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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.27 17:51:45 -
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Considering Ship+Fitting?
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Mr Duffo
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2016.11.27 17:54:17 -
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Engage You
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:02:37 -
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if you don't have the skills then no there isn't ..
also easily as in can tank easily and kills fast, or just tank easy and can take longer to kill??
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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:06:16 -
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Engage You wrote:if you don't have the skills then no there isn't ..
also easily as in can tank easily and kills fast, or just tank easy and can take longer to kill??
Safest and Cheapest (if possible) not Fastest.
Considering this is a new character with only 1.5mil sp, would it be better to switch to Caldari if i went for Rattlesnake?
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mkint
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:12:48 -
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Any battleship can do lvl 4's. You may just have to over tank it until you figure out spawn patterns and can start trading in some tank for more DPS. I had a whole lot of fun doing lvl 4's in a talos, almost no tank, T2 blasters, good completion times. I knew the spawns and triggers, how to speed tank. I've done lvl 4's in an ishkur, and in an algos.
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2Sonas1Cup
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:17:04 -
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Valkyrie Harkonnen wrote:Engage You wrote:if you don't have the skills then no there isn't ..
also easily as in can tank easily and kills fast, or just tank easy and can take longer to kill??
Safest and Cheapest (if possible) not Fastest. Considering this is a new character with only 1.5mil sp, would it be better to switch to Caldari if i went for Rattlesnake?
Oh no, don't have to switch races, all you need is to train the proper skills.
A rattlesnake is the best ship to run l4 missions but you need more than 1.5mil sp and allocated in the proper skills.
If your just concerned about safety at this point then yes there are a few different ships to run l4 easily and are very cheap.
But that goes and depends on your skills as well, what are you good at, drones, missiles or turrets? shield or armour?
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
461
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:29:26 -
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Raven was always the go to ship back in the day, not sure if still the case? |
Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:37:32 -
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Xtreem wrote:Raven was always the go to ship back in the day, not sure if still the case? Back then, a Raven hull was worth around 100m, while a Rattlesnake was 600m.
Now, a Raven hull is 170m and a Rattlesnake 390m.
Expensive haven't the same meaning as back then, and better afordability of faction hulls means they overshadow t1 BS hull any day.
That being said: Raven is perfectly fine, Rattler is better, but also more skill intensive.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:48:32 -
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I've always been fond of the Navy Domi with Sentries.
Warp in at range, blap everything and then MWD around to scoop loot if you like.
The Nestor is also good at this, and tends to deal a bit more DPS, but it's close to 100 million more for the hull.
For the money, the typhoon fleet issue or the rattlesnake will give you just as good performance with at a 200 million ISK discount on the hull.
I guess the real question here is what can you fly?
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.11.27 18:59:40 -
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Machariel also works well for blitzing missions. Either way, you're going to need a lot more properly allocated SP to efficiently run 4s in a t1 BS for less than 1bil.
Honestly though, F&I isn't the right forum for this thread. Ships and Modules seems like a much better place to get this info.
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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.27 19:24:21 -
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Ty guys for the answers.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2016.11.27 21:07:52 -
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Gila medium drone passive shield RLML with jav AB and speed tank.
bonus: can use salvage drones if you are bored. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.27 22:10:34 -
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Battleships require more than 1.5M SP to work very well. Their modules guzzle cap, you will get hit a lot, and you will have problems applying damage, even with good skills. The "cheap" (usually tech 2) mods which will let you do these missions usually require very good fitting skills so you don't run out of fit space.
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2016.11.28 01:49:17 -
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Once you know what resists to tank, any T2 fit BS. On a similar level, knowing the damage weakness. Serpentis (Gallente missions) will deal Kin/ Therm. Sansha (Amarr - Blood/ Khanid) will deal EM/ Therm.
There were several mission conditions where a gate would drop you on to a cluster at their optimal and you took a beating even with 95% resists on the right two but they were usually ships that melted quite fast. |
Boci
ubiquitous hurt The WeHurt Initiative
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Posted - 2016.11.28 01:50:36 -
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As someone earlier mentioned, most non-fancy BS can be made to get through level 4s with proper targetting.
