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Morgan Wulver
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
141
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Posted - 2016.11.27 07:49:43 -
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So I have a question that has been plaguing me all day and no one on my staff seems to know the answer to this. With the recent surge in more and more pilot canidates being accepted into the empyrean program, what are entry requirements like these days?
I'm legitimately curious, because I'm starting to feel a little robbed here. Back in my day you were required to have a technical degree, 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, immaculate blood pressure, a complete genome profile, a six hour oral exam, and a 60 kilometer run before they would even consider letting you join. Oh, and that whole needing to score 98 percentile in your aptitude test. (Which, judging by many of the capsuleers I have met is either a testament to how daft most of New Eden is or to how flawed standardized tests are.)
That, or you knew a guy living out in an asteroid belt that'd be willing to grow you a new body with a "Baby's First Clonevat" junior scientist kit.
I worked hard. Very, very, very, very hard to grease the right palms and cheese my way through canidate selection, and though the Naval Academy no less! I wore those stupid Provist dress blues, went on every fast cruise, and sat through five damn long, boring years of training to get here and now because we scrapped some snot off an alien corpse these yahoos can apparently breeze through selection at an accelerated rate like they freaking ordered their capsule online and we're just stopping in to pick it up.
Someone tell me some good news. Someone tell that it's not that easy for them and that I didn't squander my youth to get here only for it all to be pointless.
Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
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Tsao Aubbes
Imperial Mining Incorporated Brothers of Tangra
11
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Posted - 2016.11.27 08:14:56 -
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I don't know what to tell you, Sir. I was offered a scholarship by Astral Mining to attend the Federal Navy Academy for having "talents with drones". I don't think I'm special, but I guess it's Astral's money..
I don't really remember much from university. It was an embarrassing blur.
Drone Region Resident - ORE Fangirl
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1794
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Posted - 2016.11.27 08:28:44 -
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Morgan Wulver wrote: a six hour oral exam
L E W D
but rather impressive, endurance wise.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Morgan Wulver
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
142
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Posted - 2016.11.27 17:34:41 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Morgan Wulver wrote: a six hour oral exam L E W D but rather impressive, endurance wise. The trick is building a proper technique, breath control, and projecting a gentile yet assertiv--
Wait. No. You're mocking me. Quant. Leave it to the wannabe vampire to make a passing comment about sucking.
Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
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Pieter Tuulinen
Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle
6819
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Posted - 2016.11.27 19:22:45 -
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If it's any compensation, I had to undergo a long period of intense learning once I qualified genetically, to get me academically eligible before I ever saw the inside of the State War Academy.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
670
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Posted - 2016.11.28 05:21:50 -
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I flashed my interviewer. |
Loai Qerl
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
88
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Posted - 2016.11.28 05:57:45 -
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My extended family reduced themselves briefly to peasantry for the sake of my tuition and, if you will, related expenses pertaining to my qualifying for education at a variety of specialized venues and finally at the Royal Academy. They were assured that a single capsuleer would be able to make good on the debts they incurred, and to reap a net benefit for all of us. I was the oldest. Sooner encapsulated, sooner profiting, no?
Thus far, I have been able to address a moderate portion of the expense. We aren't peasants. Leased labor works our fields again, even if they're growing the hastiest soil-stripping cash crops available, right up to the back door of the house where the hedge gardens used to be.
Sigh. Flooding helps the soil. Mining helps the rest. If I had been able to use an alpha clone from the beginning, what I do now would be profit, and I wouldn't be getting nearly so many messages from my uncles and aunts and so on with fond hopes that I'm eating properly and sleeping well and living a kindly and virtuous and coincidentally lucrative life in space. They wouldn't have had to worry in the first place.
I'm truly not worried about how well trained alpha clones are. I'm jealous. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2016.11.28 06:26:02 -
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I barely remember the time I spent in training. What I do remember though is that it all counted for jack **** the first time I was put into a pod and let loose to make my own way.
No amount of book learnin or classes or mind numbing tests can actually prepare you for life out here. Only experience can give you that.
Sure we got ****** by the system. Worked our asses off, put our families into poverty, or had to suck a lot of corporate **** or worse to get our break. But that isn't what earned us our wings. Those we earned all on our own after we left all that behind.
