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Phoenix vajaa
InternetSpaceShips
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Posted - 2016.11.27 03:55:53 -
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So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free. The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe. 3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.
B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict. Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
546
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Posted - 2016.11.27 04:02:54 -
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okay......
Just Add Water
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19291
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Posted - 2016.11.27 04:09:38 -
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we had this thread like 6 months ago. then WWB happened.
no one rules alone no one rules forever
give it time, anarchy is allways only one miss typed word or miss click away
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.11.27 07:46:54 -
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Stagnation leads to degeneration. Degeneration leads to weakness. Give them some time and they will fall like Goons. Like old Band of Brothers. Like many others.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
1765
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Posted - 2016.11.27 08:30:12 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Stagnation leads to degeneration. Degeneration leads to weakness. Give them some time and they will fall like Goons. Like old Band of Brothers. Like many others.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation
That didn't work out quite as well as we had hoped. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1264
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Posted - 2016.11.27 08:44:42 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Stagnation leads to degeneration. Degeneration leads to weakness. Give them some time and they will fall like Goons. Like old Band of Brothers. Like many others. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation That didn't work out quite as well as we had hoped. Sure it did.
No one if afraid of them anymore. They aren't an invincible coalition that won the game.
So their continued existence isn't a problem. It wasn't a goal to cause goons to collapse. That was more aimed at SMA.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.11.27 08:45:28 -
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Corporations and alliances are in a never end cycle of growing, becoming good, bloating, becoming ****, breaking up and restarting. Lots of people want to join the corp that's already king of the hill only to find that as there's nothing really to fight it gets quite boring resulting in infighting, drama and rage quits.
On top of that the people who want to join a corp at its height of power generally aren't really that useful, not saying they're bad necessarily but they have the wrong attitude. This is the bloating phase and if you want to predict the future you only have to look in the past. As Ralph says, every empire crumbles to nothingness at some point. |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
1765
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Posted - 2016.11.27 08:47:47 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:No one if afraid of them anymore. They aren't an invincible coalition that won the game.
You're either extremely foolish or trolling to say that no-one is afraid of Goonswarm. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
251
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Posted - 2016.11.27 09:05:07 -
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OP why don't you build your own alliance with your own supers and titans fleet and dropp on them, mode: "allah akbar" instead of whining on the forum?
oh yea.... i know why... cuz you are bad and can't do it....... sad face |
Pendra Tahyan
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2016.11.27 10:38:55 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:No one if afraid of them anymore. They aren't an invincible coalition that won the game. You're either extremely foolish or trolling to say that no-one is afraid of Goonswarm.
Why would you fear something in a computer game. One might respect Goonswarm but to fear them (or any other corporation for that matter) seems detrimental for ones EVE experience.
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Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
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Posted - 2016.11.27 10:45:55 -
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Empires will rise and fall given time, so the game will continue to developas as new entities will rise and challenge the old gaurd.
I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
687
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Posted - 2016.11.27 11:46:51 -
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In my experience, Bloc's don't fall in EVE. They just go through reformations. |
Valkyrie Harkonnen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2016.11.27 15:06:58 -
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Grrrr Goons
Grrr PL
Grrr Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Vigirr
108
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Posted - 2016.11.27 15:13:20 -
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Valkyrie Harkonnen wrote:Grrrr Goons
Grrr PL
Grrr Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Don't forget the OG's: Grrr M0o and Grrr BOB. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
2624
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Posted - 2016.11.27 17:51:49 -
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If there is one constant in RL as well as in game, it is that all empires will fall eventually.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:08:26 -
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Vigirr wrote:Valkyrie Harkonnen wrote:Grrrr Goons
Grrr PL
Grrr Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr Don't forget the OG's: Grrr M0o and Grrr BOB.
Grrrrrrr
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1799
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:11:27 -
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Phoenix vajaa wrote:So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free. The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe. 3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.
B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict. Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.
This has been the case for like what, a year or more? Nothing new. All great empires fall at some point. BoB was deemed unbeatable and fell. We were deemed unbeatable and... granted it took literally everyone else combined to make a small dent. PL and NC are far from unbeatable since their fair share of losses in the current northern war. And it will be especially interesting to see what happens in the long run now that all the casino money is gone.
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Dump Rook
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:27:41 -
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Phoenix vajaa wrote: Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within.
For the most part this has always been true for the big empires in EVE, I remember posts along these lines 10 years ago . |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1456
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:56:27 -
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Phoenix vajaa wrote:So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free. The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe. 3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.
B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict. Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.
If you think this is new, you obviously missed the previous cold war prior to World War Bee.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1264
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Posted - 2016.11.27 19:24:07 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:No one if afraid of them anymore. They aren't an invincible coalition that won the game. You're either extremely foolish or trolling to say that no-one is afraid of Goonswarm. Neither, but if we are going to switch this to be aimed at the poster rather than the post, you must be extremely stupid if you can't see how attitudes towards the imperium have changed since WWB.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
2
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Posted - 2016.11.28 00:02:50 -
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Well if you choose to blue every target you can and then blow up anyone who rises to be a slight threat this is what happens
You made your bed
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
374
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Posted - 2016.11.28 08:28:35 -
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omg guys we reached stagnation. #eveisdyingonceagain
seriously though your complaints happen atleast once a year...
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Prince Kobol
2497
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Posted - 2016.11.28 16:26:24 -
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Phoenix vajaa wrote:So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free. The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe. 3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.
B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict. Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.
