:46:29 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:This is a pretty bad attitude for Eve and victim-like thinking really shouldn't be encouraged.
They're not griefers, and you're not being "griefed", OP. Griefing, in fact, is explicitly against the rules.
Eve has a fairly open set of rules with respect to PvP, wherein virtually everyone is "fair game". They are simply playing the game in the fashion they enjoy.
Generally speaking, it is healthier to handle wardecs in the same manner as severe inclement weather. Plan ahead, be prepared, accept that **** happens, and that there's no sense in being mad about it. Agreed...I've played mainly solo for a few months now due to real life issues, and never really die. EVE is a game where hunting *anyone* is valid, so if you aren't part of a powerful group hunting, be alert and accept you're the mouse in a game of cat-and-mouse. Given the intel you get through the map, local chat and d-scan, it's very, very hard to die in HS if you're paying attention. Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on both of you. Your replies are just more of the 'Smoke & Mirrors' propaganda crap that has caused a lot of players in the past to unsub. I don't care if you don't like or accept it but in the last 4 years Eve Online has turned into Grief Online. The CCP rule on Grief play is tough to prove, especially on those who use Role Play and Content Creation as an excuse for their actions.
I've been playing this game for over 8 years now and have watched the general mentality in-game turn from being helpful to being spiteful. Truth be told, there's no reason whatsoever for a large corp to WarDec a small one man corp that has no holdings in high sec other than to grief it, plain and simple. They know they can get easy kills since the one man corp isn't a threat and when it surrenders or disbands, it makes their corp history look good.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1067
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:23:35 -
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OP no one has answered the question why did you get war decced? The answer is simple you exists and therefore you get war decced.
DMC pretty much covers the rest of the reasons so read his post. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19210
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Posted - 2016.11.22 14:28:56 -
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Donnachadh wrote:OP no one has answered the question why did you get war decced?
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:by the looks of it theyre just camping the pipe , catching people running to/from jita.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3110
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Posted - 2016.11.22 15:37:23 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: I've been playing this game for over 8 years now and have watched the general mentality in-game turn from being helpful to being spiteful.
BS, you are poisoned by the environment you are living in ... highsec. I know what I'm talking about, I'm residing there too, one can easily adopt a victim's attitude while playing there.
My recommendation, do what ever is necessary to deny the wardeccers content or reverse and take the content to them.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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The Larold
Living in Silicon Valley Is Too Expensive
61
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Posted - 2016.11.22 15:42:11 -
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In the end, I decided I like trolling trollers too much. I have no emotional attachment to my one-man corp identity, and I couldn't care less what their war history looks like. (If I surrender and it looks good, who cares.) If I had any PvP experience, I'd go after them 100%.
But I don't, so I trolled back. I paid a simple 1.5 million to install a new corp and cost them 50 million with no financial gain to show for it. Does this scale? Probably not. But I'll worry about then when 50 corps war dec me at the same time. Even then, I honestly love station-trading in Jita. :)
Thanks for the thoughts everyone - much appreciated.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
791
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Posted - 2016.11.22 15:55:45 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on both of you. Your replies are just more of the 'Smoke & Mirrors' propaganda crap that has caused a lot of players in the past to unsub. I don't care if you don't like or accept it but in the last 4 years Eve Online has turned into Grief Online. The CCP rule on Grief play is tough to prove, especially on those who use Role Play and Content Creation as an excuse for their actions.
I've been playing this game for over 8 years now and have watched the general mentality in-game turn from being helpful to being spiteful. Truth be told, there's no reason whatsoever for a large corp to WarDec a small one man corp that has no holdings in high sec other than to grief it, plain and simple. They know they can get easy kills since the one man corp isn't a threat and when it surrenders or disbands, it makes their corp history look good.
DMC
I've played mainly solo in WHs and NS for years and rarely die. Intel is very easy in this game, especially now that d-scan is bound to your keyboard. Sure there is no reason for a large corp to wardec a one man corp, but they can go right ahead. I just don't leave j-space or null for that week.
I'm not saying you don't have good points, but I don't consider it griefing. I think HS PvP has attracted a crowd that wants easy kills, both in terms of wardecs and ganking. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't enjoy that playstyle, so I rarely am in HS. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5933
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Posted - 2016.11.23 04:12:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Large Corps that WarDec small one member Corps are nothing more than Griefer Corps looking to pad their KillBoard stats. They always look for easy kills which is why your one man corp was WarDec.
DMC
This is a pretty bad attitude for Eve and victim-like thinking really shouldn't be encouraged. They're not griefers, and you're not being "griefed", OP. Griefing, in fact, is explicitly against the rules. Eve has a fairly open set of rules with respect to PvP, wherein virtually everyone is "fair game". They are simply playing the game in the fashion they enjoy. Generally speaking, it is healthier to handle wardecs in the same manner as severe inclement weather. Plan ahead, be prepared, accept that **** happens, and that there's no sense in being mad about it.
Exactly this.
I've decced a few corps.
When I was more active I was part of a small corp (~8 regular players) that would wardec comparable sized or slightly larger industrial-focused corps (typically 10-80 members), and hunt them looking for fights and loot. I would often fly logistics.
The most effective tactic against us was when people fleeted up in cheap ships and focused fire on one of us. We'd get lots of 10 million ISK killmails, and they might get one or two 500 million ISK killmails. Lots of fun fights on both sides, however, and those corps earned our respect.
The other effective tactic was to retreat to a temporary base outside highsec. We would follow, but we would not field expensive ships because you might have the capacity to escalate to capitals (and we did not). We would be less able to adapt to your tactics and it was just more effort to get a fight. Remember, as highsec aggressors, our goal is to get fights (and ideally loot) without extensive hunting and scouting.
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Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
653
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Posted - 2016.11.23 04:34:32 -
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The Larold wrote:Mark O'Helm wrote:The point is to find you and to kill you. And if the want to pay enough it can go on forever. Do you love to pvp? Then stay in your corp and expect them to find you. If not, close your corp and make a new one. Then you only have to worry about loot thiefs or suicide ganker or marked scammer or mtu shooter or baiter ... Have fun. Since it costs 50mil to war dec a single-player corp, could I effectively reverse-troll them by constantly shutting down my corp and starting a new one every time they war dec me? ...OR you could grow a pair, get a PvP ship and go after them. Trust me, they probably wouldn't expect that and you go all psycho on them to teach them a lesson.
That is what I would do...
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