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rawrkitty
Asteroid Bluez The Amish Mafia
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Posted - 2016.11.27 11:34:42 -
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this games ui is too unforgiving of low res monitors.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.11.27 11:36:36 -
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What's a low res monitor?
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rawrkitty
Asteroid Bluez The Amish Mafia
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Posted - 2016.11.27 11:59:29 -
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Keno Skir wrote:What's a low res monitor? just cause you people wont acknowledge them doesn't mean they aren't out there using this game! just sayin ccp |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2016.11.27 12:03:00 -
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Then get a proper monitor.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.11.27 12:38:58 -
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rawrkitty wrote:Keno Skir wrote:What's a low res monitor? just cause you people wont acknowledge them doesn't mean they aren't out there using this game! just sayin ccp
I was halfway being genuine, what is the res you're trying to play at?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.11.27 12:56:57 -
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good old 320x240
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Greenbaumberk
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.27 13:50:29 -
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Bumblefck wrote:good old 320x240
My matrox mystique can handle this with no problems at all. Thinking about getting a Voodoo though
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.11.27 14:36:56 -
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Keno Skir wrote:What's a low res monitor?
I think he ment one of those old fish tank tv's.
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Amanda Chelian
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Posted - 2016.11.27 14:45:57 -
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I have an old 1280x1024 monitor that I put EVE on while I do work on the main monitor, and the UI is perfectly fine? Just how low is your resolution? |
Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.11.27 14:52:28 -
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Keno Skir wrote:What's a low res monitor?
Probably this. |
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.11.27 15:38:54 -
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CCP constantly diminished amount of UI options that were there to reduce impact they have on viewspace. Those who are left with lower resolution monitors suffer. I think CCP just dont care about those people, because their amount is small.
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Vito Petrilli
Starcall Intergalactic Wicked Nations
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Posted - 2016.11.27 15:50:03 -
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Don't worry, it doesn't handle 5k well at all either haha. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:46:59 -
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rawrkitty wrote:this games ui is too unforgiving of low res monitors.
It would help if you defined both what you mean by low res and the actual problem you're suffering from.
(See, I'm being helpful today. Don't get used to it, it won't last)
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.11.27 19:02:24 -
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Greenbaumberk wrote:Bumblefck wrote:good old 320x240 My matrox mystique can handle this with no problems at all. Thinking about getting a Voodoo though
S3 ViRGE all the way
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1339
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Posted - 2016.11.27 21:10:07 -
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The EVE UI is bad on touchscreens because I didn't see the titan on my overview because there was a cheetos stain in the way. CCP plz fix.
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rawrkitty
Asteroid Bluez The Amish Mafia
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Posted - 2016.11.28 02:39:39 -
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https://s15.postimg.org/8t3txtjhn/2016_11_28_02_23_50.png
ok i play on a 50 inch 1366x768 TV
my main issues as labeled in the picture is" 1. There is no option to "Scale Down" the UI, there is just not enough free space for me to not feel clustered. Everything is always in the way to the point of me having to sacrifice things i want on my UI to make it comfortable
2. When I am in a combat ship with my fittings, they are so big they overlap my inventory, and i cant see my inventory very well and have to squish it up against the wall of my ui. (meaning i have to tetris things all over to get it to be comfortable)
3. I wish i could scale down this CPU and fitting module there is no need for it to take up this much space on my screen. i need a better window of view it would help also because i could fit more of my chat/inventory there.
4. Once again I cant scale down my chat and I almost have to have it extend it to the top of my screen just to keep an eye on the local channel, why can't the char portraits be smaller? its quite bulky and i can hardly fit more than 4 lines of talking in chat when I want to see the rest of my ui on the left of the screen. (lowest chat size setting enabled too)
5. once again I wish I could scale this information down so its not such a nuisance having it up.
I'm not upset or anything I am just stating for me, having to pay a monthly subscription, the ui sure isn't very flexible. I am not gonna go buy another monitor so I can play this game that I have to pay for monthly, more comfortably. I play all my other games just fine because you can scale down the UI, this has been an issue for so long, its the reason I stopped playing in 2013, I came back to see if any improvements have been made (cause I heard of the new expansion launch) and still there is no better optimization for UI scaling on low res monitors. So once again, I will not be resubbing after my first month is done because the ui is just too clustered on my screen its uncomfortable. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.28 02:44:35 -
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Oh I used to use one of those
ESC menu, 90% UI scaling is your best bet, beyond that you're going to have to be economical with your screen real estate.