This new breed of alphas are gonna have to do the exact same thing. Yeah they get to skip past a lot of the pointless and useless bullshit we had to go through. But they will be facing their own set of challenges,.
End of the day what we had to go through or do to get where we are matters jack **** compared to what we do with it. And on that account I look forward to seeing what this newest breed of immortals are gonna be capable of. |
Morgan Wulver
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
143
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Posted - 2016.11.28 07:40:06 -
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I can't believe I'm saying it, but I think I actually agree with you there Tyrson-haan. It stings that I had to jump through so many hoops, swallow so much of my pride, and do a whole shopping list of things I'm not proud of to get where I'm at but you know what? Damn it all. I hated my instructors in capsuleer training, I hated my interviewers, and I hated those fat-fingered bastards I had to grovel to so I could convince them I had what it takes to be a capsuleer.
I mean, do any of us really identify ourselves by what we had to do in training? Or is it by the tasks we complete once we're a part of this massive, dysfunctional immortal family? And even before we became immortal did any of us really think that any of those tests matter? Because maybe it's just me, but all I could think about at the time was how the only good measure of a pilot is what they can do at the helm.
Hmm.
Okay, I'm sold. I for one congratulate this new generation clones breezing through selection. I'll take it as one last **** you to those suits that made us jump through those hoops and tried to turn us all into something we're not.
Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
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Ghelisis Achasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2016.11.28 15:09:38 -
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I was an...well what they are calling an Omega clone once, but recent developments planetside has caused me to drift away from that life. I am glad CONCORD now allows us to take to the stars again, even if it means we get relegated to an inferior clone. |
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Letizzia Omanid
Ex Luce Domini
13
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:53:42 -
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I would presume (dangerous I know) that at a bare minimum the new AlphaGÇÖs have had to undergo the same physical requirements pre-Alpha pilots endured. (Although I do see a fair number of pilots wearing what appears to be corrective eyewear)
Regardless of what the new Alpha scholastic training entails, I know the hard work I put into that portion of the program has benefited me. I would hope the new Alpha pilots are given the same advantages.
Mr. Achasse raises a point IGÇÖve been curious about.
Are the bulk of the Alpha pilots entering space truly new to the ways of the clone after being rushed through training, or are they former Omega pilots, that for whatever reason, left space and now because of the Alpha clones are able to return?
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
721
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:58:22 -
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What's more scarier is that eventually our own clones will be retrofitted with the same technology that makes Alpha clones possible, if they haven't been already. And since the breakthrough that made them possible came from Drifter sources, well, you do the math!
Not the first time I filled my skull and spine with black box technology harvested from alien wormhole dwellers, but it doesn't get any easier to stomach! |
Solun Usoko
Omnipotential Traverse
1
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:07:14 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote: What's more scarier is that eventually our own clones will be retrofitted with the same technology that makes Alpha clones possible, if they haven't been already.
This is exactly what happened to me at the end of my last PLEX cycle. It seems they automated the rollout through the cloning facilities themselves.
As for the rest of your assessment, I cannot disagree. Strange to think I may have something eavesdropping on my contemplations in the wee hours of night. |
Letizzia Omanid
Ex Luce Domini
13
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:14:24 -
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And now I'll lose a few nights of sleep wondering about what's lurking inside my skull. |
Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
895
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:43:37 -
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Times change. Adapt or die. If you sit around and mope about it too long, they will catch up to you.
Besides, to my knowledge, they don't have the same piloting authorizations that we do. We are licensed to fly everything, they are only licensed to fly the simpler ships, tied to their government's models too.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
895
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:44:48 -
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Letizzia Omanid wrote:And now I'll lose a few nights of sleep wondering about what's lurking inside my skull.
Probably a dormant kill-switch, since it's supposedly made from technology stolen from Drifters, humanity's newest kinda sorta enemy.
I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2162
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Posted - 2016.11.28 21:23:45 -
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I blackmailed the administrator...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
120
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Posted - 2016.11.29 01:33:35 -
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I just used the money I made a a Cloned Soldier and bought my way in |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
46029
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Posted - 2016.11.29 01:41:03 -
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To be honest, I don't know how to respond to that impressive list of selection criteria.
