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Angry Dan
Caldari
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Angry Dan on 04/04/2007 20:46:34
Edited by: Angry Dan on 04/04/2007 20:40:55 - goddamn links
And there exactly on my mark, was the Nyx.
So we gave it everything we had
And it stayed there.
We knew it was us vs the Nyx, and it ahd only 4 or 5 support ships, only only problem was if it jumped.
So we hit it with everything we had.
and then
bang, gone.
to F-DT00?
Thats, like, deeper into the pocket? wtf? Were they drunk or something? Or had they been buying some top grade gear from serpentis again?
So we tried for a second bite of the cherry.
We failed, we lost ships, but we kept The Establishment bottled up in a dead end system.
So, we waited. The Establishment went out to the Oort cloud (okay logged, it was late), and we wnet back to our POS. NOS command laid our plans, because they had to leave somehow, and that meant bakc the way they came.
The following night, our comms chatter was intense. NOS had prepared. This time, instead of 29 of our allies in every rustbucket we could darg togethere, it would be our finest fleet, with the best tactics our strategists could muster.
when Ign0ramus was sighted on F-FT00. We mustered in QBL-BV, and set up a fixed position at the gate. 45 ships of all classes arrived, bubbles were deployed.
And we waited
and waited
And our enemies didn't show. They were seen in local comms channels, but no movemnet. They stayed hidden, beyond the sight of our scouts, even using the observator probe.
They escaped, but for a bunch of n00bs, carebears and miners, we tried. And we came as close as anyone else did at that time. And I'm proud to have organised that attmept.
Well Played Establishement, it was an honour to fight you guys.
And it's great to see you around, no one else fights with balls like those.
Sorry about the screenshot quality, but to get decent FPS, I had the settings on awful 
Founder member of the Huzzah Federation.Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence  Originally by: Butter Dog
Good Sportsmanship > Winning.
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Angry Dan
Caldari
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Angry Dan on 04/04/2007 20:46:34
Edited by: Angry Dan on 04/04/2007 20:40:55 - goddamn links
And there exactly on my mark, was the Nyx.
So we gave it everything we had
And it stayed there.
We knew it was us vs the Nyx, and it ahd only 4 or 5 support ships, only only problem was if it jumped.
So we hit it with everything we had.
and then
bang, gone.
to F-DT00?
Thats, like, deeper into the pocket? wtf? Were they drunk or something? Or had they been buying some top grade gear from serpentis again?
So we tried for a second bite of the cherry.
We failed, we lost ships, but we kept The Establishment bottled up in a dead end system.
So, we waited. The Establishment went out to the Oort cloud (okay logged, it was late), and we wnet back to our POS. NOS command laid our plans, because they had to leave somehow, and that meant bakc the way they came.
The following night, our comms chatter was intense. NOS had prepared. This time, instead of 29 of our allies in every rustbucket we could darg togethere, it would be our finest fleet, with the best tactics our strategists could muster.
when Ign0ramus was sighted on F-FT00. We mustered in QBL-BV, and set up a fixed position at the gate. 45 ships of all classes arrived, bubbles were deployed.
And we waited
and waited
And our enemies didn't show. They were seen in local comms channels, but no movemnet. They stayed hidden, beyond the sight of our scouts, even using the observator probe.
They escaped, but for a bunch of n00bs, carebears and miners, we tried. And we came as close as anyone else did at that time. And I'm proud to have organised that attmept.
Well Played Establishement, it was an honour to fight you guys.
And it's great to see you around, no one else fights with balls like those.
Sorry about the screenshot quality, but to get decent FPS, I had the settings on awful
Founder member of the Huzzah Federation.Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Originally by: Butter Dog
Good Sportsmanship > Winning.
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Ben Hump
Minmatar
The Kru
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Posted - 2007.04.04 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ben Hump on 04/04/2007 21:00:24
congrats est. thankfully i have only been on the good site of the standings table of Hera. You guys remember the time we took out like 12 battleships in assah with like 5 guys, good time indeed
May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard
"Yes Mister Tristan"
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.04.04 21:10:00 -
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Just shows to me that motherships need a nerf bat.
