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Skarlock Tremillion
Angry Rampant Space Gerbils
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Posted - 2016.11.21 10:10:11 -
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I still find it odd that unlike every other weapon system which has a rig to boost damage output, drones only have a Sentry Damage Augmentor, yet nothing to assist small, medium and heavy drone damage output.
All I would like to suggest is that to bring drones into line with every other weapon system, this rig is changed. Quite simply rename it to Drone Damage Augmentor and make it compatible with all drones, not just sentry drones.
The rationale is there's little reason not to do this, given Sentry Drones are more powerful already, primarily because they do not require to fly to the target to attack even without a rig bonus. Giving the option to boost damage for other drones via a rig would make 'drone boats' fall more in line with other primary ship weapon systems. As it is, I find even well fitted drone boats that do not use sentry drones to be considerably slower to complete fights than missiles boats (I haven't trained up laser or projectile weapons to the point that I can make a good comparison, but have seen them in action). |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
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Posted - 2016.11.21 11:10:58 -
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The only reason this is not the case is because the Drone rigs are a complete mess. So many stupid, niche choices (niche is being kind). Supported.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Skarlock Tremillion
Angry Rampant Space Gerbils
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Posted - 2016.11.21 11:21:49 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:The only reason this is not the case is because the Drone rigs are a complete mess. So many stupid, niche choices (niche is being kind). Supported.
I agree, they really all need to be looked at.
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Cristl
511
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Posted - 2016.11.21 16:25:32 -
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Skarlock Tremillion wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:The only reason this is not the case is because the Drone rigs are a complete mess. So many stupid, niche choices (niche is being kind). Supported. I agree, they really all need to be looked at. Sh..sh..surely not even the Small Stasis Drone Augmentors? Imagine how useless our light webbing drones would be without those! Think of the little ones! |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
465
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Posted - 2016.11.21 17:07:15 -
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Skarlock Tremillion wrote:I still find it odd that unlike every other weapon system which has a rig to boost damage output, drones only have a Sentry Damage Augmentor, yet nothing to assist small, medium and heavy drone damage output.
All I would like to suggest is that to bring drones into line with every other weapon system, this rig is changed. Quite simply rename it to Drone Damage Augmentor and make it compatible with all drones, not just sentry drones.
The rationale is there's little reason not to do this, given Sentry Drones are more powerful already, primarily because they do not require to fly to the target to attack even without a rig bonus. Giving the option to boost damage for other drones via a rig would make 'drone boats' fall more in line with other primary ship weapon systems. As it is, I find even well fitted drone boats that do not use sentry drones to be considerably slower to complete fights than missiles boats (I haven't trained up laser or projectile weapons to the point that I can make a good comparison, but have seen them in action).
I agree in spirit, but not in the details.
I'd rather not have an all-in-one rig. I'd rather have a rig for non-sentry damage drones... and hell, add in EW, salvage, and mining potency rigs for drones as well.
I like the option of separating sentry and regular drones for rigs. This makes the pilot make a useful choice when fitting a ship: Use mixed drones and mixed rigs, use mixed drones and only rig for one type, or use and rig for one drone type.
Choices make games more interesting.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2339
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Posted - 2016.11.21 17:20:02 -
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I'm not sure the game has quite balanced out since the ill thought out introduction of drone rigs. Sure, it isn't ishtars online anymore, but that poor poor ship got nerfed into oblivion based on the perils of the drone rigs. Adding damage rigs to the mix would just make it gilas online until they punish that ship for something it didn't do. OR that despicable dramiel will rear its risk averse kiting head once again. THAT isn't something any of us would enjoy long term.
Drone rigs are almost unbroken at the moment (at the expense of the Ishtar and a few other ships) I vote we don't open that door and break more perfectly good ships. |
Skarlock Tremillion
Angry Rampant Space Gerbils
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Posted - 2016.11.21 20:47:36 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I'm not sure the game has quite balanced out since the ill thought out introduction of drone rigs. Sure, it isn't ishtars online anymore, but that poor poor ship got nerfed into oblivion based on the perils of the drone rigs. Adding damage rigs to the mix would just make it gilas online until they punish that ship for something it didn't do. OR that despicable dramiel will rear its risk averse kiting head once again. THAT isn't something any of us would enjoy long term.
Drone rigs are almost unbroken at the moment (at the expense of the Ishtar and a few other ships) I vote we don't open that door and break more perfectly good ships.
They already punished Gila's. We lost a low slot a few patches back.
As for the Ishtar, I now fly mine with a pair of Geckos, a pair of Augmented Valkyries and an Augmented Acolyte. It's very different to use than the old sentry builds, but I think more interesting. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
895
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Posted - 2016.11.21 22:19:51 -
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Skarlock Tremillion wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:I'm not sure the game has quite balanced out since the ill thought out introduction of drone rigs. Sure, it isn't ishtars online anymore, but that poor poor ship got nerfed into oblivion based on the perils of the drone rigs. Adding damage rigs to the mix would just make it gilas online until they punish that ship for something it didn't do. OR that despicable dramiel will rear its risk averse kiting head once again. THAT isn't something any of us would enjoy long term.
