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Anyone YouCan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.24 14:25:19 -
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Any one else sick of just being a glorified drone of the FC in large fleet fights? Follow the leader, "shoot target blehbleh". "Secondary BlehBleh". "Don't go off anchor BLEH BLEH BLEH". "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IN MY FLEET WITH THAT SHIP"
And my favorite "BROADCAST FOR REPS FASTER YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION ENOUGH" When the enemy are locking and alpha'ing our ships off field in under 3 server ticks.
Fix this crap CCP before all these new alphas realize just how crap fleet fights above 10v10 are. EVE is nothing like it's trailers. |
Baldy McNoHair
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.11.24 14:31:21 -
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Anyone YouCan wrote:Any one else sick of just being a glorified drone of the FC in large fleet fights? Follow the leader, "shoot target blehbleh". "Secondary BlehBleh". "Don't go off anchor BLEH BLEH BLEH". "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IN MY FLEET WITH THAT SHIP"
And my favorite "BROADCAST FOR REPS FASTER YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION ENOUGH" When the enemy are locking and alpha'ing our ships off field in under 3 server ticks.
Fix this crap CCP before all these new alphas realize just how crap fleet fights above 10v10 are. EVE is nothing like it's trailers.
Your fleets are being ran by CCP employees? If not, I'd talk to your CEO in game, or change the corporation, not blame CCP for players you encounter... |
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Maximus Corp The Volition Cult
6
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Posted - 2016.11.24 14:31:32 -
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What do you suggest? How is this something they can even fix?
IRL wars/battles have commanders, people who tell the grunts what to do.
Sounds like you need to join a new alliance if your fleet fights are that bad. Mine have been fun and non-stressful. Even in fleets of 10, you still have a FC. Those are the truly relaxing/fun fleets. |
Puss 1n Boots
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2016.11.24 14:42:54 -
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Anyone YouCan wrote:Any one else sick of just being a glorified drone of the FC in large fleet fights? Follow the leader, "shoot target blehbleh". "Secondary BlehBleh". "Don't go off anchor BLEH BLEH BLEH". "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IN MY FLEET WITH THAT SHIP"
And my favorite "BROADCAST FOR REPS FASTER YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION ENOUGH" When the enemy are locking and alpha'ing our ships off field in under 3 server ticks.
Fix this crap CCP before all these new alphas realize just how crap fleet fights above 10v10 are. EVE is nothing like it's trailers.
Actually this has nothing to do with CCP. It is the players that have developed that kind of play style for the sake of efficiency. Of course If your FC is crap than the outcome will be crap too. No matter what.
Btw this is how a soldier must feel. Soldiers win battles in wars yet generals are the one that get remembered. |
Vito Petrilli
Starcall Intergalactic Wicked Nations
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Posted - 2016.11.24 15:04:15 -
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Anyone YouCan wrote:Any one else sick of just being a glorified drone of the FC in large fleet fights? Follow the leader, "shoot target blehbleh". "Secondary BlehBleh". "Don't go off anchor BLEH BLEH BLEH". "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IN MY FLEET WITH THAT SHIP"
I couldn't help but read the blehs in Cartman's voice. |
Anyone YouCan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.24 15:29:29 -
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It's entirely CCP that needs to solve it. Because sooner or later people get sick of this being the END game.. When everything else is stripped away and you've got all your empire and ships and you've built you fortress in the stars it's this game play style that it all comes down to. And it needs to change. Because if you go ask people who played Eve for months, years even a decade and left i would wager that you can with exception of Real life reasons it's this crap tastic way of playing that they have got sick of. And it's down to CCP to sort it the hell out. Eve pvp is fantastic in solo or small groups. It is amazing in brawl engagements. But as soon as it becomes a big fight between two doctrines (the most efficient way to win) it is boring as crap. Often in tidi that compounds the issue and just makes you wish you never came along. You go into ANY big alliance and see if they dont constantly struggle to get people in fleets in the right ships doing as their FC tells them. Why? BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES THOSE FLEETS. Yes they are the most efficient. Yes that is the current mechanic.
NO that does not mean it is right or FUN. Until CCP fix it no matter the gimmick the game will be in decline. Because only fun games grow. |
Baldy McNoHair
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.11.24 15:40:52 -
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Anyone YouCan wrote:WAAAAAAHHHH
Please op, grow a brain, at least T1 one...