Nice stories though.
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Mi Lai
Under Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:07:00 -
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I met The Nyx on several occassions, first around Derelik, later for a passing by through Huola.
Reading this story, I allmost feel bad not having died to this ship yet  .
And yeah, CCP, please give it a skin.
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FalconHawk
Amarr
Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: FalconHawk on 04/04/2007 22:10:30
you will never get me ...hopefully 
and take your time no need for a quick visit in the near future
lol and nearly forgot what i wanted to say "Grats for keeping the Beast alive for over a year"
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Johnny Santos
Beginning of the End
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Santos on 04/04/2007 22:37:53
Under my old main char Insane Angel (sold quite sometime ago), I use to fight you ange1, up in Fountain when you came in with Shinra to help end FA.
I had fun fighting yall, you guys are good pilots. I see alot of familiar names that I fought at one point or another. I have also been following kills and threads of the establishment for sometime.
I think its cool that you have been fighting constantly with not as much support for your big gurl, and have still been very successful and have not lost her.
Whereas Ass-hat alliances need to throw everything they have at each other to prove their worth.
Goodjob, Goodluck. I doubt CCP will help you with the skin, however, I feel it is appropriate that it is recognized with it.
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:04:00 -
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In honor of the birthday and to give people even more incentive to down it (and because rawthorm is so rich, I remember that CNR he lost he Fountain :P) can you reveal the 3 most expensive modules fitted to Hera?
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:06:00 -
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nice writeup.
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James 315
Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
Just shows to me that motherships need a nerf bat.
Nice stories though.
Agreed. I'd like to believe that it was through skill alone that the Nyx survived this long, and a lot of respect has to be given The Establishment for using that ship to its limits. But really, a year of constant combat and it's not dead? It's conceivable that Establishment's Nyx could survive indefinitely, no matter how many battles it takes part in. Sounds like the immunity to warp scramblers is the controlling factor. If the stabbabond and even the nano-ships get whacked by the nerfbat, I think this should qualify as the next target. The relative scarcity of super capitals shouldn't exempt them from balancing concerns. A base warp core strength like the transport ships have would be fix enough, I think.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:10:00 -
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I got to shoot the Nyx when I was in AXE, and it came down to camp the pipe between catch and impasse.
We brought enough ships to be a threat, and other then a few frigs and the poor dictors lost to the smartbombs(bubble dropped after nyx warp initiated) we lost nothing else, and the nyx warped off the gate. We did not have proper bump ships.
not a great battle by any means, but i was so excited to be shooting at a MS, i could barely click my mouse.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rawthorm on 04/04/2007 23:49:13
Edited by: Rawthorm on 04/04/2007 23:48:18
ItFs defiantly been a fun year piloting Hera. When we first started using her, she barely had any skills at all and the first few months were very much a case of edging her into fights one battle at a time and cranking it up to see what she was capable of dishing out and taking back. It was an interesting time as few people had seen a mothership, so the attempts to kill her were regular providing some great skirmishes as both ourselves and our opponents learned what she was truly capable of.
There have also been times early on in her service, where people not used to seeing a mothership assumed it was a carrier. Once such instance arose in IAS-I5 when my corp mate DeMundus had been skirmishing with some RUS and RAT when I jumped Hera into the system to assist. When a fight failed to materialize I placed Hera at the entrance to the plex they were intending to run. It seems that they reported Hera as a Thanatos because 15 minutes later local jumped and 8 fully faction fitted vessels including 2 Machariels dropped out of warp to try and reclaim their complex. 
Originally by: Angry Dan
**Much Typing**
It was a great attempt you guys made and much credit to your form up speed. Despite having 9 of us one on ADSL connection, (and being slightly busy with the consumption of much rum) we gave it a shot and it was all a good part of learning her limits. I am extremely grateful that people like yourselves made such attempts on Hera during her first 12 months of service. Without these ballsy attempts to have a stab at her, my experience as a mothership pilot would be a shadow of what it is now.
Originally by: James 315
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
Just shows to me that motherships need a nerf bat.
Nice stories though.