I was running late for a job interview to become an apprentice chef, ran in the wrong door because I didn't take the time to properly check the address and suddenly spaceships.
Training was all a blur.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
120
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Posted - 2016.11.29 01:48:49 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:What's more scarier is that eventually our own clones will be retrofitted with the same technology that makes Alpha clones possible, if they haven't been already. And since the breakthrough that made them possible came from Drifter sources, well, you do the math!
Not the first time I filled my skull and spine with black box technology harvested from alien wormhole dwellers, but it doesn't get any easier to stomach! You were a first generation clone soldier? Well that explains your behavior. |
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
121
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Posted - 2016.11.29 01:52:44 -
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Jason Galente wrote:Letizzia Omanid wrote:And now I'll lose a few nights of sleep wondering about what's lurking inside my skull. Probably a dormant kill-switch, since it's supposedly made from technology stolen from Drifters, humanity's newest kinda sorta enemy. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Or mind control technology |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
209
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Posted - 2016.11.29 07:07:16 -
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Morgan Wulver wrote: I'm legitimately curious, because I'm starting to feel a little robbed here. Back in my day you were required to have a technical degree, 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, immaculate blood pressure, a complete genome profile, a six hour oral exam, and a 60 kilometer run before they would even consider letting you join. Oh, and that whole needing to score 98 percentile in your aptitude test. (Which, judging by many of the capsuleers I have met is either a testament to how daft most of New Eden is or to how flawed standardized tests are.)
Wow, I didn't know Caldari selection of candidates was so severe! Here we were selected only if God allowed us by writing it in our genome... I wonder how Federal selection was looking like.
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Mengyao Chemineau
Sanxing
39
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Posted - 2016.11.29 15:48:17 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Morgan Wulver wrote: I'm legitimately curious, because I'm starting to feel a little robbed here. Back in my day you were required to have a technical degree, 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, immaculate blood pressure, a complete genome profile, a six hour oral exam, and a 60 kilometer run before they would even consider letting you join. Oh, and that whole needing to score 98 percentile in your aptitude test. (Which, judging by many of the capsuleers I have met is either a testament to how daft most of New Eden is or to how flawed standardized tests are.)
Wow, I didn't know Caldari selection of candidates was so severe! Here we were selected only if God allowed us by writing it in our genome... I wonder how Federal selection was looking like. All of the above, but money can get you past some of the "requirements" (such as the degree) on its own. Around 115 most capsuleer training institutions across New Eden had adopted that set of standards, I gather, but the consistency with which they are applied remains variable and slightly flexible. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
737
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Posted - 2016.11.29 19:52:00 -
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Slayer Liberator wrote:You were a first generation clone soldier? Well that explains your behavior.
Third Generation Storm Wind Strikeforce Logistician Class 4 Major of the Hydra Squad, thank you very much!
And there's nothing wrong with my behavior, you big meanie! |
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
216
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Posted - 2016.11.29 20:39:03 -
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It's interesting to see the different ways we all ended up in the capsuleer program.
My parivaar (a parivaar is communal social group that makes up the basic political unit on my home planet) sponsored my capsuleer application with communal funds. Most of the parivaar's income comes from the export of wooden crafts and goods to the Gallente. The natural materials trend is still going strong in the Federation so they do quite well. Currency is not used in the planetary economy and is mostly used for trade with off-worlders or given to members who have to go off-world, so it wasn't a huge drain to pay for my capsuleer training.
Normally they wouldn't blow such a large amount on one person but this was at the recommendation of Ramjat Idama, a local religious leader who suggested this path to me.
I don't remember the training itself as being too arduous, there was some basic physical and psychological conditioning but most of it was in class material covering the physics of space travel, training on electronic systems and various docking/stargate activation protocols, etc.
Our Alpha brothers and sisters seem to have less thorough training, but they are also approved for far less hardware or skill software. |
Morgan Wulver
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
147
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Posted - 2016.11.29 23:37:57 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:You were a first generation clone soldier? Well that explains your behavior. Third Generation Storm Wind Strikeforce Logistician Class 4 Major of the Hydra Squad, thank you very much! And there's nothing wrong with my behavior, you big meanie! I honestly can't tell when she's bullshitting or not anymore.
Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
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Triffton Ambraelle
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
9
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Posted - 2016.11.30 02:23:39 -
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Morgan Wulver wrote:So I have a question that has been plaguing me all day and no one on my staff seems to know the answer to this. With the recent surge in more and more pilot canidates being accepted into the empyrean program, what are entry requirements like these days?
I'm legitimately curious, because I'm starting to feel a little robbed here. Back in my day you were required to have a technical degree, 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, immaculate blood pressure, a complete genome profile, a six hour oral exam, and a 60 kilometer run before they would even consider letting you join. Oh, and that whole needing to score 98 percentile in your aptitude test. (Which, judging by many of the capsuleers I have met is either a testament to how daft most of New Eden is or to how flawed standardized tests are.)
That, or you knew a guy living out in an asteroid belt that'd be willing to grow you a new body with a "Baby's First Clonevat" junior scientist kit.
I worked hard. Very, very, very, very hard to grease the right palms and cheese my way through canidate selection, and though the Naval Academy no less! I wore those stupid Provist dress blues, went on every fast cruise, and sat through five damn long, boring years of training to get here and now because we scrapped some snot off an alien corpse these yahoos can apparently breeze through selection at an accelerated rate like they freaking ordered their capsule online and we're just stopping in to pick it up.
Someone tell me some good news. Someone tell that it's not that easy for them and that I didn't squander my youth to get here only for it all to be pointless.
We're looking at this backwards. Kind of.
The Sisters of Eve developed (or stole) a viable, stable, and cheaper clone that could be mass produced because of its simplicity. This same simplicity required the use of neural expanders and other biomed tech to allow the Grey matter patterns to be elastic and complex enough to interact with advanced ship systems interfaces. The mental and neural requirements were relaxed because it wasn't needed!
Their new brains had to be literally stretched and altered so they could get on our level.
> In chasing the unknown, we discover ourselves.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
872
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Posted - 2016.11.30 02:33:20 -
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The last half decade or so, this place and the other 'open to all' fora have pretty much proven that the bar for entry was for all intents and purposes just a playground slide for the vast majority of New Eden's capsuleers anyway. The only other explanation is that immediately upon graduation nine out of ten capsuleers went out and had a lobotomy in order to remove every scoop of brain goo not absolutely required to function in a pod. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
724
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Posted - 2016.11.30 03:16:04 -
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Morgan Wulver wrote:Someone tell me some good news. Someone tell that it's not that easy for them and that I didn't squander my youth to get here only for it all to be pointless.
It wasn't pointless - for one thing, they likely wouldn't exist if it weren't for us, as somebody has to be the forerunner. Anyway, I don't know of the alpha capsuleer training programme much anything but it clearly is blindingly fast compared to what we went through. I spent just three years in training - and yes I later heard even that was incredibly accelerated training with little if any regard to our safety - alphas seem to spend maybe mere months in training, most of which I can only assume is spent using capsule simulators and teaching them to avoid mindlock, which as I recall took a very long time for me personally.
I remember being offered the training - I was already about to gradtuate and become a pilot to the Fafnir (a Tempest -class battleship), so I had some basic understanding and physical endurance needed for the program already - maybe one of the reasons I succeeded where many failed. Maybe not.
I remember there being over two thousand hopefuls at the opening ceremony. When we completed the training, there were only thirty-seven of us left.
So, yes. Maybe hey have it easy. But I believe I can say from experience the life of a capsuleer isn't what most baseliners imagine it to be, and nobody really should be envious of us. And despite them having it "easy" I aint envious of the Alphas, I maybe even pity them. Welcome to the grinder.
Whew, this stirred up some rather unpleasant memories, I think I need a stiff drink. |
Ghelisis Achasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2016.11.30 05:06:24 -
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As a former Omega, I don't look down on my Omega career one bit. If it meant fighting to regain our honor against the Caldari, I was very happy flying their own ships against them.
As an alpha, I can still work for the Federation, albeit in a far more subdued role. I can still take missions...low level ones sure, but every ship destroyed helps the Federation immesurably. As new Alphas I don't think we lost our skills - most likely they are safely stored in a skillbank somewhere. |
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