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Sarus Gailen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.02 06:28:59 -
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With the fact that Alpha clones can use the Gnosis because of its minimal skill requirement, it wouldn't exactly hurt to give Alpha clones access to battlecruisers.
Now, I know what people may say. Why would an Alpha clone be suggesting this? He is just a moocher!
Please, just hear me out.
I am not saying this to give Alpha clones more free stuff, but to give them more options to be more involved in the universe of New Eden. With how cruisers are already being fitted, it would be roughly similar with Battlecruisers since they are medium-sized warships and use the same kind of weapons cruisers do aside from the 'Tech 3' battlecruisers that can use battleship turrets..
Yeah I know, we're calling them wrong, but the name stuck.
But here is a thing, those 'Tech 3s' as we all call them, are a class of their own. They are their own beast.
What I would like to suggest is to give Alpha Clones access to battlecruisers EXCEPT for those ones that are able to use the big battleship guns. That way, the battlecruisers can still act like cruisers without overpowering the Alpha clones and possibly causing a huge imbalance between Alpha and Omegas. The reason why I would like to suggest this is because it all comes down to the cost of the ships. A Navy Issue cruiser costs nearly just as much as regular battlecruiser, and a Navy Issue battlecruiser costs about twice as much.
But that kind of ISK can still be earned as an Alpha.
Of course, keep it to that just limit. Personally, I would not give an Alpha a battlesip, that would be kind of going too far.
This is of course just an idea because, as an Alpha player myself, I am flying a Gnosis... despite how ugly it looks.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2016.12.02 09:14:54 -
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They're not Tech 3's, they are Tier 3's. Tech 3's are either Strategic Cruisers or Tactical Destroyers. Also, this would require a lot more work than you seem to think; CCP restricts ships and modules by limiting what skills Alphas have access to. So, giving them access to either the Harbinger or Prophecy would give the same access to the Oracle, for instance.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.02 10:21:54 -
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Sarus Gailen wrote:With the fact that Alpha clones can use the Gnosis because of its minimal skill requirement, it wouldn't exactly hurt to give Alpha clones access to battlecruisers.
tornadoes, taloses , yes it would ok i read the rest of it. nvm.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.02 10:51:15 -
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Sarus Gailen wrote:...But that kind of ISK can still be earned as an Alpha.
So you are saying you can make enough isk to fly a ship that costs around 100 million isk and let it get blown up?
I have just the idea for you, earn the 100 million approximately 11 times and buy a plex. Now you know how to become an omega and fly and train whatever you like.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.12.02 10:53:35 -
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Sarus Gailen wrote:With the fact that Alpha clones can use the Gnosis because of its minimal skill requirement, it wouldn't exactly hurt to give Alpha clones access to battlecruisers.
Now, I know what people may say. Why would an Alpha clone be suggesting this? He is just a moocher!
Please, just hear me out.
I am not saying this to give Alpha clones more free stuff, but to give them more options to be more involved in the universe of New Eden. With how cruisers are already being fitted, it would be roughly similar with Battlecruisers since they are medium-sized warships and use the same kind of weapons cruisers do aside from the 'Tech 3' battlecruisers that can use battleship turrets..
Yeah I know, we're calling them wrong, but the name stuck.
But here is a thing, those 'Tech 3s' as we all call them, are a class of their own. They are their own beast.
What I would like to suggest is to give Alpha Clones access to battlecruisers EXCEPT for those ones that are able to use the big battleship guns. That way, the battlecruisers can still act like cruisers without overpowering the Alpha clones and possibly causing a huge imbalance between Alpha and Omegas. The reason why I would like to suggest this is because it all comes down to the cost of the ships. A Navy Issue cruiser costs nearly just as much as regular battlecruiser, and a Navy Issue battlecruiser costs about twice as much.
But that kind of ISK can still be earned as an Alpha.
Of course, keep it to that just limit. Personally, I would not give an Alpha a battlesip, that would be kind of going too far.
This is of course just an idea because, as an Alpha player myself, I am flying a Gnosis... despite how ugly it looks.
You know CCP can-¦t pay severs with isk.
Cruiser is high enough!
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2016.12.02 11:57:41 -
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Cruisers give alphas a lot of options for sampling the game. Logi, e-war, combat, attack. Bc's have one job, that you can already get a taster of with cruisers. You ARE just asking for more free stuff.
