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Tremaine Holden
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.29 20:29:56 -
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I've actually never really had issues in games, or real life making friends but then there's Eve online.
Rewinding back to a few days ago..
A "newbro" hit me up while I was in the middle of a mission asking for help to complete his own. I normally would jump for the offer to help someone, I love helping people. Yet, I felt my adrenaline surge. The first thought process I had was asking myself is this a trap? I couldn't actually move forward with helping him cause I was so afraid I was going to get ganked or set-up that I just brushed him off, politely, and said I couldn't because I had to go soon (which in part was true, but it wasn't as immediate as I made it seem) and left chat.
I don't know what imprinted the selfish, self-preserving attitude I have towards this game. Going back to one of my earliest MMOs I've ever played, Tibia (circa. 2001), it was the same environment: risk vs reward, adrenaline fueling PvP, gankers, etc. Even in so, I had friends in that game too! Though, my best of friends played alongside me in real life so I guess that helped the trust issues part. I've played EVE for several years, off and on, but I've never been ganked or pod-killed by another player so I do not know why I feel that way, I guess its a natural defense. When you look at EVE you see a big universe, and you see these forum post about this kill mail and you read the comments, its a lot theres so many variables and there's tens of thousands of these kind of people -- its like damn, "that could've been me, y'know?" Don't get me wrong, I love PVP and the content it can generate. Warhammer AoR was my favorite MMO to date I literally PvP'd as soon as it was available to me and never saw a minute of PvE in that game. However in EVE my blueprints for my in game persona, and legacy is much different. PvP will be something I will certainly be looking into, just not right now as im currently focusing on building and conserving wealth.
Yet, this interaction, of the few I've ever had throughout my career in eve, I've found this one resonating within me negatively, and I think of it every now and then. I guess because right now im in the "phase" of building wealth independently via missions and exploration that I haven't had opportunities for player interaction.
I believe a lot of people will tell me to join a corporation, and truthfully that is very considerate advice. I feel many players have joined corporations to remedy the need or desire to "belong", but I feel opposite to that. I'm not a top notch pilot, yet, but I would like to leave that open so when the time comes I can align my goals and ambitions with a corporation who also shares the same views and values. Though, im not friend thirsty; the idea of having a battlebuddy, aka ride or die homie or even that 1 person we can turn too when we need it the most is something that is honestly priceless. I know that my goals cannot be accomplished solo down the line.
So what is there I can do that can establish a player to player friendship, or maybe even encourage interaction? |
Kojee
Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2016.11.29 20:39:07 -
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Sounds like you need to pop your cherry, buddy. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.29 20:42:36 -
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Even where the first rule of EVE is trust no one, the game is ultimately about finding people you can trust.
There's always risk in that at first, but no reason not to help a newbro. What's the worst that happens? Your ship blows up. The flip side - a new friend in game - is worth that risk in my view.
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Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
10
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Posted - 2016.11.29 20:43:31 -
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I work with gankers, good profession to meet people in as well btw, and I probably would have helped someone asking for help (and not screwed them over).
It is really easy to isolate yourself from the social aspects of this game and thus enter into the loop of self preservation. Ship explosions make friends, doesn't matter if it is your ship or theirs. Talk with these people and don't be a douche, you will get a gaggle of friends in little time. |
Tremaine Holden
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.29 20:58:37 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Even where the first rule of EVE is trust no one, the game is ultimately about finding people you can trust.
There's always risk in that, but no reason not to help a newbro.
What's the worst that happens? Your ship blows up and some lols are had. The flip side - a new friend in game - is worth that risk in my view.
Yeah I feel pretty bad for not helping the newbro, but at the time I didn't have a backup ship to undock, and I didn't want to lose a ship that took a month of saving for me to afford. Hindsight 20/20 I feel like I should have just helped them. |
Kojee
Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2016.11.29 22:02:28 -
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Tremaine Holden wrote:So what is there I can do that can establish a player to player friendship, or maybe even encourage interaction?
I stand by my previous post.
That being said, I'm a BitterVet-¬ and eye all patch notes with inherent suspicion, but on a day-to-day basis I get my enjoyment out of the relationships I've built. There are several players I've been playing with for almost a decade and will probably continue to maintain relationships with well past EVE's demise, if/when that occurs.
Some of my recommended avenues for accumulating space tras...erm, friends..