Agreed. I'd like to believe that it was through skill alone that the Nyx survived this long, and a lot of respect has to be given The Establishment for using that ship to its limits. But really, a year of constant combat and it's not dead? It's conceivable that Establishment's Nyx could survive indefinitely, no matter how many battles it takes part in. Sounds like the immunity to warp scramblers is the controlling factor. If the stabbabond and even the nano-ships get whacked by the nerfbat, I think this should qualify as the next target. The relative scarcity of super capitals shouldn't exempt them from balancing concerns. A base warp core strength like the transport ships have would be fix enough, I think.
I can understand why some people might feel as you do, however you should at least try a mothership on the test server sometime before making such a rash judgement. They are defiantly hard to pin down but not impossible. To give them a stab value built in would simply see the invention of say a tackle Moros to pin her down and given how weak fighters really are, it would be total overkill and relegate these ships to pos warfare. This is something weFve tried to lead the charge away from with our use of Hera in the ways that we have. In either case letFs leave such a debate for one of the many forum posts regarding Motherships in general.
Originally by: Baun
In honor of the birthday and to give people even more incentive to down it (and because rawthorm is so rich, I remember that CNR he lost he Fountain :P) can you reveal the 3 most expensive modules fitted to Hera?
Maybe not the most expensive but I think my favourite 3 are the Tobias modified warp disruptor, the Cormacks modified energized adaptive nano membrane and the Estamels modified cloaking device
And for referance im not rich 
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James 315
Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.05 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
I can understand why some people might feel as you do, however you should at least try a mothership on the test server sometime before making such a rash judgement. They are defiantly hard to pin down but not impossible. To give them a stab value built in would simply see the invention of say a tackle Moros to pin her down and given how weak fighters really are, it would be total overkill and relegate these ships to pos warfare.
I don't doubt that you've lost a heck of a lot of isk due to lost fighters. Of course, you'd need to lose many hundreds of fighters to lose isk on the same level of the mothership itself.
While it's not impossible to pin down a mothership, "impossible" is not the standard. It was not impossible to pin down nano-BS's, either. The question is whether the ship is imbalanced enough to warrant a correction. In other words, it's hard to tackle a mothership, but is it TOO hard to tackle a mothership?
CCP determined it was too hard to tackle a nano-BS. The fact is, you've spent a year in heavy combat and have not yet been successfully tackled. (And not for lack of coordinated attempts, from the looks of this thread!) I think that qualifies as too hard to tackle.
As you've pointed out, the imbalanced super-capital issue is discussed elsewhere, but the stories of Hera's adventures over the past year and all the action it's seen just brought the balancing issue to my mind when I read them. If/When the balancing issue gets fixed I'm sure Hera and The Establishment will provide their enemies with some even more interesting battles...
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.05 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
And for referance im not rich
Ya right :o. When you lost that CNR it was worth like 8bil. Im guessing the market value of that ship you fly (fitted) is over 60billion isk (maybe more).
Anyway, thanks for sharing those mods. I want a special cloakermajig too D:
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Illiot
Illiot Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.05 00:43:00 -
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Yes, this is a alt... My main is Antion, in ISSN, who is currently in subscription limbo until friday 
Anyways, i have much respect for The Establishment, and that damn Nyx
Many a thread in ISS forums were started to figure out best way to take it down, but you guys were so careful with it, that our plans were never doable when you did show up.
My best memory, and the longest time i've watched The Nyx was just after i first got a Pilgrim. Flew it down to KDF, only to hear that You guys with another alliance (name escapes me) were assaulting our outpost in IS-R7P.
So i wonder over, manage to get in system, and get to watch for an hour while you guys took down the station shields, and Ignoramus in that damned Nyx kept warping in and out...
Was quite fun.
To this day, i still got Ignoramus in my address book, just so i know when he's around ;)
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Verone
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.05 01:00:00 -
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I've had the pleasure of being in a gang with Hera.
Never underestimate the power of this ship, it has something that no other mothership has.
Purebred pirate blood.
Happy Birthday 
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.05 01:14:00 -
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i choose you herachu! evolve into... err.. something-chu! yeah... that would rock.
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.05 01:38:00 -
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Happy Birthday to the Beasty.