Alphas could use more sp in certain things, but never bc's.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1938
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Posted - 2016.12.02 13:43:55 -
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If one likes the game and wants more beyond Alpha then one should sub the game
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
584
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:40:19 -
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The Gnosis is 1 ship that all 4 races can fly and CCP doesn't need to fiddle anything to make it work. Gnosis also has the advantage that CCP has complete control over the supply. It's a "limited edition" ship so we have no right to expect there will ever be any more added to the game but, if the ship is working out well, CCP can maintain supply at whatever level they choose.
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Sarus Gailen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:20:32 -
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I'm not offended or angry that this got negative comments, I was of course expecting that. This is just simply an idea.
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Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:06:44 -
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Sarus Gailen wrote:I'm not offended or angry that this got negative comments, I was of course expecting that. This is just simply an idea.
your idea is WRONG!!! you clearly don't understand how powerful a BC |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3341
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:09:41 -
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you want to be more involved then pay up to help keep the servers running and updates coming
and when did tech 3 stick in place of tier 3? did i miss a memo
also i don't think you understand that a cruiser and a BC are not the same thing... they do not fly the same and they do not fill the same roles in a fleet
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:15:11 -
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Sarus Gailen wrote:With the fact that Alpha clones can use the Gnosis because of its minimal skill requirement, it wouldn't exactly hurt to give Alpha clones access to battlecruisers.
Now, I know what people may say. Why would an Alpha clone be suggesting this? He is just a moocher!
Please, just hear me out.
I am not saying this to give Alpha clones more free stuff, but to give them more options to be more involved in the universe of New Eden. With how cruisers are already being fitted, it would be roughly similar with Battlecruisers since they are medium-sized warships and use the same kind of weapons cruisers do aside from the 'Tech 3' battlecruisers that can use battleship turrets..
Yeah I know, we're calling them wrong, but the name stuck.
But here is a thing, those 'Tech 3s' as we all call them, are a class of their own. They are their own beast.
What I would like to suggest is to give Alpha Clones access to battlecruisers EXCEPT for those ones that are able to use the big battleship guns. That way, the battlecruisers can still act like cruisers without overpowering the Alpha clones and possibly causing a huge imbalance between Alpha and Omegas. The reason why I would like to suggest this is because it all comes down to the cost of the ships. A Navy Issue cruiser costs nearly just as much as regular battlecruiser, and a Navy Issue battlecruiser costs about twice as much.
But that kind of ISK can still be earned as an Alpha.
Of course, keep it to that just limit. Personally, I would not give an Alpha a battlesip, that would be kind of going too far.
This is of course just an idea because, as an Alpha player myself, I am flying a Gnosis... despite how ugly it looks.
Actually it would hurt to give Aplha's access to normal BC's.
BC's ARE COOL, therefore a pilot will be more willing to pay to access it.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:41:54 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Cruisers give alphas a lot of options for sampling the game. Logi, e-war, combat, attack. Bc's have one job, that you can already get a taster of with cruisers. You ARE just asking for more free stuff.
This. And really, this is no different than "Just one more nerf and it will be balanced." There will always be another, "Just one more free thing," so there isn't much sense on caving on any of it at the moment.
The system is intended to entice you to pay. It is the little pink sample spoon at the ice cream shop. Increasing the scope of the free sample contributes nothing to that goal. If cruisers haven't "sold" you on paying for the game, BCs (which are mostly just a bigger, slower combat cruiser) aren't going to do it, either.
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Deckel
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.02 20:49:18 -
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A very strong reason not to give access to Battlecruisers is the Oracle, Naga, Talos, and Tornado. Alphas are not getting Large guns, so why give access to a worthless ship that the player will have no use for. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn End of Life
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Posted - 2016.12.17 03:27:57 -
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i would agree to alphas using bc so long as large guns are not allowed
therefore they can use tier 1 / tier 2 bc as they are designed but not tier 3 bc
that way they can run missions / rat in null but not be able to use bc to suicide gank using talos blasters or tornado's insta blaps
ccp could make the bc skill limited
level 1. tier 1 bc level 2. tier 2 bc
level 3 tier 3 bc (not available to alphas)
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.17 11:33:25 -
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David Grogan wrote:i would agree to alphas using bc so long as large guns are not allowed
therefore they can use tier 1 / tier 2 bc as they are designed but not tier 3 bc
that way they can run missions / rat in null but not be able to use bc to suicide gank using talos blasters or tornado's insta blaps
ccp could make the bc skill limited
level 1. tier 1 bc level 2. tier 2 bc
level 3 tier 3 bc (not available to alphas)
There are no tiers anymore.