To some extent you are right but so what?
It has been like this for years and nothing will change but again so what?
The best thing to do is just leave them to it and play the game you want to play.
I fell into the same trap as yourself and it completely burned me out and I quit the game 2 years ago.
I am now looking to come back and this time am not going to fall into the same trap.
I honestly couldn't less about the Goons, PL, NC or whoever.
I am going to play Eve the way I want to play and to hell with everybody else. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14955
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Posted - 2016.11.28 16:43:25 -
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I don't know how long this discussion will last here, and i can't claim to be un-biased because I am (A) within Jump range of PL/NC supers as I type this and (B) PL dropped a freaking NYX on my NAVY VEXOR (on my alt, on June 28, in N-HKSO, too bad we can't link killmails here lol).
But I will say this, it's funny how CCP made all these jump range changes and made jump fatigue with the the goal or ending 'cross map' capital/supercapital dominance....while inadvertently creating LOCAL AREA CAP/SUPER CAP DOMINANCE lol. Now super caps can be dropped on people with impunity with no chance of response from another supercap capable power unless that group tortuously and visibly moves their super caps across the map like space turtles.
Before Jump Fatigue, even PL would have thought twice about dropping a Nyx on a VNI (they might have still done it, but they'd at least think about it lol). Now, no second guessing required. It's ok, didn't want that VNI anyways/already replaced (lol), but really, a NYX.? A NYX??!?!?! |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3000
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Posted - 2016.11.28 16:58:51 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:we had this thread like 6 months ago. then WWB happened.
no one rules alone no one rules forever
give it time, anarchy is allways only one miss typed word or miss click away
One could argue WWB happened because of something that is no longer available now tho. Who would have fought that war if they weren't externally funded? |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3000
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:05:27 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I don't know how long this discussion will last here, and i can't claim to be un-biased because I am (A) within Jump range of PL/NC supers as I type this and (B) PL dropped a freaking NYX on my NAVY VEXOR (on my alt, on June 28, in N-HKSO, too bad we can't link killmails here lol).
But I will say this, it's funny how CCP made all these jump range changes and made jump fatigue with the the goal or ending 'cross map' capital/supercapital dominance....while inadvertently creating LOCAL AREA CAP/SUPER CAP DOMINANCE lol. Now super caps can be dropped on people with impunity with no chance of response from another supercap capable power unless that group tortuously and visibly moves their super caps across the map like space turtles.
Before Jump Fatigue, even PL would have thought twice about dropping a Nyx on a VNI (they might have still done it, but they'd at least think about it lol). Now, no second guessing required. It's ok, didn't want that VNI anyways/already replaced (lol), but really, a NYX.? A NYX??!?!?!
Human nature create this. The concentration of cap in a few entity because people want to be in the "winning" team makes anyone else a target. The core of the game itself push players toward doing that. Limited range or not, the current super blobs would be dominant. The only difference is between wrecking anything within range or helicopter dicking anything worthwhile given time. You lost your VNI like small corp used to lose their single/few carrier/dread 80LY away if they dared getting it out of a station for too long.
Which one is better is kinda hard to argue IMO. |
Prince Kobol
2497
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:21:13 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I don't know how long this discussion will last here, and i can't claim to be un-biased because I am (A) within Jump range of PL/NC supers as I type this and (B) PL dropped a freaking NYX on my NAVY VEXOR (on my alt, on June 28, in N-HKSO, too bad we can't link killmails here lol).
But I will say this, it's funny how CCP made all these jump range changes and made jump fatigue with the the goal or ending 'cross map' capital/supercapital dominance....while inadvertently creating LOCAL AREA CAP/SUPER CAP DOMINANCE lol. Now super caps can be dropped on people with impunity with no chance of response from another supercap capable power unless that group tortuously and visibly moves their super caps across the map like space turtles.
Before Jump Fatigue, even PL would have thought twice about dropping a Nyx on a VNI (they might have still done it, but they'd at least think about it lol). Now, no second guessing required. It's ok, didn't want that VNI anyways/already replaced (lol), but really, a NYX.? A NYX??!?!?!
Your right but what is the answer? Either situation is horrible.
For arguments sakes lets say all Super Caps / Titans / Carriers / Dreads were removed from the game.
I guarantee we would have post after post complaining that there is no counter to x No. of Battleships. Its an impossible fix.
It was said before the Jump Changes that this would happen. You would get areas of space that would be virtually unassailable because of the local Super Cap presence.
With this in mind when I come back I will have nothing to do with null sec in regards to wars etc.
Going to find my own little bit of space and have some fun :) |
Prince Kobol
2497
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:23:38 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Human nature create this.
To be fair it CCP also had a hand in creating this situation.
They created the ships / game mechanics.
Takes two to tango |
The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:40:11 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: Human nature create this. To be fair it CCP also had a hand in creating this situation. They created the ships / game mechanics. Takes two to tango
No they bloody didnt
They did not say blue everyone to make billions
They did not say build super fleets to blob everyone
They did not say kill anyone who is a slight threat
You did this
Not CCP
You guys broke null
How about you all unblue each other n go to war
No you wont, why?
Its called greed
As i said, you made this bed, now lie in it |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18220
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:59:22 -
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Phoenix vajaa wrote:So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free. The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe. 3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.
B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict. Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.
Wow it's almost like this happened before tracking titans were nerfed originally, and then they were un nerfed and now in a shocking twist turn of events that no one could have predicted, it's happened again.
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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