Get in fights. Seriously. Kill people, get killed; if you are gracious in your mayhem and receipt of mayhem, you will be rewarded with friendships and perhaps a style of gameplay you like more than what you're doing now Chill in the Help channel. You may have expertise a newbro needs to learn, and that's an avenue for forming a mentor/protege relationship. This has happened to me with PvP and I met a cool guy that turned out to be one of the best PvPers I've ever seen Local is not just for trolling and scouting. If you're in high-sec, engage the locals. In closing I'll say this: EVE isn't necessarily about space, ships, markets, or any of the other crap that's in it; it's more of a social game than anything else. And like in real life, generating/maintaining relationships is predicated on putting some kind of effort in at the start and over time. So get to it. |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59758
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Posted - 2016.11.29 22:16:30 -
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Kojee wrote:Tremaine Holden wrote:So what is there I can do that can establish a player to player friendship, or maybe even encourage interaction? I stand by my previous post. That being said, I'm a BitterVet-¬ and eye all patch notes with inherent suspicion, but on a day-to-day basis I get my enjoyment out of the relationships I've built. There are several players I've been playing with for almost a decade and will probably continue to maintain relationships with well past EVE's demise, if/when that occurs. Some of my recommended avenues for accumulating space tras...erm, friends.. Get in fights. Seriously. Kill people, get killed; if you are gracious in your mayhem and receipt of mayhem, you will be rewarded with friendships and perhaps a style of gameplay you like more than what you're doing now Chill in the Help channel. You may have expertise a newbro needs to learn, and that's an avenue for forming a mentor/protege relationship. This has happened to me with PvP and I met a cool guy that turned out to be one of the best PvPers I've ever seen Local is not just for trolling and scouting. If you're in high-sec, engage the locals. I guarantee you some of the local inhabitants, after getting used to your presense, will be willing or even ask to join up with you and space-chill. In closing I'll say this: EVE isn't necessarily about space, ships, markets, or any of the other crap that's in it; it's more of a social game than anything else. And like in real life, generating/maintaining relationships is predicated on putting some kind of effort in at the start and over time. So get to it.
This 100%. One more thing, though: you're on a dangerous path many of us have walked in the past..the "Just let me get enough money before I get started"-trap. Truth is, there is no such thing as "enough money", and many people find themselves endlessly grinding for ISK without actually enjoying the game. Have enough money for a few t2 fitted cruisers? Splendid, that's all you need, let's go out there and make things go boom.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1722
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Posted - 2016.11.30 03:41:32 -
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Shoot first. Make friends later.
Who put the goat in there?
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2016.11.30 03:44:59 -
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The EvE dictionary defines friend as:
noun noun: friend; plural noun: friends; noun: Friend; plural noun: Friends
1.a person with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically one exclusive of sexual or family relations who has not stabbed you in the back YET. |
Superskinny1
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.30 03:47:44 -
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Eve has become a despondent land. Brief outbursts of optimism and urge to create something we can hold as our own. We've lost all indent as pioneers willing to help others to water; we've become those that prey at others weakest moments.
But all is not lost, for now, Eve mail in game and join some of us who are still civil. |
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Paranoid Loyd
9843
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Posted - 2016.11.30 04:00:49 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Shoot first. Make friends later. Confirming this is how to make friends.
When there is something to talk about you were both a part of, it's a great ice breaker.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4642
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Posted - 2016.11.30 09:38:11 -
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Eve is a funny game. People introduce themselves with overheated guns, scrams and webs.
Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
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Salvos Rhoska
1612
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Posted - 2016.11.30 14:22:31 -
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All I seem to make is enemies angry at my posts :(
PvE v PvP
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Major Trant
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
1549
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Posted - 2016.11.30 14:40:50 -
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Is this was a newbro asking for help, surely it happened in high sec? What trap were you frightened of being caught in?
Fleeting up with someone doesn't give them the right to fire on you.
So the only danger is from a suicide gank, but who would go to such an elaborate length to target you? When they can just scan down a mission runner and suicide gank them easier, while knowing exactly what the target would be flying.
I guess this may have been a low level mission, so you wouldn't even need to bring your mission BS, but a cruiser or smaller? |
Kojee
Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2016.11.30 15:29:40 -
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Major Trant wrote:So the only danger is from a suicide gank, but who would go to such an elaborate length to target you? When they can just scan down a mission runner and suicide gank them easier, while knowing exactly what the target would be flying.
It's not always about the opportunities... it's more about the catch. And a juicy hauler, mining barge or orca is a great catch. |
Major Trant
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
1549
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Posted - 2016.11.30 16:09:37 -
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Kojee wrote:Major Trant wrote:So the only danger is from a suicide gank, but who would go to such an elaborate length to target you? When they can just scan down a mission runner and suicide gank them easier, while knowing exactly what the target would be flying. It's not always about the opportunities... it's more about the catch. And a juicy hauler, mining barge or orca is a great catch. Did you read the OP? He was asked to help out in a mission, why would he take a juicy hauler, mining barge or orca into someone else's mission? Even if the mission didn't exist, why would he even be flying them if he just thought he was on the way to help a newbro in an L2 mission in hi sec for example.