Was there for the op when you took down our freighter. It was supposed to be a quick jaunt with a small escort. Wasn't quite expecting that much nastiness haha. You almost bagged my Typhoon as well but luckily I managed to mwd out of scram range before dropping below 50% structure.
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iiixiii
ToXiC.
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.05 01:46:00 -
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Congratualtions on Hera's birthday The establishment may her life be long! Let hope this will be a even greater BBQ year for her! Goodluck!
ToXiC CEO - Too Ducky
ToXiC Co-Ceo - iiixiii
Recruitment Officer - C*ck
iiixiii |
ary mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.05 02:10:00 -
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re-skin! re-skin!
gotta love est., win or lose.
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R'adeh
Gallente
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: R''adeh on 05/04/2007 07:29:00
Happy birthday sexy Nyx
PS: If you get a reskinned Nyx, I want CCP to reskin my first Velator (yes, it's still alive). Rainbow colors with a black pirate skull please...gonna sell it to Backdoor Bandit for 2bil ISK 
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Elliott Manchild
omen.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:41:00 -
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Woo. A years gone fast!
I still remeber talking to ange1 just after you picked it up and showed me some pictures just before the forum post that you had it.
Hopefully you will have it for another year and many more kills =]
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 05/04/2007 08:00:37
Originally by: James 315
Originally by: Rawthorm
I can understand why some people might feel as you do, however you should at least try a mothership on the test server sometime before making such a rash judgement. They are defiantly hard to pin down but not impossible. To give them a stab value built in would simply see the invention of say a tackle Moros to pin her down and given how weak fighters really are, it would be total overkill and relegate these ships to pos warfare.
I don't doubt that you've lost a heck of a lot of isk due to lost fighters. Of course, you'd need to lose many hundreds of fighters to lose isk on the same level of the mothership itself.
While it's not impossible to pin down a mothership, "impossible" is not the standard. It was not impossible to pin down nano-BS's, either. The question is whether the ship is imbalanced enough to warrant a correction. In other words, it's hard to tackle a mothership, but is it TOO hard to tackle a mothership?
CCP determined it was too hard to tackle a nano-BS. The fact is, you've spent a year in heavy combat and have not yet been successfully tackled. (And not for lack of coordinated attempts, from the looks of this thread!) I think that qualifies as too hard to tackle.
As you've pointed out, the imbalanced super-capital issue is discussed elsewhere, but the stories of Hera's adventures over the past year and all the action it's seen just brought the balancing issue to my mind when I read them. If/When the balancing issue gets fixed I'm sure Hera and The Establishment will provide their enemies with some even more interesting battles...
I completely agree. You mentioned a specific example where Outbreak had you completely capped out, and bumped. Even with all that work... all that organization to take you down, you survived.
You can tell me how the fighters are weak, etc, but being able to engage in combat with completely no risk is something Eve should not be promoting. And honestly, bumping is such a lame thing to rely on for balance, in a game where you don't even have manual control of your ships.
Honestly though, that's not the point of this thread. You guys seemed to have great times flying this ship.
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jarack
Energy.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:09:00 -
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Quote:
Maybe not the most expensive but I think my favourite 3 are the Tobias modified warp disruptor, the Cormacks modified energized adaptive nano membrane and the Estamels modified cloaking device
And for referance im not rich
So you bought that Officer fitted Vindicator from my mate just for this item.
Jarack.
Energy. Recruitment
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:46:00 -
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Happy birthay Hera
I'm still kind of surprised that Gob didn't get Rawthorn killed
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:52:00 -
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graz guys.
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P.S.
Post with your main.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:49:00 -
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Grats Hera. May there be many more.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Chowdown
Gallente
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: James 315
Originally by: Rawthorm
I can understand why some people might feel as you do, however you should at least try a mothership on the test server sometime before making such a rash judgement. They are defiantly hard to pin down but not impossible. To give them a stab value built in would simply see the invention of say a tackle Moros to pin her down and given how weak fighters really are, it would be total overkill and relegate these ships to pos warfare.