Also Incase you weren't aware, if you double click the header on any of those windows they'll collapse so all that's on the screen is that header.
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rawrkitty
Asteroid Bluez The Amish Mafia
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Posted - 2016.11.28 02:48:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Oh I used to use one of those
ESC menu, 90% UI scaling is your best bet, beyond that you're going to have to be economical with your screen real estate.
Also Incase you weren't aware, if you double click the header on any of those windows they'll collapse so all that's on the screen is that header.
I mean this information is useful but they do a very poor job at communicating to the user. I use the 90% and it still sucks. Even at that, I don't want to have to play with my windows minimized and whatever id like my ui to be open while i am playing. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.28 02:56:03 -
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rawrkitty wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Oh I used to use one of those
ESC menu, 90% UI scaling is your best bet, beyond that you're going to have to be economical with your screen real estate.
Also Incase you weren't aware, if you double click the header on any of those windows they'll collapse so all that's on the screen is that header. I mean this information is useful but they do a very poor job at communicating to the user. I use the 90% and it still sucks. Even at that, I don't want to have to play with my windows minimized and whatever id like my ui to be open while i am playing. Yeah personally I'd have my screen completely covered with the various windows i use, I tend to have their headers up and then open them as and when I need them.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2016.11.28 03:07:28 -
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Well, the game is quite old and in parts still stuck in the olden days when interefaces were not responsive and designed for internet explorer 4 @1024x768. That number got bigger over the years, and the interface got a matte finish, but for the most part it stayed the same.
Thing is, even though the interface gets criticized every now and then, most people just live with it. I don't know how long you've been around, but if you know CCP and the Eve community, you can probably imagine the shitstorm if they were to implement a major interface revamp to bring it into the year 2016. |
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rawrkitty
Asteroid Bluez The Amish Mafia
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Posted - 2016.11.28 03:09:07 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Well, the game is quite old and in parts still stuck in the olden days when interefaces were not responsive and designed for internet explorer 4 @1024x768. That number got bigger over the years, and the interface got a matte finish, but for the most part it stayed the same.
Thing is, even though the interface gets criticized every now and then, most people just live with it. I don't know how long you've been around, but if you know CCP and the Eve community, you can probably imagine the shitstorm if they were to implement a major interface revamp to bring it into the year 2016.
i am not asking for a revamp just an option to scale it down farther than 90%. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.28 03:18:34 -
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rawrkitty wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Well, the game is quite old and in parts still stuck in the olden days when interefaces were not responsive and designed for internet explorer 4 @1024x768. That number got bigger over the years, and the interface got a matte finish, but for the most part it stayed the same.
Thing is, even though the interface gets criticized every now and then, most people just live with it. I don't know how long you've been around, but if you know CCP and the Eve community, you can probably imagine the shitstorm if they were to implement a major interface revamp to bring it into the year 2016. i am not asking for a revamp just an option to scale it down farther than 90%. Actually I'm with you on this, I'd definitely like to be able to scale it down further
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Maximus Corp The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2016.11.28 04:13:10 -
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I feel like this is somewhat a PC/TV issue? Why is your resolution so low. I'm on a 40" 1080p TV and I push 1920 x 1080. I came from a 32" with much less resolution, so, I feel your pain, but this is just kind of the way things are going. |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2016.11.28 07:08:49 -
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CCP seemingly forgot that 720p is actually a thing... see: character sheet. |
Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.11.28 07:31:20 -
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rawrkitty wrote:this games ui is too unforgiving of low res monitors. edited so you dont have to search thru second page https://s15.postimg.org/8t3txtjhn/2016_11_28_02_23_50.pngok i play on a 50 inch 1366x768 TV my main issues as labeled in the picture is" 1. There is no option to "Scale Down" the UI, there is just not enough free space for me to not feel clustered. Everything is always in the way to the point of me having to sacrifice things i want on my UI to make it comfortable 2. When I am in a combat ship with my fittings, they are so big they overlap my inventory, and i cant see my inventory very well and have to squish it up against the wall of my ui. (meaning i have to tetris things all over to get it to be comfortable) 4. Once again I cant scale down my chat and I almost have to have it extend it to the top of my screen just to keep an eye on the local channel, why can't the char portraits be smaller? its quite bulky and i can hardly fit more than 4 lines of talking in chat when I want to see the rest of my ui on the left of the screen. (lowest chat size setting enabled too) 1. I'm with you. The problem is that EVE always has an information overload to produce errors which will result in PVP. Eve could be streamlined a lot but it would stop a lot of PvP. And Eve is made for computer monitors so there is a natural limit in scaling down things. Your setting is just our of the range for which EVE UI is created. IMHO it would be a good thing anyway to make the UI scaling more flexible. If you can scale to 90 or 200% it shouldn't be too difficult to make it scale continuously.
