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Small Blue
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:26:00 -
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Hi,
what possibilities does Eve offer to ensure that I do not get scammed when I buy a mothership? From game mechanic side there is none. Is this on purpose? Did I miss something? Does CCP offer the possibility to function like paypal?
As someone who needs long term goals this is quite important 4 me.
Cheers
Small Blue
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Alski on 05/04/2007 10:34:37 Absoluteley no assuarance whatsoever
the possability of getting scammed is part of the game, your only option is seek out a trusted corp with a reputation of handleing this sort of stuff, such as NAGA (if they are still around) who built The Establishments Nyx for them for example (for a very modest fee)
Your other possability is setup a POS in lowsec and build it yourself, this wouldent be difficult and considering the Mum would cost 15b isk minus fighters and fittings, 1b isk (iirc) for a capital manufactureing array wouldent be much plus you could sell it and all the other pos components when your done. -
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:50:00 -
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You need sovereignty over a system to anchor a cap ship array iirc, so unless you are in a large and capable alliance you're as well paying someone like NAGA to do it for you.
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Monica Foulkes
Hooligans Of War Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Alski Your other possability is setup a POS in lowsec and build it yourself, this wouldent be difficult and considering the Mum would cost 15b isk minus fighters and fittings, 1b isk (iirc) for a capital manufactureing array wouldent be much plus you could sell it and all the other pos components when your done.
Except you need system souvereignity to anchor the capital ship array.
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Small Blue
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:55:00 -
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Everyone and his mother could build a mothership when it would be that easy....
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:55:00 -
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Also, so far almost all mothership sales have gone as follows
1. Seller Turn up in Mothership as proof to buyer 2. Buyer hands isk over to Seller or Third party 3. Seller pods buyer and splits the isk with Third Party (if there is one)
With that said, there have been some genuine MS sales, but for each genuine sale, there probebly is a dozen scams. --
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:56:00 -
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Buy one at ADGA
www.gattacus.com
respected corp for almost 4 years now. 100% garanteed you will not be ripped off ->My Vids<- CCP= More skilz more moneh! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:59:00 -
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afaik the safest way is to have both parties agree upon a trusted 3rd party which will hold the ship and isk until the trade is completed.
My services as acting as a trusted 3rd party is still available for any interested parties.
In cases where the MS is a Nyx or Aeon I will be able to fly it to ensure that either party do not run off with both ship and money, in cases where the MS is of other race I will only be able to hold the money.
Feel free to drop me a mail or convo in-game if you are interested.
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Maverick McDougel
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:09:00 -
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get a third party person you can trust like Chribba is the only way to make it even semi safe.
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Verone
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:18:00 -
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A trusted third party to hold the ISK is always a good Idea.
I also offer this service.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Tom Shandy
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:46:00 -
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nope im afraid there is no way to gurantee you will not getripped off, Trusting forum *****s is also not a safe way either in my book.
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Mortecai
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Shandy nope im afraid there is no way to gurantee you will not getripped off, Trusting forum *****s is also not a safe way either in my book.
While the meaning of honor and credibility is lost to many these days in eve (It's the way the game has evolved) I still hold few selected forum warriors (who I have never even talked to) in high regard in terms of their integrity. For them to loose it for the price of a mothership these days is selling all they have achieved for pocket change.
So if I was ever to buy one I would contact one of them to help me arrange it.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba *offer of trustable 3rd party*
ohnoes! Chribba's trying to expand his Veldfleet! -
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Logi3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:10:00 -
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I can vouch for Verone. Hell, check out the EON #7 hes in there as one of the top CEO's
Back to basics, back to pirating |
Arx Impera
Amarr Gr0und Zer0
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
A trusted third party to hold the ISK is always a good Idea.
I also offer this service.
One of the most well known pirate CEOs offering this service is just...ironic Not dismissing the referal, i just find it funny considering it all
Doesnt BIG still mediate this kind of things? NAGA is to be considered too. Chribba just offered his service... What about forum superstars, like Dark Shikari? Would they steal, i wonder...
I can offer you my mediating services, but I'd probably just steal as I could
...who of course promptly went bat****, flipped out and killed some people. |
Small Blue
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:05:00 -
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3rd person is surely not a bad idea, but this also means that there is one person more (100%) you have to trust...
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Arx Impera
Amarr Gr0und Zer0
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Small Blue 3rd person is surely not a bad idea, but this also means that there is one person more (100%) you have to trust...
Not really, it just transfers the trust from one unknown person to a person that likes to hold his reputation in this game; Because then you are giving your isk to the trust party, to which he will then either give to the seller or to you in case the seller doesnt give you the ship.