I'm trying to establish the facts, was it is high sec? What mission level was it? Trying to understand whether the OP simply didn't understand a mechanic. Many people are still confused as to whether fleeting up grants fleetmates the ability to gank you without Concord response for example. |
Kojee
Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2016.11.30 16:21:19 -
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Major Trant wrote:Did you read the OP?
Yes. I was merely postulating and explaining why someone might do such a thing.
If it was me, I would whip out my 2003 edition of the Pirate Play Book-¬ and try to get him into a situation where I could pop him, if he was flying something juicy enough. But hey, I'm just a BitterVet-¬ trying to make content.
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Fionna Da'gere
Patriot Security Services Solyaris Chtonium
11
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Posted - 2016.11.30 16:27:35 -
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Tremaine Holden wrote: So what is there I can do that can establish a player to player friendship, or maybe even encourage interaction?
I think the main thing is to get away from running missions.
They're boring, repetitive, and only loosely relate to other forms of eve combat. All the rest of the advice is appropriate, go out, explore, get in fights in low sec, hunt criminals (though beware of bait, it's common now) and generally interact with the rest of the people around you.
I'll tell you what - this game is WAY more fun when played with friends. There's plenty of 'em out there if you look. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2702
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Posted - 2016.11.30 16:34:58 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Shoot first. Make friends later. Quoting for emphasis. Virtually all of my in-game friends that I didn't know outside of EvE I made by shooting at them, or a friend of theirs. Heck, I got into my first "real" corp by ganking two of the corp's pilots in a losec belt. The CEO was impressed that I would take on 2-1 odds (and win) and invited me on the spot.
So get out there and make friends at the business end of a gun. You'll like it.
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My Many Misadventures
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DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2912
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Posted - 2016.11.30 17:16:49 -
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The fastest way to make friends is to join a corp. People when working together towards a common goal tend to form bonds.
Even if that goal is sitting around and chatting while you do your own thing.
Its just easier to do it in a corp.
Now if you don;t want to join a corp, but still want buddies, then do as advised:
Sit int he help channel and assist.
Chat in local (won;t always work)
you coudl also join one of the social fleets (bomber bar, NPSI, C4K Roam, Roam for Reps, etc)
or join one of the many social channels, like thebestofus if your ex millitary.
Just look around.
The point is, much like real life, to make a friend you need to put yourself out there. I mean we all have one thing in common already, we all play this awesome game. Just find a spot and talk to people.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Eve For life.
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DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2912
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Posted - 2016.11.30 17:19:43 -
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After re-reading the op, my advice for you is to join one of the social fleets for a roam. will be easier for you to find a battle buddy then joining a corp tbh
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Eve For life.
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Tremaine Holden
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.11.30 17:20:07 -
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Major Trant wrote:Kojee wrote:Major Trant wrote:So the only danger is from a suicide gank, but who would go to such an elaborate length to target you? When they can just scan down a mission runner and suicide gank them easier, while knowing exactly what the target would be flying. It's not always about the opportunities... it's more about the catch. And a juicy hauler, mining barge or orca is a great catch. Did you read the OP? He was asked to help out in a mission, why would he take a juicy hauler, mining barge or orca into someone else's mission? Even if the mission didn't exist, why would he even be flying them if he just thought he was on the way to help a newbro in an L2 mission in hi sec for example. I'm trying to establish the facts, was it is high sec? What mission level was it? Trying to understand whether the OP simply didn't understand a mechanic. Many people are still confused as to whether fleeting up grants fleetmates the ability to gank you without Concord response for example.
This was in 0.5 territory, I was on a level 3 mission in a relatively expensive cruiser; I believe the newbro probably was doing a level 2 or even level 1 mission. The person sent me a fleet request too.
But damn, I'm so out of it and because I've avoided PvP/etc for so long I didn't know how to process whether or not it was a genuine request for assistance; I immediately passed judgment it was a trap and told them I couldn't help because I was leaving soon. |
Prince Kobol
2500
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Posted - 2016.11.30 17:48:54 -
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Kojee wrote:Tremaine Holden wrote:So what is there I can do that can establish a player to player friendship, or maybe even encourage interaction? I stand by my previous post. That being said, I'm a BitterVet-¬ and eye all patch notes with inherent suspicion, but on a day-to-day basis I get my enjoyment out of the relationships I've built. There are several players I've been playing with for almost a decade and will probably continue to maintain relationships with well past EVE's demise, if/when that occurs. Some of my recommended avenues for accumulating space tras...erm, friends.. Get in fights. Seriously. Kill people, get killed; if you are gracious in your mayhem and receipt of mayhem, you will be rewarded with friendships and perhaps a style of gameplay you like more than what you're doing now Chill in the Help channel. You may have expertise a newbro needs to learn, and that's an avenue for forming a mentor/protege relationship. This has happened to me with PvP and I met a cool guy that turned out to be one of the best PvPers I've ever seen Local is not just for trolling and scouting. If you're in high-sec, engage the locals. I guarantee you some of the local inhabitants, after getting used to your presense, will be willing or even ask to join up with you and space-chill. In closing I'll say this: EVE isn't necessarily about space, ships, markets, or any of the other crap that's in it; it's more of a social game than anything else. And like in real life, generating/maintaining relationships is predicated on putting some kind of effort in at the start and over time. So get to it.