2. use the simulation menu to create a fit and save it. Then you can fit the ship using that save. It's much more economical then using the inventory. Missing modules you can replace by other modules out of the inventory or buy them. But you are right that there should be an inventory button to the fitting screen.
4. You can eliminate the pictures in the local chat altogether by using "compact member list" in the member menu and "text only" in the channel settings |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.11.28 07:50:30 -
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Maybe you could run EVE in greater resolution thru this trick.
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mkint
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Posted - 2016.11.28 13:27:16 -
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Was away from the game, came back just before alphas with a new trial. Realized the UI was so bad that if I stick around, it won't be because of the spaceships. The entirety of the UI muffles situational awareness. Makes the game more difficult through bad software rather than through player skill. When you think about it in regards to default settings and window positions of a newbie: "you can't even learn how to play this game unless you already know everything there is to know about this game" it's ridiculous and boils down mostly to the UI. EVE's UI could be used as a case study to teach programming students how to NOT do a UI. Being so defensive of your settings folders in a game was never a normal thing, not even back in the 90's.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:36:01 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:rawrkitty wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Well, the game is quite old and in parts still stuck in the olden days when interefaces were not responsive and designed for internet explorer 4 @1024x768. That number got bigger over the years, and the interface got a matte finish, but for the most part it stayed the same.
Thing is, even though the interface gets criticized every now and then, most people just live with it. I don't know how long you've been around, but if you know CCP and the Eve community, you can probably imagine the shitstorm if they were to implement a major interface revamp to bring it into the year 2016. i am not asking for a revamp just an option to scale it down farther than 90%. Actually I'm with you on this, I'd definitely like to be able to scale it down further
Maybe CCP tried dropping below 90% back when scaling was being tested and found it to be too poor in quality to make it work and still be legible even on lower resolutions. I could be wrong, but I've noticed Eve's scaling gets awfully blurry specifically at 90%, though it might not be so bad if you drop resolution. Admittedly, I've never played Eve in anything less than 1920x1080, so that might not be the case given the circumstances. Either that or maybe the UI does weird crazy **** when set beyond current thresholds, causing it to break or become more buggy than it normally is. Who knows?
No question the UI could use more range of customization for the various types of users, their individual preferences, and their systems. I try, when I can, to give CCP the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Eve: this game is old, only getting older by the minute, and is made up of various components and subsystems that are in varying degrees of design, development, and modernization. Some parts are brand new, some several years old or more. Technical hurdles and "stone walls" are bound to exist around virtually every corner. This, like so many other cases, might be one of them. Sometimes I wonder just how the hell CCP manages to even do as much as they do and not break more **** in the process and without going so bat-**** insane that they kill each other in all honesty.
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Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
78
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Posted - 2016.11.28 19:21:58 -
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CCP let me have two clients logged into the same character. My dream for EVE is to be able to have my ship flying on a giant TV while my main monitor is filled with the spread sheets. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2016.11.28 22:12:56 -
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Thats the exact resolution of my laptop screen but i have mine set up different. I close out of chat unless i need it. Close oppurtunities, Right click neocom and turn on autohide unless im doing co I close my holds completely. Cargo open when i expect to need it. Or ore hold. I keep them sized for 1-2 items and use that compact option. Cuts down alot of the clutter, but i mess withnit now and then looking for a better set up. I havent even used the ui scaling yet.
Itd be nice if minimizing left a small sliver in the corner rather than make them dissapear completely. You vould have everything you need open and just switch it as you need it. I have zoom hotkeyed to page up and down when im using the laptops track pad and not a small mouse, Itd be cool if you could hot key to minimize like double/triple right click. Then just click the tab and bring them up. But i guess you could arrange your neocom with most of your important stuff. |
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