And why do you need a battlecruiser to rat? Is it 2009? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3417
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Posted - 2016.12.17 12:14:02 -
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You want more pay for it
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2992
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Posted - 2016.12.19 17:07:14 -
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Give battlecruisers to beta clones.
The Gnosis isn't quite as powerful as it is beautiful. Limited racial weapon layouts reduce the power of an alpha pilot in a Gnosis. This is especially strong with the Caldari and Minmatar who cannot put in a proper flight of drones to balance out its meager set of weapons. In the hands of a trained Omega clone, the Gnosis is a bit stronger than other combat battlecruisers. But in the hands of an alpha, the racial combat battlecruisers would be stronger. (The exception is probably the Prophecy, which has an even weaker weapons layout for an alpha clone, though it has a strong defensive bonus.)
The tier 3 battlecruisers are today referred to as Attack Battlecruisers. The Attack type ships are those that focus on offense, leaving defense a mere afterthought. Other attack ships include the "tier 1" destroyers, frigates like the Kestrel, cruisers like the Omen, battleships like the Typhoon, and some of the navy ships. Furthermore, giving attack battlecruisers to alpha clones wouldn't be that bad. They'd have to fit them with medium turrets, and those ships don't even have the powergrid for a full rack of those things.
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3023
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Posted - 2016.12.19 17:11:37 -
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David Grogan wrote:i would agree to alphas using bc so long as large guns are not allowed
therefore they can use tier 1 / tier 2 bc as they are designed but not tier 3 bc
that way they can run missions / rat in null but not be able to use bc to suicide gank using talos blasters or tornado's insta blaps
ccp could make the bc skill limited
level 1. tier 1 bc level 2. tier 2 bc
level 3 tier 3 bc (not available to alphas)
Sure, let's undo tiericide...
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Layse Sorsae
IngSoc Inner party Corporation
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Posted - 2017.02.01 14:56:21 -
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I just returned to Eve and I agree that if you want everything then you should sub and support the game. But ccp ought to be a little more realistic than to call Eve F2p, it's really not. F2loggin is more accurate. I still have a bunch of stuff, stealth bombers/BC's/BB's and T2 gear but can't use any of it, so sub it is!
But at least people can play indefinitely now and grind out enough isk to buy a plex, that's cool. |
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
13
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Posted - 2017.02.02 13:11:05 -
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Unless you're hauling in mountains of isk, EvE is a game that is pretty firmly pay to play. Alpha characters aren't second class citizens struggling to gain rights, you're playing a trial version and I wouldn't expect access to more than alpha's already have access to. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2470
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Posted - 2017.02.02 13:56:01 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Give battlecruisers to beta clones.
The Gnosis isn't quite as powerful as it is beautiful. Limited racial weapon layouts reduce the power of an alpha pilot in a Gnosis. This is especially strong with the Caldari and Minmatar who cannot put in a proper flight of drones to balance out its meager set of weapons. In the hands of a trained Omega clone, the Gnosis is a bit stronger than other combat battlecruisers. But in the hands of an alpha, the racial combat battlecruisers would be stronger. (The exception is probably the Prophecy, which has an even weaker weapons layout for an alpha clone, though it has a strong defensive bonus.)
The tier 3 battlecruisers are today referred to as Attack Battlecruisers. The Attack type ships are those that focus on offense, leaving defense a mere afterthought. Other attack ships include the "tier 1" destroyers, frigates like the Kestrel, cruisers like the Thorax, battleships like the Apocalypse, and some of the navy ships. Furthermore, giving attack battlecruisers to alpha clones wouldn't be that bad. They'd have to fit them with medium turrets, and those ships don't even have the powergrid for a full rack of those things.
I think you (and others are missing THE POINT of ALL the alpha threads. CCP gives a free handout. Now those getting the free handout incrementally want just a little bit more here....... here...... here..... oh and um..... here. The free football just gets slowly pushed toward the goal until that tipping point where no one pays for the game. There are several things at play here. It's not about game mechanics. It's about me. Me and my wallet.