I used to have an entire list of "lowbie" Lvl4 BS, but have since lost those premade fits. The primary that springs to my mind though is a MJD Sentry Drone Domi.
Missions without entry gate simply warp to at 100k, check your triggers, pop tacklers early and MJD to range once things start getting close.
With entry gates, its basically the same thing, only you MJD as soon as you get into the room, and then again when things get close.
Can't see fittings right now, but basically:
Highs: 2x Drone Ling Augmentor, 4x whatever (rails if you feel like shooting too) Mids: 2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link w/ Optimal Range scripts, 1x MJD, 1x Sensor Booster w/ Range Script - leaves 1 spot; can do another Omni for more drone range, a prop mod, cap recharger...your choice Lows: 3xDDA, 1x Rep, MIssion Resists Rigs: Probably tank related, using Sentry damage rigs only net another 4% dps or so
Can use similar ideas with missile boats, but then youre counting volleys and its a giant PITA.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.11.28 01:53:11 -
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pirate bs prices are so low you could really go with just about anything but a marauder for under 1bil. If you want some more specific recommendations your budget and skills would help. You say you have 1.5m sp so for now I'd probably look for something you can fit a micro jump drive to and use it as either a panic button, or something to control range and snipe things as they approach you and can't do much damage.
Raven with cruise and shield tank. The thing has been popular for years thanks to requiring almost no brain cells to fly dominix with sentry drones and armor or shield tank, the thing is pretty flexible. Also with drones it is very easy to fly. Minny bs: I don't have a clear favorite mostly because the mach is so strong. the maelstrom seems pretty good for a t1 option. Apoc for amarr, em/therm isn't too bad of a damage type as long as you aren't constantly shooting gurista/angel pirates.
Of course for the most part navy versions work as well or better.
as for pirate bs at this point pushing one over 1b requires a bunch of bling, and will mostly consist of using faction damage mods which aren't needed for the most part. Machariel: amazing ship 100% recommend. super fast, hard hitting, tank may be a bit light if you aren't used to the missions rattlesnake: tons of tank and damage, although the thing is a bit too slow for me. nightmare: awesome laser platform. great projection and damage with tachyons, and can run a large shield tank on top. barghest: great missile platform, and the ship is pretty fast.
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Kosomot
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.28 02:03:05 -
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Not cost a billion sure.
I fly a dominix for lvl 4 sentry sniper.
couple hundred million maybe 225.
t2 fix, t2 drones (t2 sentries changed my Mission Life).
slow as hell and you look like a shoe but works really well.
and yes any BS fitted with appropriate skills gets the job done.
and it doesn't have to be cap stable if your smart.
or if you like t3's ...well then you are getting closer to a bill however way more fun than a BS.
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Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
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Posted - 2016.11.28 02:07:34 -
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Like mentioned above, drone BS are good for less than 1B isk and low-is SP level. Rattlesnake is really good, if you can fit it out right, else I personally liked the Navy Domi. With drone ships though, you'll spend a lot of time pulling drones back to bay when they catch agro, so you're not replacing drones all the time. It's a little better with the Rattlesnake because the ship traits buff the heavy drone HP by a large amount; you want to pair that ship up with a Gecko. The Rattlesnake might be worth the wait in SP training for it if you're patient enough. |
Nakota Joe Nakota
Ore Core Runners
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Posted - 2016.11.28 02:38:07 -
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drake with passive tank can do l4's...but to be sure the navy drake can run them easier. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.11.28 08:06:13 -
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Shield boosting Raven with cruise missiles and target painter is a great, relatively cheap mission runner.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.11.28 08:20:59 -
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My beloved bog standard Dominix with mjd and sentry drones.
No need to buy ammo.
Virtually no cap usage and brutally effective.
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.11.28 08:30:17 -
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Elenahina wrote:I've always been fond of the Navy Domi with Sentries.
Warp in at range, blap everything and then MWD around to scoop loot if you like.
The Nestor is also good at this, and tends to deal a bit more DPS, but it's close to 100 million more for the hull.
For the money, the typhoon fleet issue or the rattlesnake will give you just as good performance with at a 200 million ISK discount on the hull.