Seriously. If your alliance fleet doctrine does not suit you...you leave for a better one. Plain and simple. Just as you do not expect your government to crack down on your local grocery because that bitchy cashier told you off for cutting in line.
...or do you? |
Salvos Rhoska
1599
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Posted - 2016.11.24 15:42:51 -
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Perhaps become an FC yourself?
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Anyone YouCan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.24 15:47:36 -
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Kamil Woli+äski This game looks great on trailers but the actual gameplay is just so mindGÇônumbingly tedious. Like -+ Reply -+ 2 -+ 22 November at 19:16 Tony VanderHeyden Tony VanderHeyden It's MS Excel with a graphics card requirement. Like -+ Reply -+ 1 -+ 22 November at 22:18 James Robinson James Robinson PVP in this game is not tedious at all. I've never been so nervous in a game during my first few trips through sov null. Or through an unknown wormhole. Like -+ Reply -+ 22 November at 22:22 Kamil Woli+äski Kamil Woli+äski But the combat mechanics are so disappointing. Doesn't feel like commanding a space ship at all. Look up Fractured Space if you want to see how space combat should look like. Like -+ Reply -+ 22 November at 22:26 -+ Edited James Walker James Walker Fight in some of the wars I have been in an see what heart rate does lol Like -+ Reply -+ Yesterday at 01:21 Kamil Woli+äski Kamil Woli+äski But it's just zerg warfare with no soul. Target the ship your raidcaller tells you to, press once to enable all of your weapons, sit back and enjoy. Once you start taking damage enable the tanking device of your choice. Sure there may be some depth on the macroscale but the individual fights are incredibly bland and simple. Like -+ Reply -+ Yesterday at 01:34 -+ Edited
this is the response on facebook to the current Eve trailer on there that pops up. Nothing to do with me. Don't know these people. But perfect example of how the real people CCP wants to play Eve or wants to get back playing view it. Defend it all you want. You know deep down I am right. I've burst your immersion bubble now. Next time you go on a big fleet you will see it. how your just a drone of your FC. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3112
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Posted - 2016.11.24 15:48:42 -
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Why the hell you are flying with FCs in a big fleet as an F1 drone if you don't like it?? Just do what you like and is fun for you, and stop complaining about not having the balls to take on your own fate.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1100
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Posted - 2016.11.24 15:51:53 -
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Apparently the Center for Advanced Studies does not fit your playstyle. I recommend changing to a different corp. |
Anyone YouCan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.24 15:59:40 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Why the hell you are flying with FCs in a big fleet as an F1 drone if you don't like it?? Just do what you like and is fun for you, and stop complaining about not having the balls to take on your own fate.
I actually don't. My main is not that type of pilot. But that gameplay is unavoidable. If you want to achieve anything in EVE of note you need to band together with others and sooner or later play this way or at least support these fleets. I am sick of losing friends to it. I want CCP to change it because I see what it is dong to the game. I speak to people who don't go on these fleets and i ask why. I speak to people who have left and ask why. I know there is truly great and fun gameplay in EVE that is like no other. The problem is that EVE's big thing is internet spaceships and fleets of ships fighting. EVE's big problem is that its biggest catch is also not working in the most fun way possible.
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Salvos Rhoska
1599
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Posted - 2016.11.24 16:05:29 -
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So how exactly do you propose CCP "fix" this?
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Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1100
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Posted - 2016.11.24 16:15:42 -
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Just get out of nullsec, because that's pretty much the only place where this happens on a regular basis, and nullsec is only one facet of the game. Maybe find yourself a wormhole or become a lowsec pirate, do whatever you like. However, if you want to play with the big boys in null, want to have space and be part of a space empire, then yes, there will be big fleets. Big boys, big space, big empire, big fleets ... duh! |
Tyrana Sukarala
Special Judicial Squad
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Posted - 2016.11.24 16:25:50 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:So how exactly do you propose CCP "fix" this?
that was my thought exactly |
Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2016.11.24 16:30:02 -
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stop being bad at flying and the fc might tell you to "break anchor"
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3112
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Posted - 2016.11.24 16:33:31 -
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Second above, nullsec and sov is not everybody's cup of tea. But there are also a lot of groups out there, who put fun over efficiency and power. CCP is advertising faction warfare (as was posted) in the new NPE, which is a good thing. IMO nullsec can be a trap the same as highsec is. But as stated before, it's on you as an individual player to find out about and escape that trap. It's your decision which group you join, it's all player-made.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
160
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Posted - 2016.11.24 16:34:44 -
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OP, in your numerous posts to this thread you keep coming back to the point that being in a huge fleet getting yelled at by an FC is inevitable. How so?