Eventually alphas will be given enough free extra stuff as to where they will be able to inflict their will on the game I'm paying for. Guess what. When that happens - Serendipity isn't going to pay for a game that free players can ruin / detract from. Once enough Serendipity style paying players stop paying - how do the servers get updated??
Another factor is that as free gets to be baby stepped to better and better at some point the free alpha account does enough that players will swap from paying to playing for free simply because free offers enough that paying no longer makes sense.
A final factor to consider. The world is changing. A lot of folks such as myself are just plain getting tired of paying the way for others who ride for free. I play Eve for enjoyment and to get away from all of that. If I'm paying a subscription that allows most others to play the same game on free accounts - I'm no longer enjoying the game and I'm going to stop paying for it.
So, let's stop looking at the merits of this little advancement or that little enhancement. Look at the big picture. As CCP takes these little steps - where does the journey end? CCP could do a better marketing job up front. Change 'free to play' (which isn't remotely true with respect to MOST of the game) to 'unlimited LENGTH of play time on FREE TRIAL account' and back that up with 'take as long as you like to decide if Eve is right for you' (which would be true and not mislead alpha accounts into thinking they have any say in how the game is changed over time).
Also, give alphas 'read only' access to the forums. Just like you need alliance credentials to post in COAD, you should have 'I pay for the game' credentials to post on the forums (at least this one). |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3025
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Posted - 2017.02.02 16:58:03 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I think you (and others are missing THE POINT of ALL the alpha threads. CCP gives a free handout. Now those getting the free handout incrementally want just a little bit more here....... here...... here..... oh and um..... here. The free football just gets slowly pushed toward the goal until that tipping point where no one pays for the game. There are several things at play here. It's not about game mechanics. It's about me. Me and my wallet. Not even slightly true, for me at least. Probably you're right about several of the others but not all of them.
It's not about me wanting to pay less for the game, it's about me wanting to share more in the experience. I have some money, but it's not enough to justify paying for this game. For years I was paying it anyway, but I finally unsubscribed because I simply cannot afford it anymore. I'm not asking for expansions to alpha clones, I'm only asking for beta clones. I'm asking for ways to pay more than nothing, but all you hear is that I want to pay less than the full amount. Well I'm not paying the full amount. If I could afford it, I would be.
My aim is to suggest if CCP adds beta clones, they can get extra funds from a portion of the potential playerbase who cannot afford the full subscription. I don't know how significant this demographic is, but I know I am one of them. If anything, I would have reduced what's available to alpha clones. I feel they should not be able to fly the Gnosis, and there's other things they shouldn't get for free. But CCP disagrees with me and believes they should have all that.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
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Posted - 2017.02.02 17:04:54 -
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Danika Princip wrote:David Grogan wrote:i would agree to alphas using bc so long as large guns are not allowed
therefore they can use tier 1 / tier 2 bc as they are designed but not tier 3 bc
that way they can run missions / rat in null but not be able to use bc to suicide gank using talos blasters or tornado's insta blaps
ccp could make the bc skill limited
level 1. tier 1 bc level 2. tier 2 bc
level 3 tier 3 bc (not available to alphas) There are no tiers anymore. And why do you need a battlecruiser to rat? Is it 2009? Last time i played was 2009. First thing I thought when I came back was where's the BC.
We should just bring back tiers :) Seriously i liked tiers better I'm not liking how all the races have the exact same ship roles. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
89
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Posted - 2017.02.02 17:11:20 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:I think you (and others are missing THE POINT of ALL the alpha threads. CCP gives a free handout. Now those getting the free handout incrementally want just a little bit more here....... here...... here..... oh and um..... here. The free football just gets slowly pushed toward the goal until that tipping point where no one pays for the game. There are several things at play here. It's not about game mechanics. It's about me. Me and my wallet. Not even slightly true, for me at least. Probably you're right about several of the others but not all of them. It's not about me wanting to pay less for the game, it's about me wanting to share more in the experience. I have some money, but it's not enough to justify paying for this game. For years I was paying it anyway, but I finally unsubscribed because I simply cannot afford it anymore. I'm not asking for expansions to alpha clones, I'm only asking for beta clones. I'm asking for ways to pay more than nothing, but all you hear is that I want to pay less than the full amount. Well I'm not paying the full amount. If I could afford it, I would be. My aim is to suggest if CCP adds beta clones, they can get extra funds from a portion of the potential playerbase who cannot afford the full subscription. I don't know how significant this demographic is, but I know I am one of them. If anything, I would have reduced what's available to alpha clones. I feel they should not be able to fly the Gnosis, and there's other things they shouldn't get for free. But CCP disagrees with me and believes they should have all that.