Drone rigs are almost unbroken at the moment (at the expense of the Ishtar and a few other ships) I vote we don't open that door and break more perfectly good ships. They already punished Gila's. We lost a low slot a few patches back. As for the Ishtar, I now fly mine with a pair of Geckos, a pair of Augmented Valkyries and an Augmented Acolyte. It's very different to use than the old sentry builds, but I think more interesting.
And gila could be punished again. Never underestimate CCP's willingness to double nerf a ship. I present to you drake...it got like most did in BC rebalance a few less than thrilling adjustments. HML was nerfed separately for the combo. A change directed at it...and tengu (as no one was saying omfg, HML loki and crap split weapon minmatar was wtf op lol).
Case of gila. You mentioned dropped low slot. If like current sentry rig, 15% damage boost (t2). DDA II is 20 %. Assume common passive gila, pull a purger, and there is the low slot back again in a way. Potential tank hit yes....worthwhile maybe if the damage works out (ye old tank by gank). And...it gets even better lights in the process.
I'd also be looking at worm here....where in theory I'd take the 15% in rigs to either replace a DDA or enhance it. As CCP...man.... they tore up that ship to "fix" it.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1481
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Posted - 2016.11.21 23:13:02 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:... Case of gila. You mentioned dropped low slot. If like current sentry rig, 15% damage boost (t2). DDA II is 20 %. Assume common passive gila, pull a purger, and there is the low slot back again in a way. Potential tank hit yes....worthwhile maybe if the damage works out (ye old tank by gank). And...it gets even better lights in the process.
I'd also be looking at worm here....where in theory I'd take the 15% in rigs to either replace a DDA or enhance it. As CCP...man.... they tore up that ship to "fix" it.
silly amputation because you could potentially fit 3x drone damage amplifier (but didn't have to).
By that logic we should remove all lows on the vindicator because you could 8x magstabs and 99% webs and get 3 trillion dps with 100% tracking shooting Void L which seems fine.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them.
This is the law of ship progression!
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3384
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:28:16 -
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you do know this will be a nerf to drones if added right?
BLOPS Hauler
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
179
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Posted - 2016.12.12 09:37:35 -
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Skarlock Tremillion wrote:I still find it odd that unlike every other weapon system which has a rig to boost damage output, drones only have a Sentry Damage Augmentor, yet nothing to assist small, medium and heavy drone damage output.
All I would like to suggest is that to bring drones into line with every other weapon system, this rig is changed. Quite simply rename it to Drone Damage Augmentor and make it compatible with all drones, not just sentry drones.
The rationale is there's little reason not to do this, given Sentry Drones are more powerful already, primarily because they do not require to fly to the target to attack even without a rig bonus. Giving the option to boost damage for other drones via a rig would make 'drone boats' fall more in line with other primary ship weapon systems. As it is, I find even well fitted drone boats that do not use sentry drones to be considerably slower to complete fights than missiles boats (I haven't trained up laser or projectile weapons to the point that I can make a good comparison, but have seen them in action).
Maybe they did this for a reason. Which could be called balancing.
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Iain Cariaba
3361
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Posted - 2016.12.12 11:53:11 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:you do know this will be a nerf to drones if added right? They didn't believe it about the freighter low slots, they aren't going to believe it now.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
EvE is a PvP game. Stop pretending it isn't.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
260
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Posted - 2016.12.13 00:45:13 -
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I think the primary balancing factor for drone boats is and should be increased versatility of fitting options due to the drones as a weapon system not taking up power, CPU, and high slots as much as traditional weapons.
Adding drone damage rigs would simply necessitate using drone damage rigs immediately as drones are extremely efficient damage projection as a weapon system, and allow you to brick the **** out of most any drone ship. This path leads to drone nerfs, which in turn leads to even more enforced reliance on drone rigs, which in turn takes away the fitting freedom (including rig slots) that makes drone ships different than pure gun and missile ships.
I do however agree with drone salvage and mining rigs, as the ships most likely to use these are already making some very interesting fitting decisions about yeild or salvage speed versus tank and align. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3393
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Posted - 2016.12.13 08:14:58 -
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you do know there is already a mining drone rig right? and salvage drones should always be weak so that salvagers are still useful
BLOPS Hauler
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
263
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Posted - 2016.12.13 23:20:44 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:you do know there is already a mining drone rig right? and salvage drones should always be weak so that salvagers are still useful
*looks*
Holy **** there is in fact a mining rig!
I think salvagers would continue to be useful despite the existence of salvager drone rigs as:
Not all ships have a drone bay.
Salvage tackle rigs exist.
Frigs exist that have bonuses specifically for salvagers.
Also the noctis is a thing.
Also destroyer salvage fits are a thing.
Also salvage drones can be used alongside salvagers on pretty much any ship that can launch salvage drones.
I want to fit a Salvagos with rigs for salvagers and salvage drones because the name sounds cool. |
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