I've been playing EVE on and off for over 10 years. I have never been in a fleet fight nor do I wish to. You say that fleet fighting is the "end game", maybe for you, it certainly isn't for me. As others here have said if you don't like that aspect of the game don't take part in it. I like making things so I'm an industrialist. You might be better exploring or living in WH space. I don't know. EVE is big enough that you can avoid things that you dislike so why all the anger? |
Salvos Rhoska
1600
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Posted - 2016.11.24 17:03:51 -
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1) Try LS/WH small gang PvP instead, to retain your own int+¿rest in the game.Or raiding enemy space if your alliance allows it. 2l Develop your skills and apply for an FC position yourself, or organize your own sub-lfeet according to your vision. 3) I know nothing about large battles in Null. Its just an area of EVE ive not yet gotten around to, but I find it hard to beleive that even the largest battle would not benefit from more granular commands, command structure and specialisation han simply calling F1 targets and broacasting for reps. 4) Im a military officer in reserve, trained to lead/organize 30 men including in combat situations. I have led units in other PvP games, just never in EVE. 5) Ive read a lot about the situation of F1 monkeys in NS combat. I assume its just the most efficient way to lead a bunch of monkeys/drones cos its simple and almost idiot-proof. 6) Its hard and time consuming to train people to work as a group and succinctly follow even simple orders. Especially if you arent commanding the same un it composition with the same people, everytime.
I asked you to elaborate on what you think would improve the situation you are concerned with. Ive never been there, so the only two options I can think of, is increasing TTK across the board so as to open more tactical options for FCs/fleets, or making balance more rock/scissor/paper. Both have significant negatives though, especially the latter.
My recommendation to you, is try to figure out a a smallish but effective fleet composition, that has some useful function, and motivate people to fly with you. Set specific goals and work to achieve them with your fleet. Assert your vision of how that fleet should operate as different to simple F1 monkeying, by how you lead it., and so the same guys learn your model. Once you have that setup, you can assign subcommanders to more effectively apply dps/repairs/boosts.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2016.11.24 17:09:56 -
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in general pvp in this game is way too much complicated for people to run around you need someone to focus the team effort it's important.
same as you I don't like the large fleet actions or combat pvp in general I find it horribly boring (hours or preparation followed by hours of searching targets followed by 20 seconds battle :X) |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5537
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Posted - 2016.11.24 17:28:34 -
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Anyone YouCan wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Why the hell you are flying with FCs in a big fleet as an F1 drone if you don't like it?? Just do what you like and is fun for you, and stop complaining about not having the balls to take on your own fate. I actually don't. My main is not that type of pilot. But that gameplay is unavoidable.
Sure it is, there are lots of people who have not been in big fleet fights....
This problem is not CCPs to solve; it is your problem to solve.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5537
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Posted - 2016.11.24 17:29:49 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:OP, in your numerous posts to this thread you keep coming back to the point that being in a huge fleet getting yelled at by an FC is inevitable. How so?
I've been playing EVE on and off for over 10 years. I have never been in a fleet fight nor do I wish to. You say that fleet fighting is the "end game", maybe for you, it certainly isn't for me. As others here have said if you don't like that aspect of the game don't take part in it. I like making things so I'm an industrialist. You might be better exploring or living in WH space. I don't know. EVE is big enough that you can avoid things that you dislike so why all the anger?
Or just being a solo hunter in NS looking for idiots to kill.
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
130
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Posted - 2016.11.24 17:39:08 -
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Maybe you should... look elsewhere for fun? You are describing one type of fight in one scenario. I've only been in 2, maybe 3, large battles in 5 years. If this email types of fights arent your thing, there are other areas of the game with combat. I participate in a lot of small fleets that are micromanagement heavy. It's a grough effort to keep ourselves safe. |
Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1102
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Posted - 2016.11.24 18:16:24 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:3) I know nothing about large battles in Null. Its just an area of EVE ive not yet gotten around to, but I find it hard to beleive that even the largest battle would not benefit from more granular commands, command structure and specialisation han simply calling F1 targets and broacasting for reps. A 1000 man fleet operation (that's 4 full fleets) would just get too convoluted with more fleet commanders. One fleet with 250 pilots and one commander is usually more effective than 5 fleets with 50 ships each and one commander each. The reason for this is that with the number of logistics and FAXes on field in such a situation, it is prudent to shoot a target with everything you have, so you can kill it before the logistics can respond. If you split up your damage, you may not be able to break the target against the reps, end up killing slower than the enemy fleet does and lose the fight.