I don't doubt that you've lost a heck of a lot of isk due to lost fighters. Of course, you'd need to lose many hundreds of fighters to lose isk on the same level of the mothership itself.
While it's not impossible to pin down a mothership, "impossible" is not the standard. It was not impossible to pin down nano-BS's, either. The question is whether the ship is imbalanced enough to warrant a correction. In other words, it's hard to tackle a mothership, but is it TOO hard to tackle a mothership?
CCP determined it was too hard to tackle a nano-BS. The fact is, you've spent a year in heavy combat and have not yet been successfully tackled. (And not for lack of coordinated attempts, from the looks of this thread!) I think that qualifies as too hard to tackle.
As you've pointed out, the imbalanced super-capital issue is discussed elsewhere, but the stories of Hera's adventures over the past year and all the action it's seen just brought the balancing issue to my mind when I read them. If/When the balancing issue gets fixed I'm sure Hera and The Establishment will provide their enemies with some even more interesting battles...
/me waves to goon guy from BE dt TS
http://www.eve-battlestars.net/chow.html
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Angry Dan
Caldari
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
It was a great attempt you guys made and much credit to your form up speed. Despite having 9 of us one on ADSL connection, (and being slightly busy with the consumption of much rum) we gave it a shot and it was all a good part of learning her limits. I am extremely grateful that people like yourselves made such attempts on Hera during her first 12 months of service. Without these ballsy attempts to have a stab at her, my experience as a mothership pilot would be a shadow of what it is now.
Thanks.
Must have been a good party, I wish I'd been there. If only to hear what you said when we landed at 0m We were beginning to think you were AFK  as you didn't deploy fighters or even start moving before you jumped.
I wonder if that corpse is still in GN7-XY?
We didn't so much as form up as grab every availble warm body as the blob crawled down the pipe, and then try a kamikaze dash on Hera. That blob was mostly interceptors, so theres no way we could have taken Hera in the first place.
Still, we didn't have the patience (or manpower) to maintian a 24/7 camp. And even if we did, I think you could have jumped clear from the pocket.
Originally by: Rawthorm
Maybe not the most expensive but I think my favourite 3 are the Tobias modified warp disruptor, the Cormacks modified energized adaptive nano membrane and the Estamels modified cloaking device
And for referance im not rich
Really, those mods on there own cost as much as my entire net worth.
Originally by: James 315
While it's not impossible to pin down a mothership, "impossible" is not the standard. It was not impossible to pin down nano-BS's, either. The question is whether the ship is imbalanced enough to warrant a correction. In other words, it's hard to tackle a mothership, but is it TOO hard to tackle a mothership?
CCP determined it was too hard to tackle a nano-BS. The fact is, you've spent a year in heavy combat and have not yet been successfully tackled. (And not for lack of coordinated attempts, from the looks of this thread!) I think that qualifies as too hard to tackle.
A nano bs costs 1/100th of the value of the Nyx.
Having fouhgt both, the Nyx is perfectly fine. We came close, the reason we failed was threefold 1) lack of firepower. 2) lack of nosferatu to do some suckage 3) lack of manpower to kill any possible cyno alts in nearby systems.
Hera is not invulnerable, no ship is. ask helen of STK Scientific about how invulnerable a Aeon is..... One of The reasons The Establishment are so succesful is because as a small pirate corp, most alliances don't deploy resources to track them, or plan to take them on. So there usually a surprise when they arrive, get kills and leave. Becuase Hera's arrival is unexpected, no one has people ready to try and kill it (see my write up for details). Any move is typically a scratch force, and when it's assembled, Hera is usually long gone.
Hera will be around a long time because of the skills of The Establishment.
I'm looking forward to Hera's second year
Founder member of the Huzzah Federation.
Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence
Originally by: Butter Dog
Good Sportsmanship > Winning.
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Gius Adoma
Times of Ancar
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:01:00 -
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Brilliant read!
Very interesting to know what it has been up to the last year!
I have only encountered her once though when I was in my Apoc flying back up the pipe from Scalding Pass and she locked me up!
My first ever siting of a mothership, but couldnt stay hehe, No fighters appeared mind so it may have been early days then.
Hope she lives on a good long life!
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