I guess the real question here is what can you fly?
It doesn't make any sense to use a Navy Domi or Nestor for sentries, the normal Domi is much better at that.
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Captain Campion
Campion Corp.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 10:29:44 -
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Rennfeuer Project.Mayhem.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 10:30:20 -
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back in the days i used passive shield arty cane and passive shield drake ( purger) ...... now faction bcs should be able to do these level 4 missions or? Rail Brutix Navy or Harbinger navy with beams! |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.28 11:34:14 -
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Vigirr wrote:Elenahina wrote:I've always been fond of the Navy Domi with Sentries.
Warp in at range, blap everything and then MWD around to scoop loot if you like.
The Nestor is also good at this, and tends to deal a bit more DPS, but it's close to 100 million more for the hull.
For the money, the typhoon fleet issue or the rattlesnake will give you just as good performance with at a 200 million ISK discount on the hull.
I guess the real question here is what can you fly? It doesn't make any sense to use a Navy Domi or Nestor for sentries, the normal Domi is much better at that. Especially for low SP characters.
I would actually have thought the Navy Domi would be better for lower SP characters since it has more fitting room. Can you elaborate?
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2016.11.28 11:46:21 -
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hmm, OP wanted the cheapest if not neccesarily the fastest.......
Get a drake, a drake BC (t1) with t2 missiles can still do level 4's and depending on fitting choices requires minimal to no cap management.
Might take a bit longer than some other ships...but you can fit it for under 75 million isk and do Lv4's without having to warp in and out.
And yeah b4 anyone goes and tries to knock me for mentioning the drake, the drake of today can still do nullsec anoms solo in the right hands..... And I have used the Drake to help teach newbros how to manage their cap by having them do lv4's solo from the first time they can access them. (Yes, first few missions you go in cloak and watch...only intefere if they are really require it, otherwise give helpful hints over voice comms, and let them do the mission themselves.) |
Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
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Posted - 2016.11.28 12:41:37 -
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500 Mil Tengu HAM fit with Active Shield can be made cap stable. This is a little bit slower than a Rattlesnake or a Sentry Domi, but I like flying a Tengu so..... prejudice. |
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
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Posted - 2016.11.28 12:46:56 -
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Vexor Navy Issue, afterburner, heavy drones and armor reppers seem to be a thing out in my neighbourhood.
Personally I like a sentry fit Dominix rigged for max DPS with MJD - range is my tank. I am also lazy, so there is that to consider.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14955
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Posted - 2016.11.28 13:17:59 -
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Valkyrie Harkonnen wrote:Considering Ship+Fitting?
If you have 1.5 mil SP and don't know anything about lvl4 missioning, your question is WAY premature. You need to learn way more about the game, going into lvl 4 missions before you do just means a whole lot of unnecessary frustration and losses.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.28 13:26:12 -
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No offence, and I dont mean to derail thread, but there is something that chafes me the wrong way about flying 1bil ships in HS for L4s.
Yes, I get that everyone plays in the sandbox in their own way. Yes, I get HS is "safe", and L4s are profitable, grindable if you have a system, even better when blitzed. Yes, I get that PvE farming in null sov is even more "safe" and profitable.
Iwas watching a streamer run salvage/loot Worms in HS with Orca boost, just waiting for some entitled HS L4 farmer to engage. He stole tags off wrecks and salvaged the rest. Good isk. If he was engaged, he orbitted close, immune, ans scramming. The he gave an ultima5um, pay ransom and abandon ship of I will destroy you.
Hed turn on neuts and destroy active tanks so either the NPC spawns0 fi nishes him, or drones etc whittle him down. If they agreed ro ransom, hed then scram the capsule too, and destroy that too if possible. Cos. Then occupy the abandoned ship and fly it off to add to his collection in a nearby station.
Plus the Killright came into play as either transferable to an ally to aggress a target too big to deal with alone, or for re-sale.
I found this heartening. I think I got the whole process, but I might be wrong on parts of it,
Flying insanly bling ships in HS to farm L4s is necessarily mitigated. The NS situa5ion is a different matter.
But yeah. Bling L4 grinding in HS is a cancer. Dont do it with more than you need to complete.
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