The FC will therefore have his mainline DPS ships anchor on him, so he knows if everyone is in range, and then call a target to be murdered as quickly as possible. Rinse, repeat.
Of course, even in those big fleet engagements (that are as has been stated completely avoidable and certainly not "the end game") this only applies to mainline DPS ships. Logistics, Tackle, Electronic Warfare, Command Ships and Command Destroyers all have more demanding tasks on their hands. So, even if OP believes that he needs to take part in the null blob, he could just opt to not be a braindead F1 monkey and fly something interesting. |
Fatima Foont
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Posted - 2016.11.24 18:22:58 -
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Playing 10 years...never in a big fleet fight. Same reason I did not join the RL army. Don't want to be an FC drone. Any large force needs to be given orders.
There is no friggn "end game." |
Cutter Isaacson
wiggle Tech. Pandamimic Legion
3101
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Posted - 2016.11.24 18:26:13 -
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Anyone YouCan wrote:When everything else is stripped away and you've got all your empire and ships and you've built you fortress in the stars it's this game play style that it all comes down to.
So what you're saying is that if you ignore every other playstyle that exists in EVE, aside from the one you don't like, that EVE isn't very good? Seems to me like a failure of your imagination rather than a failure on CCP's part.
"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Puss 1n Boots
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2016.11.24 19:00:59 -
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Anyone YouCan wrote:It's entirely CCP that needs to solve it. Because sooner or later people get sick of this being the END game.. When everything else is stripped away and you've got all your empire and ships and you've built you fortress in the stars it's this game play style that it all comes down to. And it needs to change. Because if you go ask people who played Eve for months, years even a decade and left i would wager that you can with exception of Real life reasons it's this crap tastic way of playing that they have got sick of. And it's down to CCP to sort it the hell out. Eve pvp is fantastic in solo or small groups. It is amazing in brawl engagements. But as soon as it becomes a big fight between two doctrines (the most efficient way to win) it is boring as crap. Often in tidi that compounds the issue and just makes you wish you never came along. You go into ANY big alliance and see if they dont constantly struggle to get people in fleets in the right ships doing as their FC tells them. Why? BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES THOSE FLEETS. Yes they are the most efficient. Yes that is the current mechanic.
NO that does not mean it is right or FUN. Until CCP fix it no matter the gimmick the game will be in decline. Because only fun games grow.
You are wrong. It is not a mechanic. Fitting your ship is a mechanic, but not doctrines. They are player made. And your complain about tidi, it is your right to create a new kind of quantum super server and better transmitter than fiber-optic communications. I guess than we will be able to fight big battles without tidi.
Go ahead and do it. I would appreciate your efforts. |
Vigirr
79
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Posted - 2016.11.24 20:17:28 -
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Large fleets are for people who enjoy being a cubicle worker: to hide in the clutter and behind numbers, being as lazy and as unproductive as they can get away with. FCs know this so they adapt their tone of voice and message to a point where the lowest common denominator can deal with it without busting a braincell.
It's quantity over quality.
If you can't stand being told what to do like a special needs 5 year old here's a top tip: don't be in a massive alliance. Instead choose quality over quantity. |
Dominoe Harvee
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.11.24 20:25:27 -
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2/10
Only because your troll made it to 2 pages. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1112
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Posted - 2016.11.24 22:42:37 -
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Vigirr wrote:Large fleets are for people who enjoy being a cubicle worker: to hide in the clutter and behind numbers, being as lazy and as unproductive as they can get away with. FCs know this so they adapt their tone of voice and message to a point where the lowest common denominator can deal with it without busting a braincell.
It's quantity over quality.
If you can't stand being told what to do like a special needs 5 year old here's a top tip: don't be in a massive alliance. Instead choose quality over quantity. LMFAO so much this!! I used to call it herding cats or pulling chicken teeth. Ive talked to so many CEOs and leadership over the years and this is the number one cause of burnout.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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