Great post.
In all the years I played this game I can say that I have only ever really trusted 10 people out of the hundreds I have met. Some may say only 10 in years out of hundreds isn't so good but those 10 were something special and they were people I would of never met in any other game. |
Kara Hawke
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.30 18:45:59 -
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Meh I get suspicious whenever anyone private messages me.. |
P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.30 18:55:40 -
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Trust no one yet trust your alt :) |
2Sonas1Cup
158
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Posted - 2016.11.30 21:56:58 -
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I still have some spots on my friends list for sale, if anyone wants a new friend Iits 10 million isks and I add you as my friend. |
Doddy
Excidium.
957
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Posted - 2016.12.01 05:10:43 -
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The real question is how do you get by in real life? While most of us are not at risk of being shot in the face by anyone we meet we all have to use trust effectively. If a stranger in the street asks you for help in some way you might well offer it, but only if it risks little to you. You wouldn't lend a stranger your life savings and eve is exactly the same. Having difficulty trusting strangers is healthy, you shouldn't trust strangers. Not trusting strangers doesn't mean you can't get to know them so you can decide whether they stop being strangers.
Really you just need to be sensible. If you are in hi sec, with your safety turned on, flying a ship that isn't a suicide gank target what do you have to lose? The potential gain is somebody who could be a friend for life who will make your gameplay a hundred times more rewarding. Seems worth the risk tbh. |
gfldex
801
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Posted - 2016.12.01 09:02:05 -
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Tremaine Holden wrote:I couldn't actually move forward with helping him cause I was so afraid I was going to get ganked or set-up that I just brushed him off, politely, and said I couldn't because I had to go soon (which in part was true, but it wasn't as immediate as I made it seem) and left chat.
You never ganked anyone yourself. As a result you don't know what works and what doesn't. I lost a Paladin to a highsec gank before we had Bastion mods. I found it most annoying that I had to go to Jita to buy a new one. I felt that way because I removed close to 100 Hulks from highsec belts.
Tremaine Holden wrote: I'm not a top notch pilot, yet,
And you are not going to become one because you are to afraid to play the game you pay for.
Tremaine Holden wrote: but I would like to leave that open so when the time comes I can align my goals and ambitions with a corporation who also shares the same views and values.
There are no values in EVE Online. Only targets that you can kill and those that you can't. The faster you realise that anything you see on screen, both your assets and the assets of other players, are the sole property of CCP Games, the faster you will have fun. If you explode somebody else ship, you don't. You use a game piece given to the player by CCP Games. If you have your own ship exploded by some other player the same applies. You can't lose a ship because it isn't yours in the first place.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
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Major Trant
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
1549
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Posted - 2016.12.01 10:19:04 -
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I think the phrase "Trust nobody" is overused in Eve. There are plenty of situations where you can trust people in a limited fashion especially in high sec, the key is to trust them on your terms and minimise your risk. Maybe you will get stuffed now and again, but most of the time you will get a positive experience and you will get more out of it overall if you jump in and interact at most opportunities.
In the situation described by the OP, I wouldn't accept a fleet invite from a random in local asking for help. But I would send them a fleet invite after getting into a ship appropriate to help (but which I can afford to lose) as established by the conversation. Obviously, never put your number 1 mission ship that you can't afford to lose on the line for them. Furthermore, I'd send the invite from a place which has a GTFO option, eg The undock or a highsec gate, certainly not my mission space.
Accepting a fleet invite gives them control, not only when, but you don't know whether others are in fleet until you join and even if not, they have the control to invite others and fleet warp you around.
Sending a fleet invite tells you immediately whether the other pilot is already in a fleet and if not and he accepts, he can't invite others to the fleet or fleet warp you. You also get to see the Fleet data telling you what ship they are flying and what system they are actually in.
As I said before, being in fleet doesn't give pilots the right to shoot one another. But it does allow them to loot one another's wreaks and cans, but only wreaks and cans that were created while they were fleeted up. Be careful of them dropping fleet at the end and then dropping you a reward can after. But if you keep your safety set to green, you won't be able to loot a can/wreak that will give you a suspect flag. |
Serafiel
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2016.12.01 10:21:14 -
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P3ps1 Max wrote:Trust no one yet trust your alt :)
I wouldnt trust my alt. That bastard. |
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