Personally the only corp of good-reputation I feel to trust (and thats mostly because I dont know the others), is BIG. What would you trust more? Some "I have a mothership, you wanna?" person, or a corporation that has consistently been doing lotteries of astronomical amounts and prizes for over 4 years? Go check the Events part of the forums...
Its never 100%, but its better then nothing at all.
...who of course promptly went bat****, flipped out and killed some people. |
Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
A trusted third party to hold the ISK is always a good Idea.
I also offer this service.
Haha, sorry old pal, but that's bold coming from the man who, at one point, was ransoming UNITY for 30 billions.
But still, nice attempt! I'd almost still fall for it....
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Sugar Eye
Shooting Dudes
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Posted - 2007.04.05 14:13:00 -
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Can't you sell a mothership via contract in a station?
If not, i would also offer my service as third party person.
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TheHumanity
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Posted - 2007.04.05 14:15:00 -
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Buy a character, flying a mothership.
Character sales are completely GM protected.
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Chronus26
Gallente Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.05 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sugar Eye Can't you sell a mothership via contract in a station?
If not, i would also offer my service as third party person.
Motherships are unable to dock. -----
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Amarria Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.05 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alski Edited by: Alski on 05/04/2007 10:34:37 Absoluteley no assuarance whatsoever
the possability of getting scammed is part of the game, your only option is seek out a trusted corp with a reputation of handleing this sort of stuff, such as NAGA (if they are still around)
Pft we're around and stronger than ever :) -
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Matalino
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.05 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: TheHumanity Buy a character, flying a mothership.
Character sales are completely GM protected.
Character sales are protected, but that only covers SP not the items they own. There would be no gaurentee that he would still be flying a mothership at the time of the transfer.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.04.05 14:51:00 -
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I have this crazy idea in my head that CCP maybe, just MAYBE might have wanted this to be intentional, as they probably want you to build your own supercapital yourself (or, in other words, own one only if you are capable of manufacturing it "in-house").
By the way, if your sarcasm detector didn't go off yet, it's broken. _ MySkills | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.04.05 15:46:00 -
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Considering that several motherships have been given away in events, I doubt that CCP intended that they should never change hands. ------ Top speed calculation spreadsheet - updated for the recent speed nerf Army of doom headcount: 26,045 |
Athena Attom
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Posted - 2007.04.05 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba afaik the safest way is to have both parties agree upon a trusted 3rd party which will hold the ship and isk until the trade is completed.
My services as acting as a trusted 3rd party is still available for any interested parties.
In cases where the MS is a Nyx or Aeon I will be able to fly it to ensure that either party do not run off with both ship and money, in cases where the MS is of other race I will only be able to hold the money.
Feel free to drop me a mail or convo in-game if you are interested.
You are certainly one of the very very few people that I would trust with either the isk or the ship.
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2007.04.05 16:18:00 -
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The best thing to do would be to buy from a large corporation that manufactures and sells things all the time. Most large corporations like that wouldnt destroy their whole reputation for a mothership which is probably worth nothing compared to everything else they have.
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Small Blue
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Posted - 2007.04.05 16:36:00 -
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Most of these corps are involved in the global war and it very risky to produce supercapships atm
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Esurnir
Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 17:13:00 -
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You can thrust blindly chribba on that issue, he is perhaps the man the most loved by the community (for eve-files eve-search and all the lovely stuff he give us).
Veronne has no history of scamming whatsoever, even for an ex pirate (now mercenary) he has a very high reputation and a char that is there since the beginning of eve. I think he value his own reputation valuable (even coldly speaking, reputation means people will thrust you, which means business), that he will not risk to make it sunk bellow the ground just for a single ship. ----
Quote: Thou shall pew pew.
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TheHumanity
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Posted - 2007.04.07 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: TheHumanity Buy a character, flying a mothership.
Character sales are completely GM protected.
Character sales are protected, but that only covers SP not the items they own. There would be no gaurentee that he would still be flying a mothership at the time of the transfer.
According to Kieron
Quote: 17. Scamming ETCÆs and character sales are not allowed, please petition if you suspect you have been scammed. When buying and selling characters, please note that by confirming the trade via EVEmail, you ensure that the facts of the matter are documented, should any later disputes arise that require GM attention.
There is nothing to support your statement there. Is this a "My brother's mate's daughter's boyfriend said" piece of information, or can you provide a link to a CCP statement?
Until a GM states otherwise, if the EVEmail confirmation says "Character is in a nyx" and the character shows up without one, that's a scam.
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