Gnosis is the only decent alpha ship tho for making any decent money. Shame it's so ugly. It just needs a redesign visually. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
723
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Posted - 2017.02.02 17:42:02 -
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I'd be okay with this. People like to keep saying Alpha's can already fly cruisers, pay or go home, or the like. Problem with that stance is they can only just sorta crowbar a workable fit on them with their restricted skills for both the hull itself and fittings/weapons. Yes.... it works, but it leaves things in the awkward place of having pretty much all the skills required to fly a BC(even in their handicapped form), but not being able to because....? If crowbarred fits are okay with cruisers, they should be fine for BC's as well. Or otherwise made to be a little less crowbarred, a little more able to compete. It's more sensible to draw that line where there is a skill set jump, not right through the middle of an skill set group IMO.
Yes, I'm aware that you can do most null sec ratting in a VNI. Yes, I'm aware they can fit faction. Yes I'm aware of alpha canes.
Also the Gnosis is fine.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3705
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Posted - 2017.02.03 01:32:33 -
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-1 alphas don't need more
-100000 because you think T3 battle cruisers stands for tech 3 and not tier 3
EDIT:
i can already see it now
alphas can fly BCs so Alphas should be able to use links
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mkint
1428
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Posted - 2017.02.03 02:59:37 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:-1 alphas don't need more
-100000 because you think T3 battle cruisers stands for tech 3 and not tier 3
EDIT:
i can already see it now
alphas can fly BCs so Alphas should be able to use links If alphas could use links they should get to fly strategic cruisers and command ships. ;)
@ everyone who thinks BCs need to be unlocked for alphas... no. they don't. People don't sub to a game because of the imaginary swords or spaceships. At least not in enough numbers to matter. They sub to a game because the experience is fulfilling. It's like with the sample spoons mentioned earlier... if an ice cream shop already gave you a sample of all 100 different flavors just for walking in the door, it wouldn't enhance the experience in any way. In the ice cream shop scenario, allowing more than 1 or 2 samples wouldn't enhance the experience (I know damned well what cookies and cream tastes like, I don't need a sample of it, and I don't need a sample of pistachio broccoli, I'm not going to buy it.)
The only part of the Alpha experience that matters is getting players involved with a group. The ships don't matter, they aren't the core experience. The specific activities don't matter. Just getting involved with people. The game doesn't begin with the tutorials, it begins when you join a corp, and the old trial system didn't give you the chance to do that in a meaningful way. If you want to give players free samples, come up with ideas for players to sample corps without being stuck with a bad one.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3706
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:16:33 -
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mkint wrote: The only part of the Alpha experience that matters is getting players involved with a group. The ships don't matter, they aren't the core experience. The specific activities don't matter. Just getting involved with people. The game doesn't begin with the tutorials, it begins when you join a corp, and the old trial system didn't give you the chance to do that in a meaningful way. If you want to give players free samples, come up with ideas for players to sample corps without being stuck with a bad one.
this is one of the main reason i don't like the racial lock it makes things extremely taxing on CEOs and directors to handle incorporating alphas and a lot of the time you need to bend over backwards in fleet comps to make them work. Aside from the extra work this takes in fleet crafting and logistics I have noticed it creating a rather negative divide between omages and alphas in the smaller groups i'm involved with (larger ones seem to be immune to this for the most part or its just slower to show idk atm). What is happening is the omegas feel impeded anytime they are having to fleet up in a way that requites things like split logi or begin seeing alphas as just through away mobs when you put them out w/o intending to rep them. (these are two main strategies i have seen implemented so far the sacrificial one has created a less hostile atmosphere).
another lock that causes issue is the E-war lock it used to be that E-war was a powerful way for newbros to make an impact now however they are locked into one form of E-war some far less useful than others with alpha skills
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Koebmand
Silverflames
61
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Posted - 2017.02.03 05:12:11 -
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Combat BattleCruiser (CBC) and Attack BattleCruiser (ABC, old Tier 3) is the new names.
Doesn't matter if Alphas can sit in Tornado and Talos, they can't fit weapons.
Of course,as soon as they can sit in them, they need the weapons too. gimme gimme gimme snowball is already mentioned. |
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